Proportional Representation

Franchise (Sales No. Total).....................................No. of Characters
Mario (201 million).......................................... ....... 4 Characters
Pokemon (186 million).......................................... .. 4 Characters
Legend of Zelda (52 million).................................... 4 Characters
Donkey Kong (48 million)........................................ 2 Characters
Kirby (30 million).......................................... .......... 3 Characters
Wario (18.46)........................................... .............. 1 Character
Metroid (13 million).......................................... ....... 1 Character
StarFox (10.4 million).......................................... .... 3 Characters
F-Zero (5.11 million).......................................... ...... 1 Characters
Fire Emblem (3.51 million)........................................ 2 Charecters
Pikmin (3.14 million).......................................... ....... 1 Character
Punch-Out!! (3.14 million).......................................... 0 Characters
Golden Sun (2.85 million).......................................... 0 Characters
Earthbound (1.65 million).......................................... . 2 Characters
Starfy (1.46 million).......................................... ........ 0 Characters

Why are DonkeyKong, Wario, Metroid, Pikmin, Punch-Out!!, Golden Sun, F-Zero and Starfy so under-represented? And why are StarFox and Earthbound over-represented?

Couldn't Waluigi count for Wario afterall, you gave F Zero 2? Besides, what characters are you going to get from Wario? We haven't seen much from Donkey Kong in ages. What characters could we possibly get from metroid? Pikmin is a really new series. Punch out only recently released the second game after like... 15 years. Golden Sun meh? Starfy? Never heard of it.

-What characters from Wario would you use?
-Lots of people have been crying for Ridley from Metroid, but I honestly think it's a pretty stupid idea. And there's no one else really who's all that appropriate.
-Most people think Funky Kong is a stupid idea, and I think adding Dixie/Tiny would be superfluous and redundant.
-Punch-Out and Golden Sun should probably get a playable character each.
-Starfy? Come on now

Donkey Kong was going to receive Dixie Kong for Brawl, she's in the beta, and King K. Rool is crying out to be included in Brawl.

Captain Syrup and Waluigi are obvious candidates for Wario.

Metroid could have Dark Samus (look at the Dark Samus boss fights in the Prime series. She would play nothing like Samus), or Ridley, which isn't a stupid idea. If Olimar is allowed to be supersized x100, why can't Ridley's size by reduced by 20% or so? Besides, if you look at his handheld incarnations, especially in Super Metroid, he's not that much bigger than Samus. I always envisioned him as a slightly bigger Charizard.

F-Zero would be Samurai Goroh.

Punch-Out!! could have Mike Tyson and Little Mac.

Golden Sun could have Robin and Isaac.

Stafy could have Stafy.

Then all Nintendo's main franchises would be represented fairly.

EDIT: Whoops, good catch, Tal. That should be a 1.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Franchise (Sales No. Total).....................................No. of Characters
Mario (201 million).......................................... ....... 4 Characters
Pokemon (186 million).......................................... .. 4 Characters
Legend of Zelda (52 million).................................... 4 Characters
Donkey Kong (48 million)........................................ 2 Characters
Kirby (30 million).......................................... .......... 3 Characters
Wario (18.46)........................................... .............. 1 Character
Metroid (13 million).......................................... ....... 1 Character
StarFox (10.4 million).......................................... .... 3 Characters
F-Zero (5.11 million).......................................... ...... 1 Characters
Fire Emblem (3.51 million)........................................ 2 Charecters
Pikmin (3.14 million).......................................... ....... 1 Character
Punch-Out!! (3.14 million).......................................... 0 Characters
Golden Sun (2.85 million).......................................... 0 Characters
Earthbound (1.65 million).......................................... . 2 Characters
Starfy (1.46 million).......................................... ........ 0 Characters

Why are DonkeyKong, Wario, Metroid, Pikmin, Punch-Out!!, Golden Sun, F-Zero and Starfy so under-represented? And why are StarFox and Earthbound over-represented?

THIS THIS THIS is what I always argue when talking about rosters for Super Smash Brothers! It doesn't make sense for a series such as Mother to have 2 characters, while Little Mac didn't make it as a character, or for Star Fox to have so many characters.

I would personally consider Wario to be sort of part of the Mario series, although Waluigi or Captain Syrup could work as reps.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

-Lots of people have been crying for Ridley from Metroid, but I honestly think it's a pretty stupid idea.

lol, you're not a Metroid fan, then.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

We haven't seen much from Donkey Kong in ages.

The DK franchise has come up with PLENTY of games recently. Donkey Konga 1-3 for the GameCube, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat which is a combination of platformer and music game for the GameCube, DK King of Swing and Mario vs. Donkey Kong for the GBA, Donkey Kong Barrel Blast for the Wii, Donkey Kong Jungle Climber and Mario vs Donkey Kong 2 for the DS.

What characters could we possibly get from metroid?

Ridley.

Punch out only recently released the second game after like... 15 years.

