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Old 08-22-2009, 11:34 AM
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Re: Your Stance on Death

I'm a no bull♥♥♥♥ man. I believe that your brain stops working and thus your body is not in motion. Thus, you die.
Though, I do not know of spirits or souls, I suppose when my time comes I shall know more.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:50 AM
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The mind is the phenomena produced by the interactions within our brains.

You have the brain, you have the mind. It's as simple as that; there is no "mystical unknown force" that constitutes our minds.
Prove it. There's an entire philosophy to this ♥♥♥♥. You can't even prove the mind exists, let alone what it is.
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Old 08-23-2009, 05:11 AM
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Remember what it was like before you were born? Exactly.
This.

Death is a state of nonexistence. It is forever. The human brain generates thought. Thought is energy--and though energy cannot be destroyed, you will not be generating any more thought after your death.

It terrifies me when I really think about it, so I try not to.
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Old 08-24-2009, 05:49 PM
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I've chosen living to embrace life over living to escape death. I admit that I don't like the thought of death being nothingness, it would be nice to continue existing in some form of afterlife. But regardless if that is or isn't the case, I'm still going to make my life and what it means to me my own. God(s) or no God(s). I'll try to avoid death when it's at my doorstep but only for the purpose of further experiencing life. If, I'm to die, I'd prefer it to be on my own terms. Not suicide, but rather when there is no longer anything I can do to escape it and after I've lived over a hundred years, seen the world, and made my own contributions to it.
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Old 08-24-2009, 07:35 PM
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As life expectancy increases, birth rates decrease. Besides, we're not overcrowded. The entire human population could fit comfortably within the state of Texas. We aren't even to the point of living in vertical cities yet.
The entire human population could indeed squeeze into Texas, but they would be slowly starving to death, seeing as there wouldn't be room for farms to support them.
The earth is currently massively overpopulated, never mind what would happen if everyone stopped dying. Right now, it would take land space equal to three earths to support everyone in the world if they lived in the lifestyle of an average Westerner.
We're most definately overcrowded if equality of everyone is impossible.

Birth rate decreases never compensate even closely to expanding population. If everyone was immortal, forced sterilization would be the only way to make it work.

The ethics of immortality or even just expanded life is something that has surprisingly not been brought up yet. A world without death necessarily becomes a world without birth, which is something I find disturbing. Without a constant supply of new, unique individuals, how can humanity grow? We would be stuck with the same people, the same thoughts, there would be no new and radical thinkers and doers to revoloutionise the system. Without diversity, the human race would stagnate.
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Old 08-24-2009, 07:46 PM
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Im not really scared of death, we all gotta die sometime.

I beleive that when you die, you get reincarnated as another human the second you die. I dont really tend to believe in all that hell an heaven mumbo jumbo, as I am a strong atheist, but I do respect peoples beleifs. Know one will ever know until its actually happeed to them.
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:06 PM
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I agree with those saying that nobody should focus on death-- enjoy life while you have it, because it's the only one you've got. As said in the other death thread, I fear dying more than I fear death itself-- you never know how painfully you're going to die. Or if it's even painful at all.

Humanity's focus on death is unfortunate.

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Old 08-24-2009, 10:50 PM
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The entire human population could indeed squeeze into Texas, but they would be slowly starving to death, seeing as there wouldn't be room for farms to support them.
The earth is currently massively overpopulated, never mind what would happen if everyone stopped dying. Right now, it would take land space equal to three earths to support everyone in the world if they lived in the lifestyle of an average Westerner.
We're most definately overcrowded if equality of everyone is impossible.

Birth rate decreases never compensate even closely to expanding population. If everyone was immortal, forced sterilization would be the only way to make it work.
No we wouldn't. We could easily dedicate much of the rest of the planet to agriculture, and, as we already ship most of food, this wouldn't have much impact what-so-ever. Our current world-starvation/dehydration/disease issues don't stem from our lack of resources, but rather, that they are over concentrated among the rich, and that the rich have meddled with the land in which the greater poor live. For example, there was not widespread starvation in eastern Africa before the continent was artificially broken up into smaller nations, controlled by the European nation. This process interrupted the seasonal migratory patterns of the citizens of what are now known as Ethiopia and the Sudan.

