9/11- (Future) Holiday?

Originally Posted by Anann

I ignore it because it's been over with for almost a decade.

We should just forget everything that didn't happen in the past 10 years, amirite?

8 years is not enough time to make a major American event like 9/11 irrelevant.

Originally Posted by TalAarahk

8 years is not enough time to make a major American event like 9/11 irrelevant.

Exactly. That's like asking England to forget all the tragedies it suffered because they happened a long time ago.

Granted 9/11 is not the same as being attacked by the Nazis, it's still a tragedy, so no one can ask us to just forget it "because it happened a long time ago". If they do, I say "Shove it!"

Hey, I approved the idea that 3,000 people died so I can have a day off! It should be made into one!

Then by all means cry.

I just find it a bit weak minded to still not be over it.

Originally Posted by Link the Zora

Exactly. That's like asking England to forget all the tragedies it suffered because they happened a long time ago.

Russia would be a better example.

Wow. I've never heard of Patriot's Day. When was it implemented?

Also, I didn't say 9/11 should be a holiday right now. I said future holiday, which could be any number of years in the future, Maska casu. Oh and by the way, according to Wikipedia, 2350 people died in the Pearl Harbor attacks. Upwards of 3000 died on 9/11. So yeah, casualty wise, two buildings(not just one)> a whole city.

Originally Posted by Anaan

Then by all means cry.

I just find it a bit weak minded to still not be over it.

Yeah, go tell that to anyone involved or related to anyone involved. They should totally get over that right? I mean it was 8 years ago! If they're not over it, they're just sissies. And while we're at it, why don't we just tell every rape victim to get over it, too, right? So you got raped 5 years ago. Boo-hoo. Right?

Also, there's a difference between being over it and remembering it as a great American tragedy. Making it a holiday doesn't mean that we're going to cry every time we hear about it. It means we'll remember it somberly, we'll have a little salute of sorts, and then go about the rest of our day.

I've never heard of Patriot 's Day..... But I kinda would like it to be a holiday, well, of course not a celebrated holiday, a really sad holiday to remember all of those people who died. I always love to watch the specials about it on TV on 9/11 so it would be helpful if it was a holiday so I could get out of school and just watch stuff about 9/11 all day....... But of course sometimes 9/11 is on the weekend, but I think last year it was during the week so I had to go to school and I missed all of the specials on the TV about it.

Originally Posted by Pelagias

A Day of Remembrance, I can see 9/11 being, but a holiday? Too morbid.

I agree, it would be strange to call it a holiday

Originally Posted by Maska času

I don't know about you, but to me 9/11 is nothing compared to December 7th. One building>a whole city?

a millitary base was attacked, not a city.

Gawd, have a disaster and move on like everyone else, don’t make a day of it.

Well, I don't think we will ever fully recover for a while. I mean, the thing happened just 8 years ago.

Let me ask you something: If you get to have memorials dedicated to the Holocaust, keep and convert closed concentration camps into memorial sites, have movies about the Holocaust come out at least once every two years...

Then why can't we Americans have that dedicated to two twin towers in which over 3,000+ innocent people died?

If you're gonna ask us to get over 9/11, then it's to be expected that you likewise, must get over the Holocaust.

I apologize if I've offended friends and relatives of Holocaust victims. I do not wish to demeen them. I'm saying that perhaps friends and families of 9/11 victims would like to make sure THEY aren't forgotten as well.

Originally Posted by Link the Zora

Well, I don't think we will ever fully recover for a while. I mean, the thing happened just 8 years ago.

Let me ask you something: If you get to have memorials dedicated to the Holocaust, keep and convert closed concentration camps into memorial sites, have movies about the Holocaust come out at least once every two years...

Then why can't we Americans have that dedicated to two twin towers in which over 3,000+ innocent people died?

If you're gonna ask us to get over 9/11, then it's to be expected that you likewise, must get over the Holocaust.

I apologize if I've offended friends and relatives of Holocaust victims. I do not wish to demeen them. I'm saying that perhaps friends and families of 9/11 victims would like to make sure THEY aren't forgotten as well.

Weeeellll...while I agree, I feel like I must point out that the Holocaust involved thousands upon thousands upon thousands of more people dying than 9/11 did. I can't really see the Holocause and 9/11 on the same level, casualty wise. Historically wise...well we'll just have to wait and see.

Then again, on the other hand if Pearl Harbor can have a remembrance, then 9/11 ought to as well, considering there were more casualities on the latter.

Originally Posted by Lunchbox

Weeeellll...while I agree, I feel like I must point out that the Holocaust involved thousands upon thousands upon thousands of more people dying than 9/11 did. I can't really see the Holocause and 9/11 on the same level, casualty wise. Historically wise...well we'll just have to wait and see.

Well, in terms of their effects, I think you could say that they were relatively the same (minus casualties). They were both terrible incidents that rattled the world. You have the astronomical numbers of death committed through vicious hate crime, which reached ears worldwide. On top of that, I suppose people wondered how such an atrocity could be committed without intervention, how the world was either incompetent or incapable of defending the lives of those facing their doom. Then you have the breach of security. Not security like defensive, or preventive, but in the security one feels in ones own home, or behind the walls of a grand castle. This breach rattled America to it's core, and I think the real issue was how many lost their security, the same could be said around the world. The world looked upon America in that time, and what did they see? They saw the walls of the great fortress blown asunder. Something no one thought could happen.

