Your Stance on Death

Originally Posted by Anann

Right and what have the wonders of the internet gotten us?

The largest knowledge base in the history of humanity?

Not peace, not agreement. Just a forum for people to speak their thoughts, which in the majority of cases, is nothing but hate and intolerance. Oh, and porn. Lots and lots of porn.

What's wrong with porn?

The world needs a reboot in attitude. Just because people can communicate easily, does not mean they will communicate constructively.

But... they do. Not always, but it's not like the Internet is used exclusively for nonconstructive criticism.

Better computers, and what do we use them for? Games. Missile systems. War.

And curing diseases.

Oh yea and what else have we made in the last 100 years? Nuclear weapons. Better living through annihilating others.

And nuclear power...

Weaponized germs.

And antibiotics...

Where is the progress?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_ex...tion_over_time

and where is peace?

I don't see any of it. It isn't here even in this country, it definitely isn't present in the world at large.

I don't care how long I live, not if there is such a large chance I get killed in an unnatural manner.

My lineage has always been long lived anyway.


Antibiotics do not balance out germ warfare, nothing you posted balances out the horrors humanity has invented.

Most areas still work on coal/oil power.

Porn is irrelevant, that was my point. Most of the information is irrelevant. Useless trivia.

You really can't claim that those things have even a fraction of the impact of the destructive progresses. They don't have a cure for any of the major life threatening illnesses. As we speak people are getting blown up by bombs and being shot to death with guns. If in the near future, a rogue state was to get its hands on a nuclear warhead, we would be screwed.

There are places in this world you simply cannot go, because they WILL kill you. What has your internet done to alleviate that? Where is the solution?

As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.

Hostility is widespread. Hate is everywhere. The internet is not full of acceptance. Before you could delude yourself into believing the world was not full of hate and bigotry, now with the internet such a delusion is impossible, unless you avoid contact with the internet.

As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.

So, assuming everything is exactly as you claim it - a hopelessly pessimistic, one sided, ironically spiteful view, we should simply give up now? Because we are destined to fail? Your post reminds me of a quote from Moe: "Peace and serenity? Well it's about Damn time!!".

and where is peace?

I don't see any of it. It isn't here even in this country, it definitely isn't present in the world at large.

I don't care how long I live, not if there is such a large chance I get killed in an unnatural manner.

My lineage has always been long lived anyway.


Antibiotics do not balance out germ warfare, nothing you posted balances out the horrors humanity has invented.

Most areas still work on coal/oil power.

Porn is irrelevant, that was my point. Most of the information is irrelevant. Useless trivia.

You really can't claim that those things have even a fraction of the impact of the destructive progresses. They don't have a cure for any of the major life threatening illnesses. As we speak people are getting blown up by bombs and being shot to death with guns. If in the near future, a rogue state was to get its hands on a nuclear warhead, we would be screwed.

There are places in this world you simply cannot go, because they WILL kill you. What has your internet done to alleviate that? Where is the solution?

As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.

Hostility is widespread. Hate is everywhere. The internet is not full of acceptance. Before you could delude yourself into believing the world was not full of hate and bigotry, now with the internet such a delusion is impossible, unless you avoid contact with the internet.

I do not mean to come off as spiteful (though I have a feeling I will) but for someone who accuses us of not knowing what "love" is (see debate with Evilsbane) you're rather harsh to condemn the entire world to die, aren't you?

Somehow, I fail to see any love in that statement at all.

Also, I don't think the internet would neccesarily be irrelevant - you disregard the usages of wikipedia and google. I fail to see how, when I would be interested in searching up something on, say "String theory" in physics (something I don't understand, though lol), not having the internet, or, indeed, any of humanity's inventions, would then make my life any easier when I'd want to compute something complex.

As for that thing about peace: isn't that what humanity is all about? Conflict? If we continually think it's horrible, the world becomes a horrible place to live. You then wonder why someone who lives in Ethiopia (a formerly well-to-do foreigner, from what I remember), amongst some of the poorest people in the world, can still say that they're "happy", even amidst so many dying every day?

Technically, I would have assumed that person to be have been even more pessimistic than you were...

