What operating system do you use?

Originally Posted by Tonchiki

Mac OS is such a goddamn mess to work with.

Only for people who don't care to learn their way around it. Took me an hour or two at the most, and before then I'd been using Windows and only Windows all my life.

OSX is filled with so many things that aggravate me, such as...the fact that it's a mess when working with multiple programs (I do not appreciate having multiple windows spread all over my workspace, especially when each toolbar is its own free-floating window. It drives me INSANE), and other such things. I'd much prefer to use Windows for just about anything.

Believe it or not, this is actually a non-issue in OS X. Not only can you minimize apps like in Windows, you can also just hide them altogether with one quick keystroke. Plus, you can also activate Spaces if you like to organize your windows further. Then there's Exposé, which allows you to see all your open windows and arrange them however you like within said spaces.

It's true that OS X handles windows differently than Windows, but that's what these features are for.

Originally Posted by AadmM

Believe it or not, this is actually a non-issue in OS X. Not only can you minimize apps like in Windows, you can also just hide them altogether with one quick keystroke. Plus, you can also activate Spaces if you like to organize your windows further. Then there's Exposé, which allows you to see all your open windows and arrange them however you like within said spaces.

It's true that OS X handles windows differently than Windows, but that's what these features are for.

I wasn't complaining about minimizing windows, I was complaining about how you can't maximize them (unless you do it yourself by dragging them which is completely needless), and when you're in applications, the windows themselves inside the applications are a mess.

The toolbars are all free-floating, which drives me up a wall, and the applications usually don't have any sort of background, so if you don't maximize the project window you're working on (which is usually impossible even manually), you see gaps that reveal your desktop or other windows below it, which makes the whole thing feel cluttered. I hate it.

I can't stand the way OSX handles windows. It drives me insane, because the whole thing feels like a mess strewn about the screen. I like having whatever window I'm working on maximized as well, so really, I just hate using OSX.

I use Vista. I don't hate it, im not in love with it. My next computor will be a mac.

you can also just hide them altogether with one quick keystroke.

Why would you want to do that?

Why would you want to do that?

...To quickly get windows out of the way without having to minimize them?

Originally Posted by AadmM

...To quickly get windows out of the way without having to minimize them?

But you have no way to access them via the GUI?

Why not, you know, minimize them?

But you have no way to access them via the GUI?

Why not, you know, minimize them?

Because you can re-open windows the same way whether you hide or minimize them?

For the record, I don't use the hide command as a replacement for minimizing. I realize the two have different purposes, that's my whole point. I only hide applications when I have several windows open that I'm not using because it's much quicker than clicking the minimize button on each individual window.

cmd+click on the maximise button.

Mac OS X. My dad won't get a Windows. And I think Macs are better.

ITT, people who don't know what f9 does on macs...

sadly compiz-fusion is the only reason I know...

Today I had a blast when my teacher was trying to repair the Mac I was using - the MIDI keyboard didn't work.

Originally Posted by AadmM

Only for people who don't care to learn their way around it. Took me an hour or two at the most, and before then I'd been using Windows and only Windows all my life.

I'm still not used to OS X after six hours... I really want to learn it, but...

Originally Posted by AadmM

Believe it or not, this is actually a non-issue in OS X. Not only can you minimize apps like in Windows

Yeah, with the X button which doesn't actually shut down programs.

Originally Posted by AadmM

you can also just hide them altogether with one quick keystroke.

COOL NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEF
also Winkey+D

Originally Posted by AadmM

Plus, you can also activate Spaces if you like to organize your windows further.

I think there's like thirty, fourty third-party solutions for that~

Originally Posted by AadmM

Then there's Exposé, which allows you to see all your open windows and arrange them however you like within said spaces.

I just have to click the button here...

Originally Posted by Shadow_Aura_64

And I think Macs are better.

Several people agree with you. Now, for the interesting part, which these before said several people can't seem to answer adequately - Why?

Originally Posted by fratey

Yeah, with the X button which doesn't actually shut down programs.

Oh damn, that's another one I hate.
Why don't programs close when you close them?
If I close an open program, I don't want it to hang open anyway. What is the use of that?

source of computer problem = defective DVD drive
god i'm happy now, I could explode

that's great fratey.

IMO double clicking the top of a window should maximize/unmaximize a window, - should shade, cmd-clicking - should minimize and x should close. X= DEATH... come on...

Originally Posted by Tonchiki

Oh damn, that's another one I hate.
Why don't programs close when you close them?
If I close an open program, I don't want it to hang open anyway. What is the use of that?

