God says: All gay-haters should be burned to death.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Which goes back to my "this world is ruled by Satan" statement.

...y'know, I don't have much to say to that. Just read on.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Hitler didn't create the Aryans to serve him.
He isn't their maker.

You cannot compare Hitler to God.
You might say: "Well, God is sending all the people that don't follow Him to Hell, just like Hitler killed all the Jews just because he didn't like them.

Perhaps it was wrong to compare the real, tangible Hitler to the meatphysical. However, I can compare the real, tangible Hitler to your real, tangible church. It, like Hitler did, uses brainwashing, propaganda, and suppression to make people believe what it wants them to. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's right hand man, said explicitly "If you tell a lie enough times, people will eventually take it as truth." Pick up 1984. It proves my point wondrously.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

But God doesn't send people to Hell.

In Christianity, there are only two ways to go, either you choose to let God be your master, or you choose Satan. When you die, if you didn't choose God, then it is equivalent to choosing Satan as your master, so you are being put with who you chose.

Y'know what Christians I like? Those who don't condemn others. But y'know what Christians I really like? Those which don't even think, "Uh oh, Bob likes men. He's probably going to hell." It's those ones that follow the preachings of Christ, the ones that love their neighbours, the ones that know that kindness and love are rewarded by kindness and love, be it from a man to a woman or a man to a man.

Thing is, until Christians can start giving secular reasons why homosexuality is wrong, they will not be taken seriously by our secular society; perhaps that's why so many of them are so angry, and resort to thinking "Oh, well, if I'm not right, the entire world must be taken over by sin! That's gotta be it! My one religion out of thousands couldn't possibly be wrong!"

Anyway, before I veer any further off topic, I'm gonna go ahead and head off to bed.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Anyone can be a Christian.
However, if a homosexual were truly Christian, they wouldn't desire to be homosexual any longer.

But even if that was true, not wanting to be gay doesn't make you any less gay.

And then the Saints came marching in!

Woot.

Sorry, I'm back to bother the living and the misguided. Hang on. The latter statement refers exclusively to myself.

But God doesn't send people to Hell.

In Christianity, there are only two ways to go, either you choose to let God be your master, or you choose Satan. When you die, if you didn't choose God, then it is equivalent to choosing Satan as your master, so you are being put with who you chose.

And then Catholicism stated that there was Purgatory, and then the Latter-Day Saints (or was it Jehovah's Witnesses? I can't remember there are just so many different Christian sects) said "follow us or you'll go to Hell regardless of if you're Catholic, Protestant, or anything!" Excuse the extrapolation, I just love how every Christian has varying degrees of condemnation on this issue.

Anyone can be a Christian.
However, if a homosexual were truly Christian, they wouldn't desire to be homosexual any longer.

Sounds great!

Question: Is that fair on gay people?

Oh, wait. Sorry, I read some more of your post.

I've seen homosexual converted heterosexual on the Christian board I often frequent. With God, anything is possible.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any. Call me ignorant, but there don't appear to be many cases of homosexual converted heterosexual as the one you've used as an example.

Kudos to your friend, though. ^^

Oh, and the one, final, teensy, weensy little point:

But God doesn't send people to Hell.

In Christianity, there are only two ways to go, either you choose to let God be your master, or you choose Satan. When you die, if you didn't choose God, then it is equivalent to choosing Satan as your master, so you are being put with who you chose.

So if there's the choice between having a virtuous, hard-working and upstanding atheist who does, say, a lot of charity work but (obviously) doesn't believe in God, and a Christian who's not-so-virtuous (but still attends Mass every week) does that make the atheist damned for life?

Logic, as you would have it, is either subjective or very strange indeed, if your answer is an affirmative. Perhaps Safer's suggestion is the call of the order...

Ah, yes, but unfortunately logic like this has no place in our secular society.

~read~

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

God created us for a purpose, though.
Everyone is going against that purpose in favor of their own purposes.
He created Adam and Eve to become husband and wife, and the same goes for all future generations afterward.