Meh. Perhaps I should ask myself, before I sign off for the night, "Who am I to say any of this?" (probably ask yourself the same question, I'm quite stupid, after all. ^^)

~read~ - Believing that self-pessimism prevails over global pessimism!

well, on the topic of the OP, honestly, im not scared or afraid of death. just a wee.. nervous for the lack of a better word. im darn sure that when i do die, Jesus Chirst'll be accompanying me up to the pearly gates.

Well, to actually answer the thread question, I'm very afraid of death, because the only experience I have ever known is existing, and the idea of no longer experiencing or being anything, scares me immensely. It's not the idea of eternal nothingness, rather the idea of 'not being'. You can see the trouble that comes with attempting to comprehend it. Obviously when I cease to be, I won't be around to feel dissapointed, but the idea of that nothing irks me very very much.

Although, an afterlife would be awfully convinient. Yet the probability of that occurance is hopelessly low. Happily, however, I certainly won't feel hard done by if life doesnt have a 'point'. I enjoy thinking that perhaps I embellished a few points along the way, and the idea that all will become clear upon death is simply silly. Besides, Monty Python's the Meaning of Life has already provided me with ...relevant insight.

Edvard Munch, the painter of The Scream, said a quote that stuck with me, in regard to death:

From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity. -- Edvard Munch

If someone can call themselves happy, that does not speak to the global state of affairs.

I am not talking about one person.

I am talking about the entire human race. Any outside observer would want nothing to do with us.

Yes, on an individual basis we can be wonderful.

But as a whole, we are nothing but primitive warmongers. I'm not saying it is your fault or my fault, but I do say that we can do nothing about it as individuals.

Our current course leads to destruction. There needs to be a new beginning. A radical altering.

If you die happy, that does not mean the world is not doomed to destruction at the hands of the human race.

Love does not equal blind optimism. I have love, but I do not hope, because I have foresight.

^I am afraid that your comment regarding the world being better off if everyone vanished still doesnt stack up in my mind, despite taking into account the content of your latter post. Surely it's prudent to take the chance of human success as a whole, if we give up now, the outcome you seem to expect will only come quicker.

It's something I worry about when I've been up too long.

Originally Posted by SkyDragon

And the only way to get to Heaven is to believe in Jesus. Everyone who doesn't goes to Hell.

Well, guess what? ♥♥♥♥ you too, and have a nice day. You say I go to hell, I tell you to ♥♥♥♥ off - it's really simple.

I think humanity lost its right to a second chance when they dropped the atomic bomb.

"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

I'm sorry but you cannot let hope blind logic. We all have capacity for foresight do we not? Am I overestimating everyone by believing that? Am I underestimating myself?

I don't see how difficult it is to see where things will go and what will happen.

What hope can I have? Humanity hasn't changed its ways for millenia. I only know that change is quickly becoming necessary if we wish to continue on as a species, we can no longer afford petty squabbles, we are not fighting with bone spears and stone slingshots anymore.

We can wipe out all life on this planet if we wished. We can do it accidently.

You tell me where the hope is? You tell me. You look at the world as a whole, and you tell me where is love and where is peace? Where is global cooperation? This damned country can't even get along on an internal basis.

Death is not an enemy, it is a sister. And I believe in Heaven and Hell as I am Christian.

I am not afraid of death as I am a very religious Muslim, I respect everyone elses faiths and beliefs but I will face death head on as it is simple and nothing to be afraid of. Everyone dies and no one escapes death, eventually death will catch up to you wherever you are so theres no point in being scared of it. have a good day/night wherever you are

Psalm 23:4 says
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

Originally Posted by zeldaduderox

Psalm 23:4 says
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

So without that comfort you would fear death. How did humanity become so co-dependent?

^Without that comfort there would be nothing to fear, as there would be nothing.

Fearing death is irrelevant in my world, it will come whether I ask it to or not and I see no reason to fear it. I would not put my lack of fear of death down to religious reasons as I don’t really believe in an afterlife (especially not an eternal one) but more down to the fact I find what’s going on here and now to be more important. If something is inevitable then I will face it by being trú to myself and my beliefs, not by crying in a corner hoping it will go away or thinking “what’s the point” as they are stances that do take the point out of life in my opinion.

Anann, you are just adorable!

Originally Posted by Anann

Hostility is widespread. Hate is everywhere. The internet is not full of acceptance. Before you could delude yourself into believing the world was not full of hate and bigotry, now with the internet such a delusion is impossible, unless you avoid contact with the internet.