Casualty-wise? No. Significance-wise? I would say so.

Originally Posted by Anann

Then by all means cry.

I just find it a bit weak minded to still not be over it.

Just because we offer rememberences does not mean we are not over it. As other have said, why don't you tell the victims, and the families of the victims to 'get over it'?

Originally Posted by Anann

I ignore it because it's been over with for almost a decade.

Originally Posted by Anann

Then by all means cry.

I just find it a bit weak minded to still not be over it.

That was slightly harsh Anann. It's not the fact that we're "not over it", it's more so that September 11th is now a "rememberance" day of those who passed away during this tragedy.

Like if you lost a loved one in this accident, how could you simply "ignore" this day?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Well, in terms of their effects, I think you could say that they were relatively the same (minus casualties). They were both terrible incidents that rattled the world. You have the astronomical numbers of death committed through vicious hate crime, which reached ears worldwide. On top of that, I suppose people wondered how such an atrocity could be committed without intervention, how the world was either incompetent or incapable of defending the lives of those facing their doom. Then you have the breach of security. Not security like defensive, or preventive, but in the security one feels in ones own home, or behind the walls of a grand castle. This breach rattled America to it's core, and I think the real issue was how many lost their security, the same could be said around the world. The world looked upon America in that time, and what did they see? They saw the walls of the great fortress blown asunder. Something no one thought could happen.

Casualty-wise? No. Significance-wise? I would say so.



Just because we offer rememberences does not mean we are not over it. As other have said, why don't you tell the victims, and the families of the victims to 'get over it'?

I agree.

Back before this, we Americans thought that we were so secured, so fortified that nothing could come in. Nothing could hurt us. We were pratically immuned to attacks.

This was a wake-up call. We are just as vulnerable to an attack as any other nation.

EDIT: Anann, what country are you from, anyway?

Just because I'm anal - Patriot Day (a more "formal" name for 9/11, made up by Bush and used and known about by pretty much nobody else) is not the same thing as Patriots' Day (a holiday held on the third Monday in April, in honor of the start of the American Revolution and the annual date of the Boston Marathon).

Now, 9/11 is a very historical event and still more than relevant to our modern day. Also, the name 9/11 is catchy as hell and used quite often in regular political conversation. Thus, it'll still be a de facto holiday no matter what you guys want. The odds of Patriot Day surviving are basically nil, but 9/11 will still be acknowledged and memorialized for at least the next decade or two.

9/11 caused a major culture shock - it was the first attack on the 48 contiguous states since the war of 1812. Despite all of the wars America had been in, there hadn't been a reason for civilians to fear their own lives while combat was going on. And even then, 2001 wasn't during a war at all. Pearl Harbor was unexpected, but it was a military attack on a naval port on an island thousands of miles off the coast. While it propelled the country into World War II, it didn't shock everyone nearly as much as 9/11. Soldiers are a fair target in whatever war you're fighting, innocent and unassuming civilians are not.

An attack that kills that many thousands of people in such a shocking way in a country that is supposed to be secure created a lot of trauma for the American people that I don't think most people in other countries (especially Europe) really grasp. It's like living at the top of a 12-story high rise and having a bear break into your apartment and maul your friends in front of you. It's completely unexpected, it's very traumatic, and it's the sort of thing that's going to freak you out. Yeah, it's not the best analogy, but it really is something as shocking as that in the mind of an American. There's a reason that every American can tell you *exactly* where they were and what happened to them on that day, and that's because it really did freak the f*** out of the country as a whole.

9/11's be memorialized plenty without acknowledging it as an actual (bulls***) holiday. Maybe once people start dying and stop remembering it on their own there will be a need/desire to make a real holiday of it, but for now I think it's completely unnecessary.

I don't take out days off my life to mourn every bad day of the past.

My big brother worked a block away from WTC, when it happened. It isn't like my life wasn't affected.

I've had loved ones die, I've had terrible things happen to me in my life.

I move on, I don't do something as unnecessary as "stopping the presses" on every anniversary of ****ty events.

I don't think anyone wants others to mourn them. So I do not mourn.

It's not really mourning at this point though, Anann. Today (9/11) at school, we simply had a minute of silence for those whose lives were lost, and then went on about our day. No one was sad, nothing about our day was drastically changed, or anything.

You seem to ignore what people have said that remembrance is different than mourning.

****, if it means another day off, I'm all for making "Patriot Day" in to a federal holiday.

Originally Posted by Lunchbox*

So yeah, casualty wise, two buildings(not just one)> a whole city.

Three buildings isn't it? (Building 7)

Also, I think that casualty-wise it isn't too significant compared to other disasters. However, I believe it was the catalyst to America's problems in the years following. Bush's "war on terror" (which led to billions in spendings and not too many results for most citizens of the world), and the recession are inevitably linked to 9/11. Not to mention the increased security in every airport across the world and the collapse of three important buildings and many millions in damage.