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Old 07-17-2008, 05:14 PM
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YouTube and it's stupid censorship

YouTube sucks now. Every video that even slightly violates copywright is being deleted. 3 out of every 4 videos I try to watch are not available. Foo. So, what do you know anything about it? Like, why they are all being deleted, how long it is going to last, ect.? Also, give your opinions on this viral genocide.

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Old 07-17-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

I believe that a while back, Youtube was bought by Google, and Google went on the rampage.

That, and as well as makers of movies/anime aren't able to garner any profit off of it, so anything that violates the copyright without permission will be deleted on sight.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:33 PM
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Isn't it something like, every time you watch something on Youtube and not on TV the company producing it loses 30 cents of royalty profit?

Upon discovering this, I streamed Westlife music videos for ten hours straight, before going to have a long lie down.

(I mean, that was my chance! To bankrupt that... monster!)
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:33 PM
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It's just like with pirating and downloading music and shows/movies. Having these types of things on there means that the makers of the product won't be making any money. I don't mind too much. I have other means of getting these. I mainly use YouTube for the virals, glitch videos, etc.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:38 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

The stupid thing is the apparent privileges given to Youtube partners, who are allowed to 'bend the rules'. I can understand that downright pirating of movies and series isn't allowed but to delete simple music videos and so called "offending videos" is over the top. Moreover while "HOT CHINESE BABE STRIPS IT ALL OFF FOR YOU AND STUFF!" is allowed because it's a partner video but a picture of the Venus of Milo is porn?
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:39 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

Well I watch stuff on Hulu, you can watch full TV shows and movies on there, but they have commercials. I can deal with commercials.

I do agree that YouTube has changed since Google took over, but eh, just because its off YouTube doesn't mean its off the internet. Check Veoh, Meta Cafe and those other sites that show movies and stuff.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:52 PM
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Check Veoh, Meta Cafe and those other sites that show movies and stuff.
Metacafe has even the most obscure of videos. If I can't find it anywhere, I can count on Metacafe to have it.
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:53 PM
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YouTube sucks now. Every video that even slightly violates copywright is being deleted. 3 out of every 4 videos I try to watch are not available. Foo. So, what do you know anything about it? Like, why they are all being deleted, how long it is going to last, ect.? Also, give your opinions on this viral genocide.

P.S. I really had no idea where to put this, so if it goes somewhere else, let me know.
This has happened for a LONG time, an obsessed friend of mine was suspended from Youtube, and he had the best kind of videos on it, and the most too....I was so mad, because we shared the same passion...
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

Fun fact: Due to the wording on the DMCA is Youtube doesn't take down videos when asked to then it can be sued for a massive amount of money.

Now, if your video is taken down you're allowed to argue that it didn't violate copyright, and if you make a good case then Youtube can put it back up.

However it's hardly fair to blame Google for the DMCA, they've opposed it every chance they get, which hasn't stopped it making everyone's life hell.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:24 PM
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Fun fact: Due to the wording on the DMCA is Youtube doesn't take down videos when asked to then it can be sued for a massive amount of money.

Now, if your video is taken down you're allowed to argue that it didn't violate copyright, and if you make a good case then Youtube can put it back up.

However it's hardly fair to blame Google for the DMCA, they've opposed it every chance they get, which hasn't stopped it making everyone's life hell.
ah yea DMCA. Forgot about that one.

Viacom had a big lawsuit beef with google/youtube. Don't know how that turned out, but word on the street was that google was developing software that would allow copywright holders to quickly scan for their own material on youtube, then request it be taken down.

My own opininon is that the old trend was to sue the individual. Well that didn't go over to well (lot's of bad PR with the music corps). So now the trend is to badger the ISP co's and the hosting sites like youtube.

My question is when will media co's get off their arses and actually deal with the fact that digital media is here to stay and that they are in desperate need of a new business model? Instead of sueing potential customers they could be...oh i dunno....actually figuring out what consumers want and trying to encorporate those demands into their marketing strategy.

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Old 07-17-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

Well, part of the problem is that people won't pay for a product if they can get it for free. It just doesn't happen. No new business model is going to be able to quelch piracy, unless they start paying you to listen to music.

That said, they do need to update their business models, but for different reasons.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:49 PM
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Well, part of the problem is that people won't pay for a product if they can get it for free. It just doesn't happen. No new business model is going to be able to quelch piracy, unless they start paying you to listen to music.

That said, they do need to update their business models, but for different reasons.
But if they don't offer an alternative to piracy by providingimediate and legal downloads, then there's often no alternative way to obtain it other than piracy. THey should look at what radiohead did.....

Considering digital media costs siginificantly less to duplicate than CD's, there's no reason to charge $1 per song. My iPod could probably hold 20,000 songs. Does steve jobs really expect me to pay $20,000 from the itunes store to fill up my ipod?

/still ranting

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also, there is usually less risk and better quality that comes with a legal download than a pirated version. Now if companies would only realize that people don't want to wait 6 months for the DVD version of a movie/tv show, then they could be one step ahead of the pirates in getting the online content available quickly
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:08 PM
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Re: YouTube and it's stupid censorship

Um, I think something is just wrong with YouTube in general today. A ton of videos I tried to watch don't work anymore, and none of them violate anything. I think YouTube is just buggy today.
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:31 PM
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Um, I think something is just wrong with YouTube in general today. A ton of videos I tried to watch don't work anymore, and none of them violate anything. I think YouTube is just buggy today.
Yes, actually, I think your right. I tried going back to a few of the videos in question, and they say they are not available, but then I refresh the page and it works. o_O
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