Punch-Out!! released it's last game a long time ago, true, but definitely not it's "second game." Punch-Out!! for the Wii is the series' 6th installment.

Starfy? Never heard of it.

He's the little Star guy who's an Assist Trophy. No one's ever heard of him because his series is exclusive to Japan, although the DS game, Legend of Starfy 4, is going to be released in America soon.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Punch-Out!! could have Mike Tyson

LOL XD

I think SSBB have a good selection of characters.

Donkey Kong: Donkey kong and Diddy= ENOUGH
Wario:Wario= ENOUGH
Metroid:Samus/Zero suit samus=ENOUGH
Pikmin:Olimar= ENOUGH ENOUGH
Punch Out: Little mac assitant thropy= ENOUGH
Golden Sun: Issac assistant thropy= ENOUGH ENOUGH
F-ZERO:Captain Falcon=ENOUGH
Starfy: WTF! Assitant thropy ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH!

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Punch Out: Little mac assitant thropy= ENOUGH
Golden Sun: Issac assistant thropy= ENOUGH ENOUGH
Starfy: WTF! Assitant thropy ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH!

I think that the assist trophy's need to become real characters you can Brawl with, more variety is always a plus in my eyes.

For another metroid character, Dark Samus. It would be the equivalence of Wolf kind of. Just make Dark Samus stronger, heavier, being agile, and shoot phazon instead.

Or the devs could listen to the fans and common sense and make Ridley playable.

Question: Why are we only looking at playable characters here?

Look at boss fights, assist trophies, general items, etc. Nintendo did what they could to really pack almost everything in there. Some games just don't have the characters to be used as fighters. Others do.

As for Ridley: He is currently 2 bosses, so it's not really that epic that he becomes playable.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Question: Why are we only looking at playable characters here?

Look at boss fights, assist trophies, general items, etc. Nintendo did what they could to really pack almost everything in there. Some games just don't have the characters to be used as fighters. Others do.

Because that's the best kind of representation? People most certainly play the multiplayer of Super Smash Brothers than look at Trophies and Stickers or play SubSpace Emissary, Boss Battle Mode,

As for Ridley: He is currently 2 bosses, so it's not really that epic that he becomes playable.

Ah, and there's the "epic" reason for barring Ridley for being playable.

It's more epic if I get to control him and glide around and shoot laser breath at Luigi than it is to fight against him twice, maybe four times, and never see him again.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

or Ridley, which isn't a stupid idea. If Olimar is allowed to be supersized x100, why can't Ridley's size by reduced by 20% or so?

^THIS
He was already at a good size at the melee opening scene, I don't get why he still isn't in smash.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

Because that's the best kind of representation? People most certainly play the multiplayer of Super Smash Brothers than look at Trophies and Stickers or play SubSpace Emissary, Boss Battle Mode,

Yeah, but just because they play multiplayer more doesn't mean they don't play the other modes at all.

Ah, and there's the "epic" reason for barring Ridley for being playable.

It's more epic if I get to control him and glide around and shoot laser breath at Luigi than it is to fight against him twice, maybe four times, and never see him again.

By choice.

Also a side note:

Originally Posted by Qnez

I don't get why he still isn't in smash.

He is. He is a boss. Because nintendo used him as a boss, he couldn't be a playable character.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Yeah, but just because they play multiplayer more doesn't mean they don't play the other modes at all.

Uh, okay, but I'm 100% that the vast majority of Smash players play the game for it's multiplayer, and they play the multiplayer MUCH MUCH more often.

And they certainly don't buy the game for it's single player.

By choice.

It's still a much bigger service to the fans to give them the opportunity to play as him.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

Uh, okay, but I'm 100% that the vast majority of Smash players play the game for it's multiplayer, and they play the multiplayer MUCH MUCH more often.

And they certainly don't buy the game for it's single player.



It's still a much bigger service to the fans to give them the opportunity to play as him.

Do you think nintendo thinks like that?

Does it matter?

But to answer your question: of course not. If they did, then they would have foregone mediocre single-player modes in favor of making a game that wasn't so unbalanced and didn't have such a retarded game engine.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

Does it matter?

Considering they make the game... Yes.

But to answer your question: of course not. If they did, then they would have foregone mediocre single-player modes in favor of making a game that wasn't so unbalanced and didn't have such a retarded game engine.

There you go. That answers the original question. Nintendo considers what they've done to be proportional. /thread

Really Ridley?

A Mechanic Bird if you will?

Swipe
Possible Breath attack
Can Fly.

What else?

Originally Posted by Matt

Really Ridley?

A Mechanic Bird if you will?

Swipe
Possible Breath attack
Can Fly.

What else?

All Olimar does is throw Pikmin really. Having lots of original moves isn't a requirement.

Originally Posted by Lord Golbez

All Olimar does is throw Pikmin really. Having lots of original moves isn't a requirement.

Unfortunately that's true. Oh and may I add that olimar is friggin cheap.