Does anyone here play Brawl+?

brawl+ is melee on lightning speed without the fun factor

Sounds pointless. Brawl is an amazing game as is. I don't see why people care so much about a simple game as to do this.

Originally Posted by Abyss Master

The only reason why I'd get this would be for competitive purposes, because otherwise it's all the same to me whether characters are balanced or not when I'm just having fun.

And I keep on saying, it's not just for competitive reasons. That's the goal of the project, but the changes are very noticeable, and it feels like a very different, more fun game.

I couldn't care less for whatever changes there are in Brawl+ because I'm not interested in hacking my Wii, and I'm perfectly happy with Brawl as it is (except for the goddamn tripping).

GUH. You could have just said that instead of implying that Brawl+ is just Brawl with competitive stuff in it (which, it really isn't).

Originally Posted by MaidenOfLight

sounds fun! I'd love to play, but how do you get it?

Oh jeez, uh. It takes a bit of effort to get it going.

Google Brawl+, and it should take you to some Smashboards topics about modding your Wii and stuff.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Sounds pointless. Brawl is an amazing game as is. I don't see why people care so much about a simple game as to do this.

They care because they can?

And Brawl may be a good game, but do you really think that chaingrabs, tripping, and infinites = fun?

I'm not going to lie; I play Ganondorf, and I don't have fun when Yoshi gets a nearly guaranteed kill on me, or when Shiek can just hold forward and push A alot to get me to 150%. I don't have any fun when I simply cannot win against an Ice Climbers guy who knows what he's doing.

The system is different, too; the do-it-yourself combos are back, it's a different (and, IMO a better) kind of fun.

It was fairly easy to modify Brawl due to the nature of the Wii and the project. The Wii has an internal memory, and the mods are done by using the equivalent of Action Replay-ish cheat codes.

If Melee could be modded (if the GameCube had an easy to read internal memory), then there would have been a Melee+.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

GUH. You could have just said that instead of implying that Brawl+ is just Brawl with competitive stuff in it (which, it really isn't).

I started off by saying that I don't really care about what changes there are in the game. Upon your reply, I said that I have fun with Brawl as it is and that I don't need to hack it. I could have been more clear, but then again I could also have not posted in the first place.

As it stands, I'm not interested in Brawl+, and therefore there's nothing more I can talk about in here.

I think it's strange that people don't want to play it. I treat it as another smash game, and it's weird that anyone who plays competitively only a tiny bit wouldn't want to play it. *shrug*

Let's think of it this way--Super Smash Bros. Brawl comes out and people start flocking in to say how they prefer Street Fighter and Soul Calibur, and thus are not interested in Brawl. That's what I see.

I'm gonna try Brawl+ when I can. I'll probably think of it as, say, an extra game mode on Brawl. Those are always fun.

Why play Brawl+ which is kinda fun sure, when Street Fighter 4 is on the market?

I've played it, yes, and I find the mode of play as generally monotonous as Brawl if you let yourself play against people for about an hour. There are more things than removed tripping and added hitstun. Some of the characters actually have slower and faster attack speeds (read, Ivy's side-b comes out more quickly while some of Luigi's aerials aren't instantly chainable). Edgegaurding is a little easier due to the loss of the "magnetic ledge" thing, and everyone and their dog auto-cancels everything. Some of the stages are more "balanced"; Luigi's Mansion is now mansion-less, and Pokemon Stadium 2 has no transformations.

Whoever noted it being more similar to Smash 64 rather than Melee would be pretty close, given the ridiculous windows/length of hitstun given for being hit by pretty much anything.

It's meh

also, **** Sonic

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Sounds pointless. Brawl is an amazing game as is. I don't see why people care so much about a simple game as to do this.

That's a matter of opinion, same with any fandom in general.

Originally Posted by Pryde

I've played it, yes, and I find the mode of play as generally monotonous as Brawl if you let yourself play against people for about an hour. There are more things than removed tripping and added hitstun. Some of the characters actually have slower and faster attack speeds (read, Ivy's side-b comes out more quickly while some of Luigi's aerials aren't instantly chainable). Edgegaurding is a little easier due to the loss of the "magnetic ledge" thing, and everyone and their dog auto-cancels everything. Some of the stages are more "balanced"; Luigi's Mansion is now mansion-less, and Pokemon Stadium 2 has no transformations.

Whoever noted it being more similar to Smash 64 rather than Melee would be pretty close, given the ridiculous windows/length of hitstun given for being hit by pretty much anything.

It's meh

also, **** Sonic



That's a matter of opinion, same with any fandom in general.

Wait a minute. First you give it much praise and then you say that it's Meh? You seem to be contradicting yourself...

Originally Posted by TheBattler

They care because they can?

There are a lot of things we can do, that doesn't mean we do.

And Brawl may be a good game, but do you really think that chaingrabs, tripping, and infinites = fun?