And we aren't even living in vertical cities yet. Not to mention, improvements in transhuman technology will improve upon our natural efficiency, allowing us to survive on smaller amounts of food and water for longer periods of time.

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The ethics of immortality or even just expanded life is something that has surprisingly not been brought up yet. A world without death necessarily becomes a world without birth, which is something I find disturbing. Without a constant supply of new, unique individuals, how can humanity grow? We would be stuck with the same people, the same thoughts, there would be no new and radical thinkers and doers to revoloutionise the system. Without diversity, the human race would stagnate.
Why do people think we're not diverse right now, or that we wont be capable of more than we are now when we're thousands of times more intelligent and efficient?

Over time, the life expectancy of the human population has risen, and birth rates have dropped. By your axiom that longer lifetimes and lower birthrates equals less progress and innovation we should have also steadily slowed in technological progress as time went on, but the opposite has occurred.
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:06 AM
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Re: Your Stance on Death

I have to agree with 8bit on this, that the human race as a whole will only continue to become more efficient as time progresses. Then add the factor of natural evolution to the mix, which, admittedly, could be either good or bad, depending on future events. This opens up millions of unknown avenues of travel for humans as a species, and by travel I mean in our journey of evolution and refining into a better organism.

On another note, I do believe that if or when humans discover the capability to live indefinitely, it will be a serious turn in a bad direction. I believe that it is the knowledge that our time here is limited that gives us the drive to get as much out of our lives as we possibly can. Without this limit looming over our heads, would humans have the ambition to accomplish anything worthwhile, or would that be the start of our decay?

As for the religious aspects of this, I personally believe in no god, and instead follow philosophies and principals based off of common sense and what I perceive in this world. Seeing as these are my personal beliefs I will refrain from going in depth about them. Dont want to be seen as preaching for myself . So yeah, there are my two cents.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:41 AM
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Re: Your Stance on Death

There is a certain substance found within the body that causes death by accumulation, it is directly linked to cell death.

Cells normally regenerate, but eventually this trash substance causes our bodies to break down and die. I forget what it is called, but it is controlled genetically.

This is why some live longer than others. If we could manipulate those genes, it would be possible to attain very long lifespans and eternal youth. Functionally forever.


I afraid you are trying to apply logic to an illogical world.

The world is not working together. They never will. The world is already decaying, already dying. Humanity is a lesson in too little and likely too late. They let petty squabbles get in the way of the bigger picture. Every single time.

If people could live "forever", it wouldn't change a thing. They would still kill each other. Natural death really doesn't have any influence of humanity.
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:44 AM
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You cannot weaken from nothing.

What progress has humanity made in recent years that has done anything to prolong the life of the species?

The way I see it, the only thing humanity has done is equip itself with the tools of its inevitable destruction.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:30 AM
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What progress has humanity made in recent years that has done anything to prolong the life of the species?

The way I see it, the only thing humanity has done is equip itself with the tools of its inevitable destruction.
What? Some of our biggest advancements have been in the last 20 years, hell, in the last two years. Contrast the difference between 1990 and today, with the difference between 1880 and 1900. What happened in the latter period? Well, the car has caught on... not much other than that, though the automobile is a pretty useful tool.

What happened between 1990 and today? We took the relatively small network called the 'Internet' and expanded it. What was once used almost exclusively by schools and businesses on a very slow 28kb connection, if that, is now a huge network who's complexity and collective processing power out numbers the human brain. About two to one. It's a network that the average, middle class, person uses every day on a high speed connection- able to play video, audio, games, and pretty much any other type of media at a click. I would state how much information is collectively held over this network, but it changes so quickly it's nearly impossible to do. IBM predicts that within a few months the amount of information held on the Internet will double ever 11 hours. It's changed the entire way we consume. It's changed how we've learned. Incredibly small segments of the Internet, almost insignificant in comparison to the whole, have permanently and seriously changed the way I live my life and the way I've developed- Google, Wikipedia, etc... Wikipedia by itself is an incredibly powerful knowledge extension product, and it has seriously impacted how I think about the world around me today.