And now that we are no longer capable of such self delusion, maybe we can try to change that.

Originally Posted by Anann

I am talking about the entire human race. Any outside observer would want nothing to do with us.

That's presuming that the observer is something better than human or someone who thinks like yourself?

But as a whole, we are nothing but primitive warmongers. I'm not saying it is your fault or my fault, but I do say that we can do nothing about it as individuals.

Our current course leads to destruction. There needs to be a new beginning. A radical altering.

As individuals, we can contribute to the greater goal of change. People who cooperate are far more likely to survive. And the quality of cooperation depends on the trust between individuals. It is compassion that fosters this trust.

Originally Posted by Anann

I think humanity lost its right to a second chance when they dropped the atomic bomb.

"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

If we're going by that fridge logic, humanity lost its right to a second chance even before that.

I'm sorry but you cannot let hope blind logic. We all have capacity for foresight do we not? Am I overestimating everyone by believing that? Am I underestimating myself?

I don't see how difficult it is to see where things will go and what will happen.

What hope can I have? Humanity hasn't changed its ways for millenia. I only know that change is quickly becoming necessary if we wish to continue on as a species, we can no longer afford petty squabbles, we are not fighting with bone spears and stone slingshots anymore.

We can wipe out all life on this planet if we wished. We can do it accidently.

You tell me where the hope is? You tell me. You look at the world as a whole, and you tell me where is love and where is peace? Where is global cooperation? This damned country can't even get along on an internal basis.

Well, one can either sit and ***** or try to act and do something about our woes.

I'm sorry but you cannot let hope blind logic.

Actually, I was questioning the logic of your response. As long as humanity can achieve things, I can't comprehend the comment of yours I took issue with. Surely you agree that we should attempt to make the world better despite negative expectations or scenarios.

I think humanity lost its right to a second chance when they dropped the atomic bomb.

"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

I'm sorry but you cannot let hope blind logic. We all have capacity for foresight do we not? Am I overestimating everyone by believing that? Am I underestimating myself?

I don't see how difficult it is to see where things will go and what will happen.

What hope can I have? Humanity hasn't changed its ways for millenia. I only know that change is quickly becoming necessary if we wish to continue on as a species, we can no longer afford petty squabbles, we are not fighting with bone spears and stone slingshots anymore.

We can wipe out all life on this planet if we wished. We can do it accidently.

You tell me where the hope is? You tell me. You look at the world as a whole, and you tell me where is love and where is peace? Where is global cooperation? This damned country can't even get along on an internal basis.

Ouch. a) You seem to imply that your foresight is the one and only rightness, and if we don't have it, we're kinda stupid.

Hmm. That seems a little arrogant to me, but hey? I admitted it myself - I'm dumb, so who am I to talk?

b) I'm not sure whether you're making an inherent contradiction in making recommendations for how we should live and advance as a race, whilst simultaneously advocating that we all be incinerated. Sorry.

~read~

I'm saying I don't understand why so many people lack foresight. I never claimed I knew the ultimate future, only the possible ones.

Too many seem blind to this.

Individuals cannot make a difference, not a big enough one. You can change each other's lives, but you can't make a dent in the world. The world needs to change, but we can't even change this country without a widespread rebellion, and that will never happen, since we don't have the arms for it, how are we to change the world?

Yes you present logic Dingo, but I have long ago seen that humanity is not a logical species, they work off of avarice and other petty emotions and desires. Too few care about the survival of everyone and too many care only about the survival of self.

The world is in the hands of corporations now, and they don't care if they destroy the world, as long as they make another dollar in the process.

Where is foresight there? Who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about the end of fiscal year profits, if the world will be destroyed in another 50 or so years?(not literal) Far too many it would seem.

It is nothing but short sighted and selfish, this world is not yours or mine, if the people alive now destroy it, there will be no people who come after. Where is the progress if everyone ends up dead?

Where is the international consortium of progress? Where is the effort? I look around and all I see is more war, and more death, and more hatred.

Love exists only on a small scale, if love and hate are equals, where is the global love? Where is the cooperation? Where is the difference? A single act of hate can destroy so much, and cause ripples in this world. No such act of love can even come close.