Considering only those who care enough to hack the game use these, I could care less.

I'm not going to lie; I play Ganondorf, and I don't have fun when Yoshi gets a nearly guaranteed kill on me, or when Shiek can just hold forward and push A alot to get me to 150%. I don't have any fun when I simply cannot win against an Ice Climbers guy who knows what he's doing.

Get better?

The system is different, too; the do-it-yourself combos are back, it's a different (and, IMO a better) kind of fun.

Meh... Unless you are getting into the sort of competitive level where people take it more seriously than for fun, doesn't really matter IMO. You like it, have fun I spose.

It was fairly easy to modify Brawl due to the nature of the Wii and the project. The Wii has an internal memory, and the mods are done by using the equivalent of Action Replay-ish cheat codes.

I still don't see the point of hacking a game. I see a game as a finished product, not to be tampered with, unless you're just doing like a graphics boost or messing around. Something for serious play like this is kinda bleh for me.

If Melee could be modded (if the GameCube had an easy to read internal memory), then there would have been a Melee+.

I gotta say that I'm glad there isn't.

I won't be getting it because I like brawl how it is now and if my easy to break wii breaks again, I like getting a free one back.
Also, how is a no transform pokemon stadium and mansion less luigi's mansion any fun? Just play smashville or final destination (luigi's mansion ledges suck anyway, makes the final destination ledges look good:/)

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Considering only those who care enough to hack the game use these, I could care less.

Uh, not quite. There are a lot of people who get tempted to use these, or simply play to win. Instead of playing the original Brawl and making sure people don't use chaingrabs and infinites and all, why not just remove those things all together? The people who hack the games are the ones who get real pissed off when people use these stuff in competitive tourneys, as they barely take any skill.

Get better?

He CAN get better, but you gotta admit that no matter how good you are, character match-ups do matter even the littlest bit. Ganondorf is a very heavy character, so it's very easy to cheaply chain the same move over and over and over again. One of Brawl+'s intentions is to balance the game, and let it recover from the unbalanced game smash has always been.

Meh... Unless you are getting into the sort of competitive level where people take it more seriously than for fun, doesn't really matter IMO. You like it, have fun I spose.

I don't get where you're coming from. First of all, playing competitively is very fun, it's just a different kind of fun compared to playing casually. Brawl+ is made so that the player could have the former kind of fun, which is why they made things faster, made higher combo possibilities, etc.

I still don't see the point of hacking a game. I see a game as a finished product, not to be tampered with, unless you're just doing like a graphics boost or messing around. Something for serious play like this is kinda bleh for me.

Unless of course you find the game to be flawed in a competitive sense and it's easy to hack the game to make it better.

Originally Posted by man_with_thooo

Wait a minute. First you give it much praise and then you say that it's Meh? You seem to be contradicting yourself...

Wait, what? When did I give it much "praise"? Let's go back:

Originally Posted by Pryde

I've played it, yes, and I find the mode of play as generally monotonous as Brawl if you let yourself play against people for about an hour.

I actually started off by saying I found the game to be pretty boring.

There are more things than removed tripping and added hitstun. Some of the characters actually have slower and faster attack speeds (read, Ivy's side-b comes out more quickly while some of Luigi's aerials aren't instantly chainable). Edgegaurding is a little easier due to the loss of the "magnetic ledge" thing, and everyone and their dog auto-cancels everything. Some of the stages are more "balanced"; Luigi's Mansion is now mansion-less, and Pokemon Stadium 2 has no transformations.

This isn't praise. This is simply me listing features of the hack. I showed neither favor nor disapproval with a simple list.

Whoever noted it being more similar to Smash 64 rather than Melee would be pretty close, given the ridiculous windows/length of hitstun given for being hit by pretty much anything.

I never gave an indication of liking Smash 64 all that much, so I don't see how this statement could give any clue as to how much I like Brawl+.

It's meh

Yes, it's meh. To be more specific, the hack overcompensates. Cool, Brawl has no combos, but Brawl+ lets everyone pull combos outta their asses. My full opinion on the hack is held back because, first of all, it's just a hack. Second of all, the who-and-whos are still working on it, updating it, so it's not "done". It could be a little different next month. Who knows?

also, **** Sonic

:3

Originally Posted by Pryde

Wait, what? When did I give it much "praise"? Let's go back:



I actually started off by saying I found the game to be pretty boring.



This isn't praise. This is simply me listing features of the hack. I showed neither favor nor disapproval with a simple list.



I never gave an indication of liking Smash 64 all that much, so I don't see how this statement could give any clue as to how much I like Brawl+.



Yes, it's meh. To be more specific, the hack overcompensates. Cool, Brawl has no combos, but Brawl+ lets everyone pull combos outta their asses. My full opinion on the hack is held back because, first of all, it's just a hack. Second of all, the who-and-whos are still working on it, updating it, so it's not "done". It could be a little different next month. Who knows?