And the Internet is only a chunk of what we've done in the last 20 years. Consider the difference in processing power- In 1990 we were capable of about 8 kiloFLOPS on a high end home computer. Today up to about 70 gigaFLOPS are possible on a high end home computer. That's about 9000000 times more powerful. Yes. Nine million. In just 20 years we have multiplied what can be possibly done in any period of time by NINE ♥♥♥♥ING MILLION. That is far, far, over 9000.

Now, imagine where we're going to be in the next twenty years; the next forty years. Within your 'lifetime'. It becomes very reasonable to begin to think that one's lifetime may never end- at least, not within this side of the next 1 trillion years.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:44 AM
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Right and what have the wonders of the internet gotten us?

Not peace, not agreement. Just a forum for people to speak their thoughts, which in the majority of cases, is nothing but hate and intolerance. Oh, and porn. Lots and lots of porn. We have WoW now, though. Progress.

The world needs a reboot in attitude. Just because people can communicate easily, does not mean they will communicate constructively.

Cars have just gotten us into a situation where we have to drastically modify them in order for them to stop doing damage to the environment.

Better computers, and what do we use them for? Games. Missile systems. War.

Oh yea and what else have we made in the last 100 years? Nuclear weapons. Better living through annihilating others. Weaponized germs. Nerve gas. Guns and lots of them.

Where is the progress?

Where is understanding each other, and where is peace?
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:37 AM
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Right and what have the wonders of the internet gotten us?
The largest knowledge base in the history of humanity?

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Not peace, not agreement. Just a forum for people to speak their thoughts, which in the majority of cases, is nothing but hate and intolerance. Oh, and porn. Lots and lots of porn.
What's wrong with porn?

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The world needs a reboot in attitude. Just because people can communicate easily, does not mean they will communicate constructively.
But... they do. Not always, but it's not like the Internet is used exclusively for nonconstructive criticism.

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Better computers, and what do we use them for? Games. Missile systems. War.
And curing diseases.

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Oh yea and what else have we made in the last 100 years? Nuclear weapons. Better living through annihilating others.
And nuclear power...

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Weaponized germs.
And antibiotics...

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Where is the progress?
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:50 AM
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and where is peace?

I don't see any of it. It isn't here even in this country, it definitely isn't present in the world at large.

I don't care how long I live, not if there is such a large chance I get killed in an unnatural manner.

My lineage has always been long lived anyway.


Antibiotics do not balance out germ warfare, nothing you posted balances out the horrors humanity has invented.

Most areas still work on coal/oil power.

Porn is irrelevant, that was my point. Most of the information is irrelevant. Useless trivia.

You really can't claim that those things have even a fraction of the impact of the destructive progresses. They don't have a cure for any of the major life threatening illnesses. As we speak people are getting blown up by bombs and being shot to death with guns. If in the near future, a rogue state was to get its hands on a nuclear warhead, we would be screwed.

There are places in this world you simply cannot go, because they WILL kill you. What has your internet done to alleviate that? Where is the solution?

As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.

Hostility is widespread. Hate is everywhere. The internet is not full of acceptance. Before you could delude yourself into believing the world was not full of hate and bigotry, now with the internet such a delusion is impossible, unless you avoid contact with the internet.
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:19 AM
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As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.
So, assuming everything is exactly as you claim it - a hopelessly pessimistic, one sided, ironically spiteful view, we should simply give up now? Because we are destined to fail? Your post reminds me of a quote from Moe: "Peace and serenity? Well it's about Damn time!!".
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:42 AM
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and where is peace?

