My first Web Page

Hey everyone. I am taking a web design class with the asspiration of becoming a web designer. I had an assignment where I had to build a Web page with links to my assignments for the quarter. It is not anything entertaining, just something I had to do for class. Keep in mind that it is an introduction class so the site is not going to look fancy. Check it out though.

http://design207.gmc.cc.ga.us

Click on the name Joe Farris and feel free to explore and tell me what you think.

I find it hard to find your name on there, give us a dirrect link! Please!

I get redirected to some Microsoft site...
Im pretty sure you should put this in advertisements, It will prolly get moved.

Originally Posted by Ninboy

I find it hard to find your name on there, give us a dirrect link! Please!

As requested, the link is provided in the original message now.

Mwhaa ha ha! Now you have made my mission of stalking you much easier!

So you made it with Frontpage? Good choice. I am the Webmaster for my Dad's company's website, and I used Microsoft Word to build the site. The problem is, the site runs perfect in Internet Explorer, but looks like a jumbled mess in Firefox. I'll eventually rewrite the webpage in Frontpage, but its not that urgent becuase most of our customer base probably don't use Firefox.

Originally Posted by Mr. Fish

Mwhaa ha ha! Now you have made my mission of stalking you much easier!

So you made it with Frontpage? Good choice. I am the Webmaster for my Dad's company's website, and I used Microsoft Word to build the site. The problem is, the site runs perfect in Internet Explorer, but looks like a jumbled mess in Firefox. I'll eventually rewrite the webpage in Frontpage, but its not that urgent becuase most of our customer base probably don't use Firefox.

Actually no. I used HTML to build it. The list of names at the top actually used frontpage. After HTML, I do plan to learn to use Frontpage. My dad is staring his own business and told me that if I learn how to build web sites then he would make me the company Web Master. I am REALLY excited.

Go with HTML, use the HTML, love the HTML. If you stick to pure HTML coding, your skill is always going to be slightly better than ones that use Fontpage. I'm not saying that those who do use the program suck at web designing, quite the contrary, but Frontpage basically does everything for you. All you need to do is highlight something, copy something, input some URL, paths, actions, and so on.

Once you are familiar with HTML, go to Php and MySQL servers. That'll make you a good webmaster for years to come.

Since it's your web designing class project, what you have done so far with your site is great. Regardless of how simple it may be, it's for a class, for marks. Teachers bound to request their students to design sites that are simple and easy to look over.

The logo at the top is a little stretched/pixelated, and the border isn't quite right for the Stonewall Jackson image. I would say the pages are a little simple, but they're not bad. At least I'm not being bombarded with all sorts of contrasting colors and moving GIF images.

Originally Posted by Strong Hammer

Actually no. I used HTML to build it. The list of names at the top actually used frontpage. After HTML, I do plan to learn to use Frontpage. My dad is staring his own business and told me that if I learn how to build web sites then he would make me the company Web Master. I am REALLY excited.

Being a webmaster is somewhat overrated.

Go with HTML, use the HTML, love the HTML. If you stick to pure HTML coding, your skill is always going to be slightly better than ones that use Fontpage. I'm not saying that those who do use the program suck at web designing, quite the contrary, but Frontpage basically does everything for you. All you need to do is highlight something, copy something, input some URL, paths, actions, and so on.

Once you are familiar with HTML, go to Php and MySQL servers. That'll make you a good webmaster for years to come.

Since it's your web designing class project, what you have done so far with your site is great. Regardless of how simple it may be, it's for a class, for marks. Teachers bound to request their students to design sites that are simple and easy to look over.

A knowledge of HTML is helpful for webmasters, but not really neccesary. I believe this website is made with frontpage, actually. If you really like Web Page design, stick with LW's reccomedations. But if it's kind of a cool hobby, don't sweat the complicated stuff.

Actually, Mr. Fish, a strong knowledge of HTML is very important if you intend to expand your site and are serious about a Web business. Something like Frontpage won't cut it - you'll always need to go to the code with a WYSIWYG editor anyway, because there is no such editor that caters for everyone's style.

Once you are familiar with HTML and CSS, go to Php and MySQL servers.

Fixed.

