Brawl Characters

Originally Posted by caroliinee

Ike's final smash is probably my second favorite, it does look awesome, but I still love Link's. Both of their FSs are similar in a way.

Except Ike's is better, imo, because he can target more than one opponent and has fire. The only way Link's can do that is if they get caught in it and it's quite easy to avoid.

I think the fire in Ike's is awesome but that's just me.

The Landmaster is cheap, which is why I hate it so much. Too easy to use. All you do is fly up with opponents on top of it and...bam. It can KO many times before it deactivates too, which makes it even cheaper.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Doing the most damage doesn't mean it's the best. :/

What does a Fina Smash do? It's supposed to get you KO's.

What Final Smash is the best, then? Super Sonic and Falco's Landmaster.

Best is merely opinion. I think Ike's is the best because of how awesome it looks and cuz it has fire.

Coolest can be an opinion, because people have very different views of what's hip and what's not.

Originally Posted by Som

Ehh I think Falco's is better.

I used to think that, too, but Sonic's is much more reliable. I'm actually kind of on the boat that they're equal, because Falco has pretty good situations (Final Destination) and bad situations (like on Spear Pillar or any stage where it can get stuck).

I think Super Sonic also lasts a bit longer.

When I say best, I mean which I think looks the best, and has the best properties and such. An FS is supposed to get you KOs, but it can be easy to do that with practically any of them as long as you know how to use them right.

But the one that gets the most KOs and is most reliable is the best. Landmasters are great for that.

Best in that sense, yes. But not best overall. Best overall includes what I said. I like Ike's best overall.

Landmasters are way too cheap, which is why they're the worst overall, imo.

By cheap, you mean good, right?

And what you think looks the best does no factor into the best FS. That is subjective, whereas the best killer is objective.

Honestly, what does cheap mean?

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

When I say best, I mean which I think looks the best, and has the best properties and such. An FS is supposed to get you KOs, but it can be easy to do that with practically any of them as long as you know how to use them right.

Except some of the FS are much better at getting KO's than others.

Please don't tell me that Peach's Final Smash is comparable to Sonic's FS.

Originally Posted by Kitsuné

But the one that gets the most KOs and is most reliable is the best. Landmasters are great for that.

Yeah.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Best in that sense, yes. But not best overall. Best overall includes what I said. I like Ike's best overall.

You can LIKE Ike's best, no one's arguing against you, but you need to stop using super subjective words when trying to argue your point.

Landmasters are way too cheap, which is why they're the worst overall, imo.

>_<

Originally Posted by Kitsuné

By cheap, you mean good, right?

And what you think looks the best does no factor into the best FS. That is subjective, whereas the best killer is objective.

Yeah, that seems to be it.

Honestly, what does cheap mean?

I know! People have completely differing definitions of "cheap!" It doesn't work!

My mains are Link, Toon Link, Sonic, and Kirby.

Anyway, imo the cheapest final smash is either fox's or peaches. Fox's because the landmaster fills theentire freaking stage on some smaller levels, and peaches because it gives her a free heal and there is no way to avoid being put to sleep.

Also, Meta Knight is one of the most overbalanced characters I've ever seen in a fighting game.

Cheap means it takes no skill to do and it's TOO good.

The Landmaster's cheapness annoys me, so I hate it. Oh, not to mention Fox, Falco, and Wolf can mistakenly KO themselves while using it. That tank is so big, it can be hard to maneuver on certain stages and lead to suicide.

Also, in some senses, Ike's is one of the best killers too. It makes automatic KOs on certain stages and can target three opponents. That is, if you can make it hit. It takes a little practice to be able to do that well. Another thing, Ike gets his targets high in the air, making a KO ALWAYS possible.

For me, best is not simply how many KOs you can get out of it, but how it works, what the chances are of making a good amount of successful KOs, etc. Also simple things like having fire and awesome stuff like that contribute.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Cheap means it takes no skill to do and it's TOO good.

>_<

The Landmaster's cheapness annoys me, so I hate it. Oh, not to mention Fox, Falco, and Wolf can mistakenly KO themselves while using it. That tank is so big, it can be hard to maneuver on certain stages and lead to suicide.

No, it's not hard to maneuver. In fact, they're very easy to maneuver. Fox's might be a little hard to, since he doesn't have nearly the flight time as Falco's or Wolf's, but if you're good, Final Smashes are very easy to use and keep yourself from suiciding.

Also, in some senses, Ike's is one of the best killers too. It makes automatic KOs on certain stages and can target three opponents. That is, if you can make it hit. It takes a little practice to be able to do that well. Another thing, Ike gets his targets high in the air, making a KO ALWAYS possible.