Now your just kinda *****ing man. You said it yourself, OS X handles windows differently and this is how its been since the olden days. And anyway, apple key + q terminates the application and windows are closed as well, so it really isn't that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by Dark Wyrm

Now your just kinda *****ing man. You said it yourself, OS X handles windows differently and this is how its been since the olden days. And anyway, apple key + q terminates the application and windows are closed as well, so it really isn't that big of a deal.

I like shutting down applications with one mouse click instead of cmd+click+click again...

I'm still not used to OS X after six hours... I really want to learn it, but...

Sure.

Yeah, with the X button which doesn't actually shut down programs.

'Cuz everything absolutely must work exactly like Windows, amirite?

also Winkey+D

Minimizes all windows, doesn't get rid of them on an individual basis.

I think there's like thirty, fourty third-party solutions for that~

Great. Get back to me when that kind of functionality comes standard in Windows~

Now, for the interesting part, which these before said several people can't seem to answer adequately - Why?

I don't know about him, but I've found that I can work far more efficiently on a Mac than on any Windows PC I've ever used, and that goes beyond the functionality of the OS--it's also got a lot to do with how neat and tidy iMacs are. Got mine sitting on a tiny little writing desk, and I've got everything I need within easy reach--my sketchbooks, some art supplies, my tablet, and even a few remotes. And I still have room to spare.

Most importantly though, I simply enjoy using it so much more than any computer I've owned previously.

Originally Posted by AadmM

'Cuz everything absolutely must work exactly like Windows, amirite?

What's the use of two minimize buttons?

Originally Posted by AadmM

Minimizes all windows, doesn't get rid of them on an individual basis.

What? It minimizes all windows just fine, takes them up just as I want them.

Originally Posted by AadmM

Great. Get back to me when that kind of functionality comes standard in Windows~

Get back to me when there's cut and paste by default in OS X~
which one is most basic and needed in everyday usage?

Originally Posted by AadmM

I don't know about him, but I've found that I can work far more efficiently on a Mac than on any Windows PC I've ever used

Yeah, personal taste.

Originally Posted by AadmM

and that goes beyond the functionality of the OS--it's also got a lot to do with how neat and tidy iMacs are.

I got even less cables on my desktop than the average iMac.

Originally Posted by AadmM

Got mine sitting on a tiny little writing desk

Got my 24" monitor with better contrast than the iMac monitor sitting on a medium-large glass desk~

Originally Posted by AadmM

and I've got everything I need within easy reach--my sketchbooks, some art supplies, my tablet, and even a few remotes.

Keyboard, mouse, and still almost ~11 square feet left.
In fact, I just might buy an Apple keyboard - that's their only non-overpriced product. ;D

Originally Posted by AadmM

Most importantly though, I simply enjoy using it so much more than any computer I've owned previously.

Yeah, I feel just the same about my PC I just got working today, with an Antec P180 Mini case (micro-atx, it's quite small) with an Core i5 processor (runs on lower voltage than the processor in the Mac Pro - but yeah, performs at least as well), 4gb of DDR3 RAM at 1600mhz, ridiculously good cooling despite being stock (I've had it done advanced 3D stuff for 3 hours now and it still sprays out air that's colder than the surroundings), and a beautiful, beautiful noise level that I have to turn off the music and concentrate really hard to hear - and that's due to the 3.5 year old graphics card that I'm throwing away next week in replacement for the HD5850 (Macs don't even come close to the performance of that card, even if you'd spend $12000 on a top-of-the-line Mac Pro) - and the best part; this PC is budget!
The monitor, although could be looking nicer (I bought it just as 24" monitors became mainstream), eats less power than any Apple monitor on the market (like, when I says less, I mean 1/4 to 1/10 of the power usage), has just as wide of a color gamut, doesn't dither (unlike some Mac monitors), and only has two wires, which I can disguise perfectly.

I call it close to perfection. Lower power usage, much higher performance, just as silent, plenty faster, and brilliant looks.

Without fruits.

edit: 2 hours of 3D and the CPU is 25c?! I love this!

Sorry to cut you two off!
I did buy Snow Leopard Server (and boy am I excited),
But things critical to me like Microsoft Office and my printer drivers haven't been updated, along with the way my server connects and runs.
And so I wait for updates before I trash my system.
Augh. Agony.

I've been using Windows XP for years, but at this point I'd almost rather be using Mac-anything.