Future US States

Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio should combine together to form one large province. This newly formed province would then secede from the Union and then annex into Canada. The majority of the Great Lakes will finally be ours.

California should be annexed into Mexico.

Oregon, Washington, part of Idaho, and British Columbia should secede from their home countries to form a brand new country.

In all seriousness, I am happy about how we are as of current. We don't need to shove anymore countries/territories into America. Though the first idea that I proposed is tempting...

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

I'm very amused reading this thread. Mostly because Americans still seem to think people want to be annexed by them.

Yes there is stong anti-American sentiment in the world, but it's not nearly as bad now as it has been before. Public opinion of the US after the Vietnam war was much lower than it is now. Also, if you look at the public opinion of the US this year, and compare it to last year's polls, you can see that it's clearly gone up by a significant amount. I say in the next couple of years the world's opinion of the US will go back up to what it was pre-Bush.

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

I'm very amused reading this thread. Mostly because Americans still seem to think people want to be annexed by them.

*Imagines Iraq and Afghanistan becoming US states*

*laughs*

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

The US never attacked Texas. They sent them a bill for its annexation, it passed in the Texan legislation, Texas then became a state. Texas was never attacked by anyone but Mexico.

I think Link was talking about when the Confederate states tried to leave the union during the American Civil War.

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

I'm very amused reading this thread. Mostly because Americans still seem to think people want to be annexed by them.

I agree, its only a matter of time before Manifest Destiny pops up. Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are the only ones I think we should annex, mainly because we already own them anyway.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

I think Link was talking about when the Confederate states tried to leave the union during the American Civil War.

In that case, the Confederates were the ones who instigated the war (when they attacked Fort Sumter), not the Union.

Originally Posted by John Henry Eden

Yes there is stong anti-American sentiment in the world, but it's not nearly as bad now as it has been before. Public opinion of the US after the Vietnam war was much lower than it is now. Also, if you look at the public opinion of the US this year, and compare it to last year's polls, you can see that it's clearly gone up by a significant amount. I say in the next couple of years the world's opinion of the US will go back up to what it was pre-Bush.

It's not about public opinion of the US, it's just that you think that everyone is willing to blindly lose their identity and pride as a nation just to join your "Great American Empire".

Australia has no real problem with the US and follows it along to all of its wars, but we would certainly never accept being annexed by the US, and I suspect neither would Canada.

Originally Posted by Slur

Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio should combine together to form one large province. This newly formed province would then secede from the Union and then annex into Canada. The majority of the Great Lakes will finally be ours.

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Originally Posted by John Henry Eden

Yes there is stong anti-American sentiment in the world, but it's not nearly as bad now as it has been before. Public opinion of the US after the Vietnam war was much lower than it is now. Also, if you look at the public opinion of the US this year, and compare it to last year's polls, you can see that it's clearly gone up by a significant amount. I say in the next couple of years the world's opinion of the US will go back up to what it was pre-Bush.

You don't really get it do you? It has nothing to do with the world's opinion of you. It's about these silly American imperialist ideas.

No matter how good the world's opinion of you it's not going to affect their decision in giving up their freedom or not. No country on this planet would ever just say "Hey, come on it, we don't mind you setting up shop," not even Mexico. The civilized countries wouldn't because they'd gain nothing from it and lose quite a bit, and the not-so-civilized because of what they'd gain. They don't want overlords, or people who are going to enforce their values on them. They may have problems, but it's theirs to work through and if they'd like help, they can ask but it's not for America, or Britain, or any other nation to step in and fix for them.

Originally Posted by Cody

It's not about public opinion of the US, it's just that you think that everyone is willing to blindly lose their identity and pride as a nation just to join your "Great American Empire".

I think you've just completely misunderstood my position on this. I don't want to see the US go on some giant conquest, I was merely saying that there are some nations that could benefit from joining the US. Take, for example Guyana. 350,000 Guyanese now live in the US, with only half that many remaining in their home country. Of those remaining, 100,000 of them have applied for US citizenship.

Australia has no real problem with the US and follows it along to all of its wars, but we would certainly never accept being annexed by the US, and I suspect neither would Canada.

It seems that people haven't actually read the part of my post on Canada, they just saw that Canada was mentioned and assumed that I was all for marching troops into that country and trying to take it over. In reality, I would agree that trying to annex Canada would be stupid, and it's never going to happen anyway, unless the US wishes to break the North Atlantic Treaty, which I doubt it does.

No matter how good the world's opinion of you it's not going to affect their decision in giving up their freedom or not. No country on this planet would ever just say "Hey, come on it, we don't mind you setting up shop," not even Mexico.

I would agree that Mexico becoming part of the US is also unlikley, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyway. If the US does gain more states it would probably be because some of its current states split up, or some of the nations already under our control decide to become states.

Unless i misheard Puerto Rico does not WANT to become a state. The Soviets tried to control too much land and looked what happened to them.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Unless i misheard Puerto Rico does not WANT to become a state. The Soviets tried to control too much land and looked what happened to them.

The Soviets forced countries to join them. A free and democratic decision to unify is a different thing entirely. It hasn't done the EU any harm (though progress is slow, every country is there of its own free will).

