Change Character Based on Tier

Yeah I had trouble braking my habit with MK of using FAirs for gimping instead of DAirs.

Spot dodging is dangerous in high levels of play.

I changed my main based on the tier list in Melee, and I'm happy I did ^.^

I used Roy. I was a little better with him than Peach, but after some days my Peach was way better than my Roy. So I changed to Peach <3

What I'm saying is that you should be willing to change to a character you are better with, even if your current main is your all time favorite character. Give every character a chance and you could end up someone you like more than your current main. After you decide your main, put a lot of focus into improving with this character.

Having a secondary is very important in high level play. Unless your character is MK, you will find some counters to your main and you should be able to deal with them with some other character. I just decided that DK should be my counterpick-main. I didn't exactly chose him because he was 'fun', but because he couples quite well with Peach and after some training he'll do better than my other "fun" characters (the fun factor had something to do of course ^.^).

About the topic in hand: Learning to spotdodge improved my game a lot, but I tended to spam it too much and kept getting hit with multihit/laggy/lingering attacks. You'll get used to know when to roll and when to spotdodge.

Except the point of fact is that in high level play people will bait a spot dodge and punish it accordingly.

In low level play people tend to be predictable and spot dodge becomes useful.


I lucked out in that my favorite character is the one I am the best with and who is also high tier(though tiers matter not to me).

They spot dodge in high levels too Aziel....Anyways you have to mix it up with spot dodges and rolls. Too much of one and you become predictable. Which at high levels is worse than throwing in a couple spot dodges.

I see more testimony against using it since SD is easily baited and punished.

If you don't spam it it is fine.
YouTube - Dojo (meta) vs. Santi (toon link) 1 MK used a SD which cost the TLink a life.

Sure but it's usefulness is questionable at best, since you literally need to predict the future to use it efficiently.

I dunno if it was this thread or another one but someone said 'mewta knight is an unfair character' which was pretty damn funny.

how can any character be unfair?

Because Meta Knight is the most broken character in the series in comparison to the rest of the cast. He has an advantage against every single character in the entire game. He is truly broken and unfairly good.

How?


I can kill metaknight in seconds he's so light.

Then the Meta Knight you play suck. He can out-prioritize pretty much the entire cast with just his FAirs. He has very good range. So if you know how to space well you won't get hit anyway.
If you can't get touched. Light weight isn't a problem.
When you can gimp the entire cast with a couple DAirs, almost no killing moves except DSmash isn't a problem.
He has virtually no lag with a good amount of his attacks.
His worst matchup is against Diddy on FD. And he still has a slight advantage over Diddy.

So, is it like some glitch-abuse? because that's different.

^ It's not glitch abuse at all. It's just the way he was made.

His simply cut out the opponesnt attacks. His uspec and dsmash are killing moves with nearly no lag (uspec can also come out of a shield) and his airials have nearly no lag time (his uair has the shortest frame rate of any attack in the game).

Quite simply, any Meta Knight who knows what they are doing can easily destroy any other character.
Hence, unfair.

On the topic of spot dodging:

I agree with SoM here. Yes, it is based on some predicting, but players can be very predictable after playing them for a few minutes. You may shield one of their attacks and then know they are going to try and grab.
Simply SD and punish.

Again, like SoM said, SD and RD cannot be spammed, otherwise it becomes to predictable and you get punished.
I suppose it's about balancing your tactics in the end.

You know what would stop that? (meta knight overkilling)



items

^ It could, but for obvious reasons, the competitive arena bans items.

However, they have also banned Meta Knight in most places too!

I went to a local tourney just the other day (21st out of 66 players ) and he was banned there unless the opponent allowed you to play with him.
I only saw 1 player use him, and he got destroyed anyway. He wasn't very good. Thats probably why the other guy let him use him.

Originally Posted by Lord Insizor

I only saw 1 player use him, and he got destroyed anyway. He wasn't very good. That's probably why the other guy let him use him.

HeheheHehe.
Anyway, good job at your tourny.
People are still trying to ban MK? so sad...

Originally Posted by Alucard777

HeheheHehe.
Anyway, good job at your tourny.
People are still trying to ban MK? so sad...

Considering the Smash Back Room (the guys who make the tier list and make the rules that most people use) says that Meta Knight should not be banned based on their vote of 3:1, he won't be banned for a while. People are getting better against MK. NinjaLink has beaten M2K(the best player ever, and he uses MK) several times with Diddy Kong, thus supporting a recent idea of Diddy being MK's best counter. And we've seen many characters debated as equal to or having slight advantages against MK, such as Olimar, Snake, Zamus, DK, and Yoshi. The MK dominance might end after a while, this is another phase in the meta game. Early on, everyone used D3, then Snake was the broken character, now its MK.

Originally Posted by Pignoah

So, is it like some glitch-abuse? because that's different.

No, not glitch abuse. Let me put it this way.

When they make SSBB, there are SO many variables to control with every player. Weight, Speed of every single individual move, damage of every move, recovery of every move, what moves can combine with what other moves, range, lag, is the move stronger close up or at the end of the range, how fast is the roll dodge, how long is the counter, how much can you charge each move. And the list goes on.

Naturally, since the SSB team doesn't have eternity to perfect every character so they are perfectly fair (and it would take an eternity) there are some unbalances. Not unfortunately, the SSBB team seem to have made a bigger unbalance then usual with Meta Knight. Totally understandable.

So MK is "better", as in he has more potential and an advantage to the rest.

But still, skill is the ultimate judge of the winner.

Originally Posted by Lord Golbez

M2K(the best player ever, and he uses MK)

When M2K was one of the best, he played Fawks, and no one even knew what Brawl was. Anyway, I like how you're knowledgeable on current MK matchups.
Not to say the M2K is in any way bad now. It's just that... Melee...mmm.