Genesis 2:24
"Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
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Yes, apparently all mariage is supposed to bond both Genders together. Isn't this what Christians can't deal with? Just becuase people are of different genders Dosen't mean they can't bond. If Christians got rid of this value the world would be a magical place.
Plus, the only thing Heterosexulas have that Homosexuals don't is reproduction, if a greater force is brainwashing people to only like the opposite Gender, then that greater force does not care about people feelings, and is simply using us.
Plus: are you preaching?

All the sects you've listed above, as I believe, are corrupt.
They bring shame upon the Christian faith.

I'm not condemning anyone, I'm just trying to answer Nictel's (and everyone else's) question(s) to the best of my ability.

Really? Oops. Remind me to turn off the TV when the Vatican's being shown.

Question: Is that fair to God?
He created us for a reason, and that reason wasn't so that we could live for ourselves.

Then of course everyone asks "Why did he/He give us free will?"

And Christians answer "To give us all the chance to follow him/Him of our own accord."

To which one wonders why free will was ever useful, in that sense.

Of course, since I'm arguing strictly with my little nuance of Christian knowledge, I apologise to mod and Sahrrie if it looks like I'm religion bashing.

Why would I call you ignorant?
Many cases of homosexual aren't true believers.
In fact, most claim-to-be Christians aren't true believers, either.

Self deprecation is the key to having fun in life.

Ahh...well, I guess everyone is a "true believer" depending on who's judging them.

In fact, some "true believers" probably thought that killing Dr. Tiller, the "OMFGIT'STHEABORTIONDOCTOR" man was justified.

Which then begs the question of why some people class them as true believers, others don't, and who's right?

Oh, yes, and even New Testament is soo interpretive. It's rather hard to decide what's definitive, isn't it?

Yes, it does, because the atheist never put their faith in Christ.
They believed they could in effect "save themselves" by doing good deeds.

So that's the nice way of classifying all atheists as selfish self-satisfying persons, is it?



That's certainly a rather insulting inference, if I read your post and the implicit generalisation correctly.

~read~

PS: Oof. I apologise about the wearing out. It's only evening here, and I'm feeling spritely and disjointed.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

I need to double-check here because I'm not sure I understand.
you are saying that if you are gay, and beleive in god, got will take away your homosexuality?

Funny how the Greeks praised homosexuality as a blessing to keep Spartans together. Christianity is just anothe religion that dosen't like it.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

God created us for a purpose - that purpose is to serve Him, not ourselves.

That right there is a big, big part of why I could never be a christian, because the idea of me existing to serve someone else goes against everything I stand for.

also: WHY create tons of peope for the sole purpose of serving him?
what is the point of that?

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Homosexual desires aren't righteous in the sight of God.
God says that if you put faith in Him, he will take away all unrighteousness.
I'm going to bed for now.

I need to double-check here because I'm not sure I understand.
you are saying that if you are gay, and beleive in god, got will take away your homosexuality?

Am I correct in thinking that you have put your faith in god?
has he taken all your unrighteousness away?
are you a perfectly righteous person?

[whoa, something went crazy-wrong while updating my post, so I'll have to re-post it. I'm sorry for any confusion this may have caused]

Originally Posted by Phazon goron

Christianity is just anothe religion that dosen't like it.

And you're just another teenager who doesn't like Christianity. I don't really see your point with this.

Originally Posted by Nictel

Now besides some silly books written by men with penis issues, there is no proof that God doesn't actually approve of homosexuality.

Are you sure?

Genesis 19 tells a story that leads to say acting on homosexuality is a sinful act. It's in the Bible for a reason.

Leviticus 18 is self-explanatory.

The two parts of Romans go together. I excluded what was in between for general lack of necessity to mention. In Romans 1:32, it also points out that it's people that do homosexual acts are the ones that are condemned, not the ones that are just homosexual by birth or by traumatizing experience.

As Romans does, Corinthians also has two parts that were purposefully not connected by the verses in between. The second part addresses how when someone has Christ in them, they are new creations. While the homosexuality may still be there, the wish to express it is gone, effectively making it "disappear".



