The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v2.0

I think it's awesome that Link is still so low. Facing a decent Link player is one of those things about Brawl that I quite like, because I know that this person has put effort and training into the character similar to what I have. Same with Ganondorf, too. He's a mighty beast when used properly, even with such a low ranking.

I find it lulzy that out of the bottom tier category, there's just Jigglypuff that I don't use regularly (Captain Falcon somewhat. Come on, he's Captain -Falcon-).

Originally Posted by smallville boy

Yeah! MetaKnight Rulz!
Poor link U_U toon link is the best of the zelda characters.

Ganny is the sexiest. O: AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS UNF

Tier thread related; I don't much care for tiers, I mean they're nice to know, but I hate people who take them way too seriously and go; "YOU PICKED ZAMUS? YOU SUCK SHE'S LOW TIER LOLOLOL" :/ I play the characters that fit me and who I play well with, and don't tell me that I suck just for using a low tier character. Tiers can go **** themselves.

Originally Posted by Kittie Kara

Ganny is the sexiest. O: AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS UNF

Tier thread related; I don't much care for tiers, I mean they're nice to know, but I hate people who take them way too seriously and go; "YOU PICKED ZAMUS? YOU SUCK SHE'S LOW TIER LOLOLOL" :/ I play the characters that fit me and who I play well with, and don't tell me that I suck just for using a low tier character. Tiers can go **** themselves.

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN

AND WON.




Sorry, I cannot disagree with this!!!

Me neither. I like to look at them, but don't base my opinion off them much. Especially a teir list based on who plays which characters the most. That's not very useful to me.

Now show me teirs on who runs the fastest, has the fastest attacks, has the biggest variety of moves, and who's the most powerful. That I could use. Something that's based on character abilities instead of whoever's popular at the moment.

Originally Posted by Jeff

No, but his range is what makes him a decent character, there's a lot of neat tricks you can do with that.

This is true. But if only Ninty had made Ragnell's shockwaves from FE a B move could Ike's full range be shown, AND give the guy a projectile. Had Ninty done this, Ike probably would be higher right now due to how unspeakable his range is for a swordsman.

You have no idea of knowing that. >_> Projectiles aren't the be all and end all of smash; someare just pathetic. You'll see MK flying ahead of the rest of the cat comfortably, with no projectiles.

This is for discussion about the tiersand game as it is, not saying that your character would be better if he was portrayed differently, because smash isn't so simple that you can say more projectiles = higher tier. Fox's smashes are uber quick in Brawl, and to me he feels better, but he's dropped loads of tiers since Melee. >_>

Anyway, it's pleasing to see Diddy move up; his promise shown against MK may actually single-handedly be responsible xP Marth is doing well too, which is nice to see, but I doubt he has the grit to move any futher. Giggle at Ganondorf and Facon being bottom tier; two of my seconds. Ike's about as good as I could have hoped for.

Lucario... I'm pleased. He's not so high as to attract much attention next to MK, Snake and G&W, but he still shows promise and has some nice ATs and reasonable matchups.

^__^

LOL Stony, it's funny you mention it, cause I always expect Aether to send out a shockwave ala Kirby's Final Cutter. :3


Tier list rant ahoy... I'm not a tier *****, it just annoys me that "serious" players get crap based on misunderstandings. :/

Originally Posted by Chad

Especially a teir list based on who plays which characters the most.

Tier lists aren't based on who plays who the most. They're based on the character's overall current performance relative to other characters. For example, if ROB has 20 good matchups but Toon Link only has 10 good matchups (among other factors), ROB gets placed higher. The only way that the amount each character gets played even affects a tier list is that more popular characters will inherently have a faster-developing metagame, which in turn affects things like matchups and tournament standings.

Anyway tier lists don't even affect you unless you're a world-class player, where you know your character better than anyone else in the world and even the tiniest little difference in potential could affect the match (and even then most pros don't change their main in conformance to tier lists). For everyday up-and-coming smashers like you and me, tier lists are pretty much for general interest.

Originally Posted by Kittie Kara

Tier thread related; I don't much care for tiers, I mean they're nice to know, but I hate people who take them way too seriously and go; "YOU PICKED ZAMUS? YOU SUCK SHE'S LOW TIER LOLOLOL" :/ I play the characters that fit me and who I play well with, and don't tell me that I suck just for using a low tier character. Tiers can go **** themselves.

Kikz, I don't actually know anyone who gives people flak based on their main vs. the tier list. Tier lists aren't ego trips; they're not there to tell you that you suck for using X Character.

Falcon still shouldn't be that low. At least put him above Ganon.

Now show me teirs on who runs the fastest, has the fastest attacks, has the biggest variety of moves, and who's the most powerful. That I could use. Something that's based on character abilities instead of whoever's popular at the moment.

That is what this tier list is.............

Sheik/Zelda should be treated as one, methinks. I think that would also make her be higher up the list (most likely D tier). Anyway, this is the most accurate tier list so far, IMO. MK has always had and shall always have his own tier at the very top.

Ban MK.

Kikz, I don't actually know anyone who gives people flak based on their main vs. the tier list. Tier lists aren't ego trips; they're not there to tell you that you suck for using X Character.

Go to a Smash website. All the noobs/idiots run around yelling at anyone with a character below mid tier.

I main Ike, and I don't give a flying **** about his placement. My mate plays a very good Pit and Fox, and I can still go up against him and win 60-70% of the time. And he adn I are pretty good. But I digress.

Diddy is high because he currently has the best chance against Meta Knight. I think the average is 60:40 MK's way on Final.

As for MK, I don't want to see him banned. Other characters meta games are still going, and Diddy is a great example of how he has lost a little of his domination.
Still, he will always be at the top. :/

Originally Posted by Sign of Madness

That is what this tier list is.............

I was told this teir showed who was used the most often.

And how does it show speed and power and such. It just lists the names. I would expect stats.

People lie, or just makes things up based on what they perceive.

Running speed and power aren't very important. The speed in which attack frames come out, priority, and how long the frames stay are more important. Power means nothing if you can't land hits.
The new list give a rank. What do you mean by stats?

I'm not sure what people mean by priority.

Stats like listing them according to who attacks fastest or runs fastest or hits hardest. And give a number. That kind of thing.

Smash isn't an RPG.

Priority
Sonic is fastest.
Meta's attacks come out fastest.
Fox's shine comes out in one frame, or at least, it did in Melee. It has no practical use in Brawl, so it doesn't count.
D3's fsmash hits the hardest.

Originally Posted by Kitsuné

Smash isn't an RPG.

I didn't say anything about an RPG. I'm just saying that if you're going to make a chart about a game, that it should involve numbers and stuff for accuracy.

The Smash Community has no way of accessing such numbers. I suppose if someone wanted to, they could process the numbers for attack and create an average attack speed, strength, et cetera.

If you want to see in depth guides for attacks, what they do, how they're used, damage, speed etc. Check out some guides on Smashboards or some of the better Smash Bros, sites, I guess.

You can't measure a character's power. Even if you could, it wouldn't matter at all.

This list isn't about who is used the most, is about listing the characters in order from best to worst.

Falco is high and that kind of dissapoints me... I hate it when people John *oh, he's top tier*

One player always can make a difference, because after one uses it, many start to (that is if the person is good).

EDIT: Tier list can never be too accurate. I mean, it is just a reference for people to look at when to see where there main is. Tier list shouldn't ever concern you too much, I mean if you use Capt. Falcon and look at this and try to change even though you are good with him, then stick with him. I mean, ZU isn't competitive or anything... XD