CSS is very necessary, more necessary than any other code on the internet, other than HTML itself - and even HTML is fast becoming superceded by XML. Currently, XHTML is standard, but it's only a preparation code for XML.

CSS allows you to separate structure from visuals in a web page; nay, a web site. A perfect example of this is the css Zen Garden, which showcases what is possible visually with CSS. There are currently over 900 different designs at the css Zen Garden, and every one of them uses the exact same HTML code. Separating structure from layout this way is highly important, as it allows you to change your layout for a whole site with one document rather than going through every HTML file and changing the layout there. And, furthermore, CSS is much more accessible than HTML, not to mention the fact that it is much more flexible in terms of visuals. Hell, through CSS, using some tricks it's even possible to code for specific browsers by taking advantage of code that some browsers don't support (don't worry, though; CSS is very-widely supported).

But fear not, neither HTML or CSS are heard languages to learn; in fact, they are positively easy. Once you have semantically correct markup (i.e. proper HTML code structure), you can do literally anything with it through CSS. Personally, I find using some form of Notepad a far better option for marking up HTML than using a WYSIWYG editor, because the editors implement undesirable code that you would need to delete to make the HTML semantically correct.

I suggest picking up a couple of books on the subject. I recommend Sams Teach Yourself CSS in 10 Minutes, Sams Teach Yourself HTML and XHTML in 10 Minutes and The Zen of CSS Design. All three are highly useful in learning and properly implementing HTML and CSS.



As to what I think about your page, Strong Hammer, to me it looks like HTML code that has rendered without CSS, though I doubt you used all the markup in the HTML that makes your life easier with CSS. In other words, it looks like a half-finished job, and I would assume it was if I didn't know it was a finished project.

As for my thoughts on Frontpage, I think it's not a very good WYSIWYG Editor to use. I recommend Nvu or Dreamweaver, which both are much more standards-compliant than Frontpage, and therefore will create pages that render more correctly over a wide range of browsers. Of course, I really recommend Notepad, which is far more useful for the optimal CSS-based designs.

Originally Posted by e_alert

As to what I think about your page, Strong Hammer, to me it looks like HTML code that has rendered without CSS, though I doubt you used all the markup in the HTML that makes your life easier with CSS. In other words, it looks like a half-finished job, and I would assume it was if I didn't know it was a finished project.

It is an intro class. Right now I'm working on an image map. Cascading Style Sheets is the last thing we will cover this quarter, so fear not, I will get to it in about a week or two.

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1

Have fun! CSS may be somewhat a pain in the butt, but oh they are so useful. I use them here and there but not fully because I'm a lazy bum with these things.

That's pretty good for your first page. My first page was a LOT simpler than that, lol. But never, i repeat NEVER use front page. It does everything for you, screws up your code, and just sucks! Beause it's microsoft!

Only use Notepad, and not HTML. Use XHTML + CSS. Heres some math. XHTML + CSS= Yay! HTML = Hoo-rah(sarcasm)

Yay! >>> Hoo-rah

Oh, and if you ever need help with web design, just PM me.

XHTML is only a XML-preparation language in the form of HTML. In other words, it is HTML with a few extra commands. It's very easy to confuse XHTML and HTML as separate languages, but XHTML is really just the next "edition" of HTML.

Though, I do advise using the XML markup offered by XHTML, because XML will soon take over HTML as the "base" code of the internet, as soon as Web 2.0 becomes the official standard. Using the XML markup will make it far easier to convert to full XML when the time comes.

Originally Posted by Mr. Fish

Being a webmaster is somewhat overrated.

Can I re-emphasize this with a huge typeface?

Originally Posted by Mr. Fish

Being a webmaster is somewhat overrated.

Much better.

Originally Posted by F3

Can I re-emphasize this with a huge typeface?


Much better.

Ha Ha. Yeah, well I'm only a webmaster of a minor company website. I'd like to make a website that helps people classify games into categories such as RPG, or Strategy, but I'm to cheap to buy a domain. But I suppose anything gets boring after a while.

Aren't you a Webmaster of a Zelda site? I'm pretty sure I saw your name in the round table...

Yeah, I'm the webmaster over at HTLOZ.