I am a Christian, and I am against homosexuality, but not homosexuals. If I make a friend who is homosexual, I'm going to try and help them realize that it's wrong eventually. If I didn't say anything, I'd be more of a "gay-hater" than if I did say something. Why? Simply because, I don't wish that they should have to go to hell. If I say nothing, it means that I don't care about them enough to want better for them than to suffer.

That's not accurate about all "Christians", however, as some may tend to take The Word as enough reason to spite homosexuals and not even try to care for them as they should be doing. I'm not one of those. Nor do I approve of their actions.

I am also aware that homosexuality isn't something that just goes away. My bisexuality won't go away. My fetishes won't go away. But that's not to say that a homosexual can't be happier actively avoiding any homosexual lusts knowing there's something for them after this life. It's not to say I'm not happier already, knowing there's eternal salvation waiting for me, instead of indulging in the fetishes that I'm so incredibly tempted to give into.

Also, even being Christian does not mean I agree with the views of other "Christians" (although I have not checked to see if I agree or disagree with anyone in this thread). Reason being: I do not acknowledge everyone who calls themselves a Christian as a Christian. Just because I say I'm the ruler of the world doesn't make me the ruler of the world, and there are people out there who call themselves Christians without believing what a Christian must believe. There's a church nearby my house, in fact, that calls itself a Christian church, while holding not Christian beliefs, but pagan beliefs.

I think that as long as the person is happy its fine.

im not against any homosexuals i just dont realy approve.

Originally Posted by Adam 2

I feel iffy citing developmental biology as evidence when I'm arguing the part of a Christian biblethumper, but even discarding evolution, I'm sure Christians could see how the prostate of a male is developmentally homologous to...whatever the technical name of the portion of female anatomy responsible for G-spot orgasms (Wikipedia says it's likely the Skene's gland, and backs up that it's homologous to the prostate).

Without going into too much details, accessible via anal sex.

Originally Posted by Adam 2

Yeah, we call that anecdotal evidence, and it really doesn't cut it. Given the number of factors that can effect this, I'd rather wait for an actual study.

There are actual studies. Most likely, the result is part genetics, and part how you grow as a person - sexual orientation grows with you.
And dismissing is as 'anecdotal' is very irrelevant as the majority of bisexuals (and probably homosexuals) can agree with me here. I believe it's, as Astarael put it, "fluid".

Originally Posted by Adam 2

I've honestly never really taken this position, so I don't know what leads people to believe the sexuality is a choice (upon a little Googling, maybe it's because some people are).

People believe it's a choice because someone proposed that as one of the causes - but then dismissed what they said - but ideas seem to stick among bigots. :/

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Anyone can be a Christian.
However, if a homosexual were truly Christian, they wouldn't desire to be homosexual any longer.

"Desire to be homosexual"? Being homosexual isn't a "desire", much like being heterosexual isn't a "desire".

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

I've seen homosexual converted heterosexual on the Christian board I often frequent.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

Christian board

Your argument is hereby dismissed as "idiotic". Repeat a lie a hundred times and it becomes truth - that's the foundation on "converting homosexuals".

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

With God, anything is possible.

...Said my father, who converted to Christianity and died two years later.

Let me just set one thing straight here: the Christians that you are talking about here- these "hate spreading" Christians aren't Christians. They are being misled. God tells us to "treat others as we would like to be treated" and that includes EVERYBODY. Gay, straight, Satanist, Wiccan, murderous serial killer, everyone.

They are as much Christian as you - don't pull any no true Scotsman fallacy here, missy.

I believe that it is Satan who is responsible for homosexuality.

Oh, so you are basically saying that God is inferior to Satan? Interesting.

In fact, I could pull the card you pulled above - you aren't a true Christian for believing Satan does all this. You know why I refrain from doing this? Yeah, I'm not bigoted. I'm not the one to say who is Christian or not.

I, for instance, have OCD.
OCD is a disorder in which one has an odd passing thought (for instance, if you see a knife, and imagine stabbing someone with it) and dwells on said thought, trying to rationalize and make sense of it. The person with OCD will think about the thought and be given to anxiety and depression over it because they think that because they had that fleeting thought, they MUST be a serial killer, and so on so forth. This doesn't necessarily mean they want to stab someone with the knife, it just means they had a strange passing thought.

