Heaven: Eternal Bliss?

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

God IS Jesus.
Jesus is God's human form here on Earth.

He is also separate.

The trinity is rather nonsensical, to be honest, and it certainly isn't that cut-and-dried.

Second: God didn't murder Jesus, humans did.

This is debatable, actually. Jesus even prays to God to not have him killed, three times, and each time is told that he's no choice in the matter. :/.

God gave the sodomites a chance.
He was willing to spare them.

Not at first, no. He had to be talked into it, and even then he felt that killing nine innocent people was appropriate.

I don't know where you got this(?).

Abraham and Isaac. Different readings conclude that Abraham either failed or passed the test. Last I heard quite a few Jewish interpretations have him failing, while most Christian ones have him passing.

Wouldn't YOU be upset if you had a son or daughter, and you wanted them to grow up and respect you, and they did the total opposite?

Save that God is omniscient and omnipotent. He made us in such a way that we'd rebel, and knew we would before we did.

Again, Jewish and Christian interpretation here tends to vary. I've heard Jewish scholars point out that God may have fully intended us to eat the fruit (what was the point, otherwise?) since it would make us closer to him. Being thrown out of Eden being more metaphor than punishment.

Most Christians seem to disagree.

God is displeased with His creation because He created us to serve Him, and we turned our backs on Him.

I don't much care to be a slave, even a well-treated (debatable) one.

Heaven is the sickest way to undermine the beauties of life, invented by people who aren't satisfied with what the world already has to offer.

People need to stop craving immortality. Instead of living your life in anticipation of something greater, make the best of the bit of life you do have here.

Originally Posted by Sahrrie

I went through and deleted my posts from here for my own sake.
If any of you have read what I typed down, don't take my word for it.
Man's word is flawed, you should ask God about anything I have said to ensure that you know the Truth. I cannot guarantee that everything I said is the COMPLETE truth, most was based on my own personal understanding on the matter. So, if you are still questioning me, ask God about it. (:

Posted in the other thread about Christianity. ^
I figure I should high-tail it out of here before I say something that isn't true, in order to prove a point. God would be highly displeased if I wasn't telling the TRUTH about Him, so I'm going for now. (:

Heaven must have plenty to do, just because its heaven doesn't mean it will take the challenge or reward out of things, like growing crops or mountain climbing (if such things exists in heaven that is).

It just means your loved ones wont die or get seriously messed up if they do fall off said mountain.

And if it is like that, than people can play real versions of Halo, when you die you just respawn so its awesome, instead of sad. That would be so cool.

Originally Posted by Fluorescence

Heaven is the sickest way to undermine the beauties of life, invented by people who aren't satisfied with what the world already has to offer.

People need to stop craving immortality. Instead of living your life in anticipation of something greater, make the best of the bit of life you do have here.

So very true. Heaven is just, to me, a way to perceive life after death, in hopes I will see them someday.

I agree that ignorance is bliss, as well. The more I learn about the world around me, the more it weakens me. Although I would have once laughed at this, now I truly understand why not knowing is better than knowing. Or perhaps one can be considered truly wise when one can bare the burdens of knowledge and not let it weaken him. I don't think that I will fade into non-existence once I die. I don't know what comes next, and I don't believe in many interpretations of the so-called "after-life." However, I don't believe that after a life of earthly "suffering" it would be fair to have all the good from life erased, and to be filled with ignorance. I don't believe that I will ever be certain of what heaven, or whatever is to come, will be like, but I don't believe that bliss after life can be ignorance. It just doesn't seem fair.

How about bliss being the complete opposite of ignorance, huh? When we know enough for suffering to end?

Oh, but no one ever thinks of that.

How about bliss being the complete opposite of ignorance, huh? When we know enough for suffering to end?

Oh, but no one ever thinks of that.

That's what drives science. And look at what happens then?

~read~

I...really don't get it.

Regarding "ignorance is bliss", consider the following: ignorance is bliss, but bliss is not necessarily ignorance. It is not necessarily true that one needs to be ignorant to be blissful.