I don't see any of it. It isn't here even in this country, it definitely isn't present in the world at large.

I don't care how long I live, not if there is such a large chance I get killed in an unnatural manner.

My lineage has always been long lived anyway.


Antibiotics do not balance out germ warfare, nothing you posted balances out the horrors humanity has invented.

Most areas still work on coal/oil power.

Porn is irrelevant, that was my point. Most of the information is irrelevant. Useless trivia.

You really can't claim that those things have even a fraction of the impact of the destructive progresses. They don't have a cure for any of the major life threatening illnesses. As we speak people are getting blown up by bombs and being shot to death with guns. If in the near future, a rogue state was to get its hands on a nuclear warhead, we would be screwed.

There are places in this world you simply cannot go, because they WILL kill you. What has your internet done to alleviate that? Where is the solution?

As it stands this world would be far better off if everyone simply vanished.

Hostility is widespread. Hate is everywhere. The internet is not full of acceptance. Before you could delude yourself into believing the world was not full of hate and bigotry, now with the internet such a delusion is impossible, unless you avoid contact with the internet.
I do not mean to come off as spiteful (though I have a feeling I will) but for someone who accuses us of not knowing what "love" is (see debate with Evilsbane) you're rather harsh to condemn the entire world to die, aren't you?

Somehow, I fail to see any love in that statement at all.

Also, I don't think the internet would neccesarily be irrelevant - you disregard the usages of wikipedia and google. I fail to see how, when I would be interested in searching up something on, say "String theory" in physics (something I don't understand, though lol), not having the internet, or, indeed, any of humanity's inventions, would then make my life any easier when I'd want to compute something complex.

As for that thing about peace: isn't that what humanity is all about? Conflict? If we continually think it's horrible, the world becomes a horrible place to live. You then wonder why someone who lives in Ethiopia (a formerly well-to-do foreigner, from what I remember), amongst some of the poorest people in the world, can still say that they're "happy", even amidst so many dying every day?

Technically, I would have assumed that person to be have been even more pessimistic than you were...

Meh. Perhaps I should ask myself, before I sign off for the night, "Who am I to say any of this?" (probably ask yourself the same question, I'm quite stupid, after all. ^^)

~read~ - Believing that self-pessimism prevails over global pessimism!
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:20 AM
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well, on the topic of the OP, honestly, im not scared or afraid of death. just a wee.. nervous for the lack of a better word. im darn sure that when i do die, Jesus Chirst'll be accompanying me up to the pearly gates.
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Well, to actually answer the thread question, I'm very afraid of death, because the only experience I have ever known is existing, and the idea of no longer experiencing or being anything, scares me immensely. It's not the idea of eternal nothingness, rather the idea of 'not being'. You can see the trouble that comes with attempting to comprehend it. Obviously when I cease to be, I won't be around to feel dissapointed, but the idea of that nothing irks me very very much.

Although, an afterlife would be awfully convinient. Yet the probability of that occurance is hopelessly low. Happily, however, I certainly won't feel hard done by if life doesnt have a 'point'. I enjoy thinking that perhaps I embellished a few points along the way, and the idea that all will become clear upon death is simply silly. Besides, Monty Python's the Meaning of Life has already provided me with ...relevant insight.

Edvard Munch, the painter of The Scream, said a quote that stuck with me, in regard to death:
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From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity. -- Edvard Munch
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:19 PM
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If someone can call themselves happy, that does not speak to the global state of affairs.

I am not talking about one person.

I am talking about the entire human race. Any outside observer would want nothing to do with us.

Yes, on an individual basis we can be wonderful.

But as a whole, we are nothing but primitive warmongers. I'm not saying it is your fault or my fault, but I do say that we can do nothing about it as individuals.

Our current course leads to destruction. There needs to be a new beginning. A radical altering.

If you die happy, that does not mean the world is not doomed to destruction at the hands of the human race.

Love does not equal blind optimism. I have love, but I do not hope, because I have foresight.
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