Thanks for comparing homosexuality to serial killing, shows how credible you are.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

If God approved of homosexual Christians, then he'd have to approve of all the people that are in Church every Sunday and are sinning. For example, all the obese 'Christians' WITHOUT medical problems. I've seen obese people that are in Church, but, the bottom line is, God doesn't approve of gluttony. (That is, if there isn't a medical problem involved.)

...And then she continues to compare homosexuality to gluttony. What an interesting girl.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

I'm not saying that they won't make Heaven.
I couldn't tell you that, because I'm not one to judge people.
However, I just know that there are certain things that do not make God happy with us, and homosexuality is one of them.

Prove it.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

You say that God isn't fair, but God made everything that you see around you.

Your book has no place in a debate because I see it as tattletales, so using it as an argument is very moot.

Well, I'm talking about good, positive possibilities. (:

What's negative about being homosexual again? Except for (primarily Christians) following them?

But God doesn't send people to Hell.

Sure he does. He created hell, remember?

In Christianity, there are only two ways to go, either you choose to let God be your master, or you choose Satan. When you die, if you didn't choose God, then it is equivalent to choosing Satan as your master, so you are being put with who you chose.

No, that's what you believe what Christianity is. I know of plenty of Christians, even on this board, that don't put Christianity like this.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

But even if that was true, not wanting to be gay doesn't make you any less gay.

This. Period.

A lot of the Churches nowadays are corrupt, I will agree to that.
I need to find a non-denominational Church that doesn't separate Christians into these little groups that you see all around.

Yeah, that's humanism.

God created us for a purpose, though.
Everyone is going against that purpose in favor of their own purposes.
He created Adam and Eve to become husband and wife, and the same goes for all future generations afterward.

Again, awful logic, as it dismisses:
homosexual couples
overpopulation
sterile couples
interracial couples
etc
etc
etc.

Christianity holds the largest number of followers out of any of the other major faiths of the world.

Oh yeah! Argumentum ad populum! Your point is valid!!11

The point is for Christians to at least try to preach the Gospel of Christ, even though it is difficult. And when they are made fun of for it, they are to behave as Jesus did, and bless them.

You seem to forget that whenever you preach the Gospel of Christ to someone, they have the same right to do the opposite to you.

All the sects you've listed above, as I believe, are corrupt.
They bring shame upon the Christian faith.

Then you aren't a true Christia- oh wait.

Question: Is that fair to God?
He created us for a reason, and that reason wasn't so that we could live for ourselves.

He created them homosexual. I win. ^_

Homosexual desires aren't righteous in the sight of God.
God says that if you put faith in Him, he will take away all unrighteousness.

Tell my dad that.

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

And you're just another teenager who doesn't like Christianity. I don't really see your point with this.

I think his point is that Christianity condemns homosexuality to counter-measure what was going in the "hedonistic" society back then.

Originally Posted by Amatería

Genesis 19 tells a story that leads to say acting on homosexuality is a sinful act. It's in the Bible for a reason.

Except that qualified scholars agree that the story of Sodom isn't about homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Amatería

Leviticus 18 is self-explanatory.

Yeah, if it wasn't next to the part about mixed fibers, shellfish, and shaving.

Originally Posted by Amatería

The two parts of Romans go together. I excluded what was in between for general lack of necessity to mention. In Romans 1:32, it also points out that it's people that do homosexual acts are the ones that are condemned, not the ones that are just homosexual by birth or by traumatizing experience.

What you are really saying is, "...in order for you to live a moral life, you can never have sexual relations and you must live a life devoid of true romantic love. You have to give up on your dreams of finding your soul mate." Prejudice often demands something of others that the prejudiced person is unwilling to demand of himself.

Originally Posted by Amatería

As Romans does, Corinthians also has two parts that were purposefully not connected by the verses in between. The second part addresses how when someone has Christ in them, they are new creations. While the homosexuality may still be there, the wish to express it is gone, effectively making it "disappear".

This assumes there's no homosexual/bisexual Christians. There's plenty of them. Even here!

