The Three Types of Civilizations

Originally Posted by 8bit

World socialism must come first, and then the state should slowly wither away. Sure, we're not going to see world socialism in 50 years, but 200? I think 200 is a pretty good bet.

It would if people had communism in mind. If they don't I highly doubt they'd attempt to weaken the government. Socialism is possible, but it probably wont be what Marx had in mind.

Originally Posted by CVN-76

It would if people had communism in mind. If they don't I highly doubt they'd attempt to weaken the government. Socialism is possible, but it probably wont be what Marx had in mind.

Communism, no, but Socialism? It's very possible that a majority of the world will support a world socialist state by that time, considering that Only 53% on adult Americans support capitalism, while the numbers get better and better the younger you get. This is, of course, according to Rasmussen, who are generally conservative, and, this excludes anyone under 18.

Yeah Socialism would probably rule the world under a world government, exactly why I would be opposed to the idea. I would even prefer Anarcho-Capitalism rather than Socialism. Infact I would be pretty afraid of a world government that was too centralized. Anyways I'm not too sure about the need for a world government to get us into a 'Type 1' civilization. I do think within the next century you will see the rise in superstates. East Asian Union, Semitic Union, African Union, South American Union, and some kind of Pan-Turkic/Central Asian Union will either be formed or pre-existing ones will take a more powerful role. America seems to already be leading the world in space exploration as it is. And I doubt Humans anytime soon will come together and unite as one in the name of science. I honestly think corporations will do a lot for the emerging space age.

Originally Posted by FlashX

Yeah Socialism would probably rule the world under a world government, exactly why I would be opposed to the idea. I would even prefer Anarcho-Capitalism rather than Socialism. Infact I would be pretty afraid of a world government that was too centralized.

Why?

Originally Posted by 8bit

I think it's important to note that the goal will be to remove all unwanted death. You are perfectly welcome to off yourself.

Thank you.

This only issue is the eventual universal heat death in a trillion years... While it might not make logical sense that we would be able to overcome that today, perhaps once we're vastly more intelligent we'll be able to think of a way. Afterall, we do have a trillion years at minimum.

Yeah; I don't think we need to worry about it right now.

Today? 19.1612 years. Yourself? (Not to the hour, obviously. I was just bored, and felt figuring that out.)

25. Please note that I'm not saying you'll be suicidally bored by the time you're 25.

World socialism must come first, and then the state should slowly wither away. Sure, we're not going to see world socialism in 50 years, but 200? I think 200 is a pretty good bet.

World socialism I have no problem envisioning. Communism just doesn't seem likely to follow.

Originally Posted by 8bit

Communism, no, but Socialism? It's very possible that a majority of the world will support a world socialist state by that time, considering that Only 53% on adult Americans support capitalism, while the numbers get better and better the younger you get. This is, of course, according to Rasmussen, who are generally conservative, and, this excludes anyone under 18.

No, Socialism, but no Communism. The nations of the world will most likley use socialism in their economy, but not in their government, and I doubt they'll even try to push toward communism.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

25. Please note that I'm not saying you'll be suicidally bored by the time you're 25.

OH GOD I HOPE NOT

World socialism I have no problem envisioning. Communism just doesn't seem likely to follow.

Which is understandable- it'd be incredibly difficult to understand and predict the shift to communism if you weren't already socialist. Likewise, if you were living in a slave society (A two class society in which the lower class is controlled directly by the upper class, who is one individual or a very small group individuals, often perceived to be a god or gods.) how could you envision a society in which goods are freely traded without the supervision of a supreme ruler? A very, very small portion of the society likely even saw that as possible, however, the less radical idea of giving control of sections of land which you own to people directly below you, and allowing them to do the same in order to lessen the burden on the supreme ruler became very popular- and from that point we saw a drop in micromanagement from the supreme leader, thus, capitalism became more and more believable.

So, how could we possibly live in a society without laws or capital? It might not make sense today, but when living in a society in which you make the laws, and capital is awarded based upon the amount of work contributed, it might make a little more sense.

No, Socialism, but no Communism. The nations of the world will most likley use socialism in their economy, but not in their government, and I doubt they'll even try to push toward communism.

Why do you say that? We seem to be moving in the direction of a democracy or representative democracy, so why would this just suddenly be abandoned?

Originally Posted by 8bit

Why do you say that? We seem to be moving in the direction of a democracy or representative democracy, so why would this just suddenly be abandoned?

Bah, I don't want to turn this into another communism thread, so I'll leave it at this. People want a more socialist econmy purely because they want stability. Hardly anyone in America could be described as anything more than a moderate socialist. And if we do become communist, I don't think we'll make it to a Type 2 civilization.