I think these people are pushing back the gay right movements...

People such as Jeffrey Starr, Chris Crocker, Perez Hilton, etc. I love all of these people, and i think they are all very funny and cool and stuff, but seriously? Come on. They are basically saying,"I'm here, im different, so lets laugh at me." I think it would be so much better if these people toned it down alittle bit. Like, i dont have a problem with them, because im gay myself, i just have a problem with the way they put theirselfs out there. Comments on this?

Yes, I see where you are coming from.

You feel they do not represent the gay community very well. Many narrow-minded individuals will associate all gay people with Chris Crocker and we all know Chris Crocker is...deranged.

Originally Posted by Twilight Joker

Yes, I see where you are coming from.

You feel they do not represent the gay community very well. Many narrow-minded individuals will associate all gay people with Chris Crocker and we all know Chris Crocker is...deranged.

exactly! i mean its ok to let people know your gay, maybe even crack a few jokes about it, but act like a crazy person and then post it all around the internet? thats taking it too far=[[

People such as Fred Phelps, Åke Green, the Pope, etc. I accept all of these people, and i think they are all very funny and stupid and stuff, but seriously? Come on. They are basically saying,"I'm here, im different, so lets laugh at me and my homophobia." I think it would be so much better if these people toned it down alittle bit. Like, i have a problem with them, because I'm human myself, I just have a problem with the way they put themselves out there. Comments on this?

Originally Posted by DrFeelGood666

exactly! i mean its ok to let people know your gay, maybe even crack a few jokes about it, but act like a crazy person and then post it all around the internet? thats taking it too far=[[

Well you cannot really stop people from acting like idiots on the internet. You have to prove these people wrong if they associate you with immature people on the internet.

Mmm, some potential here, but I can see this crashing and burning in a ball of spam very easily.


So, people, put effort into your posts. Original Poster: Give us some more depth. Why do you think they're hurting the movement, what should be done if they are? (If anything?) etc.

Everyone else: No spam posts. At all.

I don't know, I'm not too familar with Perez Hilton, but I think Chris crocker could be onto something. Yeah his "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!" spiel was a little weird but some of his other videos are quite thought provoking. I found his "what is normal?" video to be quite profound. I think some of the things he has to say could help change how a lot of people view the LGBT movement, but we aren't willing to take his words under serious consideration.

Ive always said that these freaks have been doing more hurt for the gay community than good. I mean.. Every time I see Crocker.. or Star.. and definitely Perez.. I just wanna choke a baby.

That's how absolutely tedious the idea of those three are.

Unfortunately, people get shoved into categories with famous people. If you claim to be a communist, people relate you to Stalin and South East Asia. If you are a democrat, you are shoved behind Jimmy Carter and Barney Frank. Conservative? Bush and Nixon, I think that when people make bad examples of what they represent, accidentally or purposefully, they are hurting what they support. It may not be intentional but it happens : /.

I should claim to be an agent of chaos then; I'll get related to famous Warhammer individuals and the Joker from DK.

I think I might bring up my "Ms. California" thing to annoy everyone here; Perez Hilton comes out and says "I think she's a dumb *****!" to the entire world. How does this affect the gay community? I mean, one girl stating her opinion is inflated entirely by Hilton's own, over-enlarged head. How does his comments help?

Most gays aren't eccentrics like Hilton, but antics like his are representative (to the wider world's eyes) of the gay community. It's kinda like a social stereotype which grows from popular culture in order to influence the masses into categorising what characteristics people will have.

Eg. a lot of people associate gays as having similar traits as Carson from Queer Eye, but this isn't true; goes to show that these notions become embedded within our sub-conscious.

People such as Fred Phelps, Åke Green, the Pope, etc. I accept all of these people, and i think they are all very funny and stupid and stuff, but seriously? Come on. They are basically saying,"I'm here, im different, so lets laugh at me and my homophobia." I think it would be so much better if these people toned it down alittle bit. Like, i have a problem with them, because I'm human myself, I just have a problem with the way they put themselves out there. Comments on this?

This. Rofl.

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The media makes people out to be what they really shouldn't be. Period. It makes 13 year old girls think that when they grow up, the have to be 5'9, 110lbs and have size DD breasts. It makes some conservatives (or other people) think that Jeffree Starr is what the gay community is. And yes, it's a shame that some people give us a bad rep, but really, it's an entire different sub-culture. I really do believe that conservatives just use people like Jeffree Starr as an excuse to blame the gay community for doing stuff like he does (which of course isn't true), when really, Jeffree Starr is just a really brightly-colored, cocky/*****y guy who wants the fame. It's really two different things.