Originally Posted by Amatería

I am a Christian, and I am against homosexuality, but not homosexuals.

Then you are homophobic.

Originally Posted by Amatería

If I make a friend who is homosexual, I'm going to try and help them realize that it's wrong eventually.

Guess what? You are giving them the right to call you an idiot. It's more justified, even.

Originally Posted by Amatería

If I didn't say anything, I'd be more of a "gay-hater" than if I did say something. Why? Simply because, I don't wish that they should have to go to hell.

Why would they go to hell for that? Love fulfills the law completely! Romans 13:8.

Originally Posted by Amatería

If I say nothing, it means that I don't care about them enough to want better for them than to suffer.

Your logic is surely abrasive based on that two women loving each other is condemnable with eternal punishment.

Originally Posted by Amatería

That's not accurate about all "Christians", however, as some may tend to take The Word as enough reason to spite homosexuals and not even try to care for them as they should be doing. I'm not one of those. Nor do I approve of their actions.

Guess what? I consider you a terrible human being based on that, considering they aren't doing "any actions".

Originally Posted by Amatería

I am also aware that homosexuality isn't something that just goes away. My bisexuality won't go away. My fetishes won't go away. But that's not to say that a homosexual can't be happier actively avoiding any homosexual lusts knowing there's something for them after this life. It's not to say I'm not happier already, knowing there's eternal salvation waiting for me, instead of indulging in the fetishes that I'm so incredibly tempted to give into.

Why would any just God give you eternal punishment for loving someone? Having sex is something humans deserve experiencing, homosexual or not, Christian or not. A just god would never throw anyone in hell for loving.
Again, prejudice demands someone to do something they are not willing to do themselves.

Originally Posted by Amatería

Also, even being Christian does not mean I agree with the views of other "Christians" (although I have not checked to see if I agree or disagree with anyone in this thread). Reason being: I do not acknowledge everyone who calls themselves a Christian as a Christian. Just because I say I'm the ruler of the world doesn't make me the ruler of the world, and there are people out there who call themselves Christians without believing what a Christian must believe. There's a church nearby my house, in fact, that calls itself a Christian church, while holding not Christian beliefs, but pagan beliefs.

oh hi there Amateria, say hi to the no true Scotsman fallacy you just used.

Originally Posted by venjek

I think that as long as the person is happy its fine.

im not against any homosexuals i just dont realy approve.

...And I don't approve of your avatar being black and white.



In my opinion banning gay marriage is as illogical as banning Alaskans to marry - well, even more, considering the high incest rate in Alaska. :/

Ok headache.

Originally Posted by Amatería

Are you sure?

Yes I am sure the bible is just a fairytale book written by men who had problems with controlling the masses in the way they saw fit, as such they wrote a book and sold it as holy. You could just as well take the big adventures of My Little Pony and make a religion based on it.


But since I know your to blind to see the truth, I'll fire your own Bible verses back at you.

Matt 23:2]And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and
he is in heaven.

I hope you didn't say father to anyone, you did? Oh hell it is for you.

Originally Posted by Matt 5:

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It
is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to
be thrown into hell.

30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body
to go into hell.

Have you ever sinned? Better start chopping!

I am a Christian, and I am against homosexuality, but not homosexuals

.
Isn't hypocrisy considered a sin?

Originally Posted by LUK 10:25

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
"Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27 He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all
your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love
your neighbor as yourself.'"

The problem, Nitctel, is that you're taking most of quotes verses out of context or taking them literally. For example the verse in Matthew. Jesus wasn't saying to literally cut off your own limbs. He's using a metaphor.

i go to church im lutheran and im straight yet i dont go around telling people how to live there lifes and what there future is i believe those who say something is a sin becuse they wount execpt it as what it is. they can't change that they are homosexual and they wount go to hell for being gay or bi they go to hell for a real crime like killing,stealing,kidnapping why becuse that is the persons choice to do crime and last time i cheacked Homosexualty is not a crime

If god made us and life on this planet why didnt he make all people not gay. im telling you he made who ever it is gay and as long as you are happy and a good citizen you will go to heaven

Originally Posted by Mikhael

The problem, Nictel, is that you're taking most of quotes verses out of context or taking them literally. For example the verse in Matthew. Jesus wasn't saying to literally cut off your own limbs. He's using a metaphor.