:3

Alright then, sorry for misunderstanding your post. Lol.

I'm playing Brawl+ offline.
It's kinda hard to get used to, although it seems Brawl+ makes my brother better.
But I'm more fond of textures hack.
It's a different experience with both Brawl+ and textures on.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

There are a lot of things we can do, that doesn't mean we do.

Considering only those who care enough to hack the game use these, I could care less.

Wow, man, you're so cool and hip.

Get better?

Broken game is broken. Sorry. But hey, people are trying to change that.

Meh... Unless you are getting into the sort of competitive level where people take it more seriously than for fun, doesn't really matter IMO. You like it, have fun I spose.

I should just stop talking to you.

I still don't see the point of hacking a game. I see a game as a finished product, not to be tampered with, unless you're just doing like a graphics boost or messing around. Something for serious play like this is kinda bleh for me.

Brawl isn't an amazing game as is, which is why some people want to change it.

And, no, it's not completely for "serious play."

Originally Posted by TheBattler

Wow, man, you're so cool and hip.

I'm just sayin, it's not hard just to be happy with what you get.

Broken game is broken. Sorry. But hey, people are trying to change that.

Or you just suck and are making excuses. Sure some characters have advantages, but so what?

I should just stop talking to you.

Why don't you? Most likely you're not willing to accept that Brawl+ isn't for everyone, and a fair number of us find it pointless. Also I enjoy wasting your time because you seem to try and refute every post that disagrees with your thought that brawl+ is so much better.

Brawl isn't an amazing game as is, which is why some people want to change it.

Gamerankings.com average score 92.86% I'd call that pretty damn amazing.

And, no, it's not completely for "serious play."

Riiiiight... Is anyone who just wants to play brawl gonna go through the trouble of hacking their wii for this so called 'better' version? No. If I have the game and I'm happily satisfied with it, as is the case, I'm not gonna go through the time of hacking my wii for a pointless alteration.

If I weren't satisfied with the game, I'd find a game I enjoy more.

having more fun = a pointless alteration, apparently

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

I'm just sayin, it's not hard just to be happy with what you get.

lol you act as if though Nintendo is a parent and we're their children.

No, if the product isn't satisfactory, then I won't be happy; I'm the consumer, and I spend money on their product. They marketed their product as being a step above their last, similar product, and I didn't like many of it's defects.

If you spend your money, you have a right to be unsatisfactory.

Or you just suck and are making excuses. Sure some characters have advantages, but so what?

LOL I just suck? Do you even know of all the easy to do, stupid infinites in Brawl? They're not even advantages, they are straight up counter attacks.

Please tell me how to escape out of Shiek's chain when playing as Ganondorf and not suck.

Why don't you? Most likely you're not willing to accept that Brawl+ isn't for everyone,

No, I accept that Brawl+ isn't for everyone. I just don't understand the reasoning behind everyone else's reasoning.

"I have fun with Brawl already" - So, if Super Smash Brothers 4 came out, you wouldn't buy it?

"I don't see the point of hacking the game" - People saw a broken product, and they can fix that broken product, and they probably have fun balancing the game and coming

"It's only for competitive people, and only competitive people will care about it" - No, that's not true, the changes are very noticeable, and the game feels very different.

I can understand "I'm just not interested in the mechanics changes," or "I don't want to hack my Wii."

and a fair number of us find it pointless. Also I enjoy wasting your time because you seem to try and refute every post that disagrees with your thought that brawl+ is so much better.

That's because no one here has really played Brawl+ and everyone keeps on giving crappy reasons as to their disinterest.

Gamerankings.com average score 92.86% I'd call that pretty damn amazing.

Brawl is very good at what it does; catering to the casual player and putting fluff in people's faces to "make up" for the worse game mechanics. For those of us who don't like infinites and broken gameplay, Brawl is not quite the game we wanted. Brawl knows how to make a good first impression, but after that, the gameplay becomes stupid.

Riiiiight... Is anyone who just wants to play brawl gonna go through the trouble of hacking their wii for this so called 'better' version? No. If I have the game and I'm happily satisfied with it, as is the case, I'm not gonna go through the time of hacking my wii for a pointless alteration.

GUH.

If I weren't satisfied with the game, I'd find a game I enjoy more.

And see, I can understand that...except it's getting harder and harder to accept that when people don't want to address Brawl's horrible unbalancedness.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

And see, I can understand that...except it's getting harder and harder to accept that when people don't want to address Brawl's horrible unbalancedness.

Most people as far as I can tell don't notice or care if they do.

Originally Posted by Talhoffer

Most people as far as I can tell don't notice or care if they do.

That's bull. Go to Smashboards, the biggest Smash community on the net, and let's see what they say about that.