And Sonic and Falco's are completely better because they can not only finish an enemy, but rack up damage and then finish them.

For me, best is not simply how many KOs you can get out of it, but how it works, what the chances are of making a good amount of successful KOs, etc.

Which would mean that Sonic's is the best in those terms.

Originally Posted by SheikahSage

Anyway, imo the cheapest final smash is either fox's or peaches. Fox's because the landmaster fills theentire freaking stage on some smaller levels

Just jump on his Landmaster, and jump when he tries to Barrel Roll.

and peaches because it gives her a free heal and there is no way to avoid being put to sleep.

Run far away from it when she uses it, and jump. You will either be put to sleep for half a second, or you will be completely awake, and you can eat some peaches, too.

Originally Posted by SheikahSage

My mains are Link, Toon Link, Sonic, and Kirby.

Anyway, imo the cheapest final smash is either fox's or peaches. Fox's because the landmaster fills theentire freaking stage on some smaller levels, and peaches because it gives her a free heal and there is no way to avoid being put to sleep.

Also, Meta Knight is one of the most overbalanced characters I've ever seen in a fighting game.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Cheap means it takes no skill to do and it's TOO good.

The Landmaster's cheapness annoys me, so I hate it. Oh, not to mention Fox, Falco, and Wolf can mistakenly KO themselves while using it. That tank is so big, it can be hard to maneuver on certain stages and lead to suicide.

So doesn't that balance the move? How on earth does a negative make a move more cheap?

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Also, in some senses, Ike's is one of the best killers too. It makes automatic KOs on certain stages and can target three opponents. That is, if you can make it hit. It takes a little practice to be able to do that well. Another thing, Ike gets his targets high in the air, making a KO ALWAYS possible.

For me, best is not simply how many KOs you can get out of it, but how it works, what the chances are of making a good amount of successful KOs, etc. Also simple things like having fire and awesome stuff like that contribute.

That's cheap!

My fav 3 are(in order): Lucario, Ike, and Toon Link. Im not really good with Link as i used to be. But im really good using Ike and Lucario.

I play Marth and Ike the most, I believe, which is quite ironic as I think the Fire Emblem series are useless for anything else than delicious, delicious IkexSoren. I also like ZSS (Oh damn I'd hit it), and since i play with Gecko OS I'm going to start playing her in her Dominatrix Suit. I also enjoy Lucario (I'm sorry, this time no pairings enjoyed as I'm not a furry), some Link (LinkxDarkLink LOLOLOL), and... I don't know. Those and some more.
I also secondary half the cast.

Originally Posted by TheBattler

And Sonic and Falco's are completely better because they can not only finish an enemy, but rack up damage and then finish them.

Ike's can do the same. I've made it do that before.

I'm not going to argue with any of you. My opinion is that Ike's is the best and that won't change. All your efforts are meaningless.

Main: Kirby
Second(s): Cpt. Falcon, Metaknight, Pit

Not really sure who I suck against; probably Ike and Marth.

Originally Posted by Kurai Chi

Main: Kirby
Second(s): Cpt. Falcon, Metaknight, Pit

Not really sure who I suck against; probably Ike and Marth.

Once you learn the art of advanced spot dodging, playing Kirby is a breeze against Ike.

^That's for sure.

The very reason I tend to have trouble against Kirby with Ike.

Which can be countered by spamming nairs and retracting fairs (moving back while doing fair with c-stick), teehee. it's hard but works.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Ike's can do the same. I've made it do that before.

No, it can't do the same.

Great Aether can KO at most 3 people.

Super Sonic can KO 3 people, and then after the other players are done respawning, it can rack their damage up to 60% quite quickly, or outright kill them.

When you learn how to use Great Eather, you can guarantee AT MOST KO's as there are players.

When you learn how to use Super Sonic, you are guaranteed AT LEAST as many KOs as there are players.

If there are 3 players, Ike can either get 0, 1, 2, or 3 KOs.

If there are 3 players, Sonic can get 3-6 KOs. It's too fast and too powerful.

I'm not going to argue with any of you. My opinion is that Ike's is the best and that won't change. All your efforts are meaningless.

Don't be so close-minded.

We're not trying to argue that Ike's isn't the coolest looking one; I also think that it's one of the coolest looking Final Smashes, along with Captain Falcon's.

But it's certainly not the best, and we're arguing with FACTS and you're arguing with opinions.

So, if you won't budge under the weight of facts, then...I'm sorry, but you're not very bright.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

Ike's can do the same. I've made it do that before.

I'm not going to argue with any of you. My opinion is that Ike's is the best and that won't change. All your efforts are meaningless.

Well... you're wrong. It's that simple. :>