Originally Posted by DrFeelGood666

People such as Jeffrey Starr, Chris Crocker, Perez Hilton, etc. I love all of these people, and i think they are all very funny and cool and stuff, but seriously? Come on. They are basically saying,"I'm here, im different, so lets laugh at me." I think it would be so much better if these people toned it down alittle bit. Like, i dont have a problem with them, because im gay myself, i just have a problem with the way they put theirselfs out there. Comments on this?

I'm not really for Queens or anything, but this regardless of how appropriate it is, is apart of the gay community and the gay culture. To say "they aren't helping the gay rights movement" is abit insensitive, because there are alot of gay people like this and to just exclude them is to limit the freedom that this community believes in.

It shows a vast amount of diversity and that is what we want rights for, for everyone not just the select few we can make to look non-threatening or more socially acceptable. People are different, people will accept this (eventually) and thats that really. No community is perfect.

I mean look at the heterosexual community, men who beat their wives, wives who cheat on their husband, men who spread HIV amongst women without telling them. Every community has their downside the gay community shouldn't be any different. I know alot of amazing people who are straight and alot of not so amazing people who are straight. Just goes to show that you shouldn't judge a community on its oddities.

I think the larger question to ponder is, "Why are we - as a society - so apt to readily compartmentalize each other based upon chance representation, rather than bothering to experience the knowledge brought upon by being unbiased?"

I think for two cultures (of any kind really, not just gay and hetrosexual) to get along, both have to make compromises. In this case, homophobes need to learn to accept gays, and gays need to make themselves more acceptable to hetrosexuals. This means freaks like the Westboro Bapist Church need to stop persecuting homosexuals, and gay celebrities need to "tone it down" as the OP put it.

No one should be one way or another: people should be themselves, and nothing else. To place oneself within the confines of what is acceptable or termed as not being weird, and to hide this want of expression and self, is to begin a walk to oppression. One should be free.

The only exception to this is when it endangers others.

The Media does not represent the fact that most Gay people are exactly the same as most straight people, exept they are attracted to their own Gender.

Originally Posted by SheikahSage

I think for two cultures (of any kind really, not just gay and hetrosexual) to get along, both have to make compromises. In this case, homophobes need to learn to accept gays, and gays need to make themselves more acceptable to hetrosexuals. This means freaks like the Westboro Bapist Church need to stop persecuting homosexuals, and gay celebrities need to "tone it down" as the OP put it.

This.

Originally Posted by Figaro

The Media does not represent the fact that most Gay people are exactly the same as most straight people, exept they are attracted to their own Gender.

Some of them also act more feminine (not just the three mentioned in the OP).

Originally Posted by Captain Crusader

Some of them also act more feminine (not just the three mentioned in the OP).

I would like to recomend that you look up the meaning of the small word, most.

Originally Posted by Figaro

I would like to recomend that you look up the meaning of the small word, most.

You obviously haven't met many homosexuals. I'd also like to recommend the word 'recommend'. ;3

The only reason people like Star get any attention outside of their wild behavior is because they label themselves gave in order to identify with a larger audience. But that label serves a double purpose; it both gives the celeb a broader fan base (or at least a larger audience that shares a common trait) and protects him because that label is part of a rising minority.

If someone were to flame Star, he or his fans could instantly stick up and say "you're only saying that because he's gay- you're nothing but a homophobe!"

. . . This is not just true of Star, but other celebs like to slap on the gay label for media hype (Pete Wentz, Ashlee Simpson, even the rather cliche example of t.a.t.u), and as soon as the hype dies down, they peel off the label and go on with their lives.

Originally Posted by SheikahSage

I think for two cultures (of any kind really, not just gay and hetrosexual) to get along, both have to make compromises. In this case, homophobes need to learn to accept gays, and gays need to make themselves more acceptable to hetrosexuals. This means freaks like the Westboro Bapist Church need to stop persecuting homosexuals, and gay celebrities need to "tone it down" as the OP put it.

Westboro is doing the exact same thing as the gay lable celebs, except they use god as their excuse.

I'm not particually for either side "toning it down," I'd rather people just be passionate about what they feel for themselves and not have to wrap themselves in a banner that says "I stand for this cause," to which onlookers inevietiblely add "and so do all the people behind you."

Originally Posted by Figaro

I would like to recomend that you look up the meaning of the small word, most.

>.> Ever heard of Bara? Believe me, not all gay men are effinimate, and not all lesbian women are masculine.

And with that said, not all people who straddle the fence (pansexauls, bisexuals, and asexuals in the non self-reproductive sense), are loose cannons that would sleep with a pole if it had nice legs and a hole.

Let's try not to reinforce stereotypes, 'kay?