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

The Soviets forced countries to join them. A free and democratic decision to unify is a different thing entirely. It hasn't done the EU any harm (though progress is slow, every country is there of its own free will).

Well it's also kind of a fact that the EU is mostly a commercial entity (however much they attempt to deny it), so it's not like a federal union or anything like that, which is probably the reason why everyone is so eager to get in on the action.

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

I'm very amused reading this thread. Mostly because Americans still seem to think people want to be annexed by them.

Puerto Ricans want it, since I'm sure they wouldn't mind being able to vote.

http://www.prstatehood.com/news/poll_071408.pdf

Originally Posted by Lord Zero

Well it's also kind of a fact that the EU is mostly a commercial entity (however much they attempt to deny it), so it's not like a federal union or anything like that, which is probably the reason why everyone is so eager to get in on the action.

It started out as a commercial entity but the EU has grown to encompass all sorts of areas. Each country is still its own country, but the EU is clearly moving towards unified nationhood. I don't personally have a problem with that, so long as individual member states retain their own cultural identity to some degree and so long as the political process is accessible and transparent.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

It started out as a commercial entity but the EU has grown to encompass all sorts of areas.

So they say, since I had that in mind when I posted. Though they have extended to other areas, the primary purpose of the treaties, and the focus of most EU legislation, is for the furthering of commercial purposes.

Each country is still its own country, but the EU is clearly moving towards unified nationhood. I don't personally have a problem with that, so long as individual member states retain their own cultural identity to some degree and so long as the political process is accessible and transparent.

Personally I'm all for a federalized Europe, cultural identity or not.

Originally Posted by Lord Zero

So they say, since I had that in mind when I posted. Though they have extended to other areas, the primary purpose of the treaties, and the focus of most EU legislation, is for the furthering of commercial purposes.

The court of human rights and environmental regulation are non-commercial.

Personally I'm all for a federalized Europe, cultural identity or not.

Well the only way it could infringe on cultural identity would be if individual member states had no autonomy whatsoever. Which would be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

The court of human rights and environmental regulation are non-commercial.

The European Court of Human Rights has absolutely nothing to do with the European Union, and environmental regulation may not be a big commercial thing but you can hardly do commerce if there's no world to profit from can you?

Well the only way it could infringe on cultural identity would be if individual member states had no autonomy whatsoever. Which would be a bad thing.

I don't think you need autonomy for cultural integrity - look at Wales.

First of all who has said that we should annex Canada and Mexico? Thats the first I've heard of it, unless they are thinking of the proposed "North American Union"

It's about these silly American imperialist ideas.

Like father (country) like son (country).

If any of the territories that the US currently holds decide that they wish to join the United States as actual states, I say power to them. The idea that we shouldn't admit them because it would ruin our nice even 50 is probably the silliest thing I've ever heard. It's just a number.

Perhaps some day down the road we could fuse with Mexico, but I think most Americans wouldn't like the idea and I don't think we could handle that at the moment. I also don't think that the Mexican people really want to give up their identity by simply being annexed by America, but I can't really speak for them either.

I can never see us ever fusing with Canada. They've been our friend and ally, but I don't think they'd like to be part of us.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Cody: I just heard that the Democrats agreed to remove that section from the bill. Now can you explain to me how they can remove a section on death panels if they don't exist?

I know this is off topic, but really I can't look past this.
The "death panel" term was applied to a section of the bill that would "require Medicare to cover voluntary consultations between individuals and their doctors about end of life care, including whether or not to write a living will."

It is also interesting to note that this type of legislation has been backed by Republicans in the past.

Well if Russia can get away with it during the Chines Olympics, why shouldn't we be allowed to do it?

Originally Posted by Vynrah

I know this is off topic, but really I can't look past this.
The "death panel" term was applied to a section of the bill that would "require Medicare to cover voluntary consultations between individuals and their doctors about end of life care, including whether or not to write a living will."

It is also interesting to note that this type of legislation has been backed by Republicans in the past.

There's another thread called Man brings loaded gun to protest where we can discuss this. Anyway i agree that's not the original intent but the Government has a funny way of going back on their word.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

The Soviets tried to control too much land and looked what happened to them.

The Soviets expansionism had nothing to do with their downfall. It was their blatant disregard for their economy that destroyed them.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

(though progress is slow, every country is there of its own free will).

Even Ireland?

Unless every EU member state takes referendums asking their people how far they wish their involvement to go with it, then it's not really free will, just politicians making decisions without consulting the people.

Originally Posted by TalAarahk

Puerto Ricans want it, since I'm sure they wouldn't mind being able to vote.

http://www.prstatehood.com/news/poll_071408.pdf

Puerto Rico is in practise already apart of your country. Just not democratically.

Originally Posted by Young Old Man

Like father (country) like son (country).

Ah yes, I can see how I am so wrong and silly now. Just because Britain pushed an Imperial policy one hundred years ago, it makes it the totally right thing to do now. Yes, I am such a fool.


Also Britain is a woman.

Originally Posted by Devia Erasmus

Well if Russia can get away with it during the Chines Olympics, why shouldn't we be allowed to do it?

It defines little. And yet so much.