I realise that. The point I was trying to make is that people do that with the verses that are useful to them. They pick those that show their point but ignore the others. Either you take the whole bible literally or you ignore it. You can't just pick and choose the verses that suit you. The Bible is useless as a religious book. It's outdated, a fine way to get a glimpse in to ancient history but nothing more.

There are books that tell us that we should cut our veins open when we're having a fever. Yet we do not do so any more. Then why do some still follow a book that is just so based on old believes?

Originally Posted by Nictel

I realise that. The point I was trying to make is that people do that with the verses that are useful to them. They pick those that show their point but ignore the others.

Well you have to realize that a lot things changed during the New Testament that nullified that old laws and commandments of the Old Testament.

Either you take the whole bible literally or you ignore it. You can't just pick and choose the verses that suit you.

Take into mind the metaphors the Bible uses. You also have to take into consideration of the times the Bible was written. Thousands of years ago, there were sayings and words back then that mean something completely different to what they do now (e.g., Shakespeare).

The Bible is useless as a religious book. It's outdated, a fine way to get a glimpse in to ancient history but nothing more.

What makes the Bible useless? And what constitutes as a useful religious book?

Originally Posted by Mikhael

Well you have to realize that a lot things changed during the New Testament that nullified that old laws and commandments of the Old Testament.

Then why is it still being used?

Take into mind the metaphors the Bible uses. You also have to take into consideration of the times the Bible was written. Thousands of years ago, there were sayings and words back then that mean something completely different to what they do now (e.g., Shakespeare).

No questioning that.

What makes the Bible useless? And what constitutes as a useful religious book?

My first reaction would be nothing. As everything would be an impeachment on the believes of others.

It's a bit like those diet books, everyone of them as a different method to accomplish the same goal.
The same goes for religious books, now I don't have a problem with people following any of it persé. However they are used to justify people's actions. "It is in the Bible so I do this and that." And they disrupt and hurt other people's lives with it.

To give a crude example: It's like eating the neighbours cat infront of their eyes and going "My diet book said I should eat more fresh raw meat." We can all see that's wrong but somehow when religious books say something it's almost taken for granted. But at the same time they're written by similar people who write books today.

If you do want a religious book, then the leaders of that religion should come together and point out wise men and women who will write a new book. Written with examples and the standards of today.


How can we look at two people in love and say that it is wrong, that they are sick, that they need help? Is the way to a good life not in our hearts? Do we not feel pain when we see the hungry, the poor, the hurt? Do we not feel the need to help them? True faith is in our hearts. Not in books or buildings.

How can we look at two people in love and say that it is wrong, that they are sick, that they need help? Is the way to a good life not in our hearts? Do we not feel pain when we see the hungry, the poor, the hurt? Do we not feel the need to help them? True faith is in our hearts. Not in books or buildings.

Aye. The problem is xenophobia. There is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality.

My hat is off to you fratey!
thank you for writing what I did not have the energy to write.
hatten av!

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Honestly: if Christians ignored the Old Testament and focused on the four Gospels, the Bible would get 1000 times less bigoted overnight. And a lot less contradictory, too.

The epistles also teach a lot for the modern-day Christian. They were written by Paul to the Christian churches who were struggling with the ways of the Old Testament. I love the books after the Gospels like Hebrews and 1st and 2nd Peter, because they help reteach the Old Covenant with Christ on our side now. Anyway, other than the sacrificing and such, Paul still sets up a lot of standards Christians should live by in his epistles. One is still to continue doing what God intended when he made man and woman--fill the earth. God considers homosexuality an abomination and that's not how he set everything up in the world. Man is supposed to be with a woman, and that's how they fill the earth. I truly think that homosexuality is against God's rules and I just don't understand the growing community of homosexual Christians who don't see that. They even start churches just for people like them. Don't they realize that God sent brimstone upon an entire city because of the homosexuality within? I don't think that he agrees with these churches.