I think these people are pushing back the gay right movements...

Originally Posted by Figaro

The Media does not represent the fact that most Gay people are exactly the same as most straight people, exept they are attracted to their own Gender.

Yah, this. I can't stand the people can't just NOT be gay, they are always being too flirty, or too open about it, or talk feminine and dress weird, all that. That's... just weird, yes. I have a friend who is gay, and he HATES those types of gays, and I agree that they are weird. But he makes a good impression of one of those. hahaha

It really bugs me when they try to hard to point out their sexual preference. I honestly don't care when I first meet someone, and most straight people don't act this way, which really puts gays on an abnormal pedestal in society, and they really shouldn't. They should blend in with the rest of us.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Yah, this. I can't stand the people can't just NOT be gay, they are always being too flirty, or too open about it, or talk feminine and dress weird, all that. That's... just weird, yes. I have a friend who is gay, and he HATES those types of gays, and I agree that they are weird. But he makes a good impression of one of those. hahaha

It really bugs me when they try to hard to point out their sexual preference. I honestly don't care when I first meet someone, and most straight people don't act this way, which really puts gays on an abnormal pedestal in society, and they really shouldn't. They should blend in with the rest of us.

. . .Really? We should mask the very facets that make us different and unique? By "us" I do not mean "us gays vs. you straights," but we as humans in general. There are straight people who act just as flirty or flippant as gays, and gays whom one would never know their preference by their actions.

It's a bit myopic to say they should blend in with us when you and your one gay friend may dislike the behaviors of others. There is no correct way to be human, and to say that a few outliers should conform to your standards is, well, arrogant.

Oh, for the love of God...

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Yah, this. I can't stand the people can't just NOT be gay, they are always being too flirty, or too open about it, or talk feminine and dress weird, all that. That's... just weird, yes. I have a friend who is gay, and he HATES those types of gays, and I agree that they are weird. But he makes a good impression of one of those. hahaha

Way to reinforce stereotypes, sugar. I don't recall every gay person being flirty, too open about their sexuality, or being feminine and dressing weird. A lot of straight men and women act flirty, so how does this make gay people weird. And I doubt most gay people would be open about their orientation because a large group of people despises them. And as for being feminine, some straight men act this way, too. And why should you hate them for being "weird", to put in your words. The homosexuals that do actually act like that are sometimes still great people.

It really bugs me when they try to hard to point out their sexual preference. I honestly don't care when I first meet someone, and most straight people don't act this way, which really puts gays on an abnormal pedestal in society, and they really shouldn't. They should blend in with the rest of us.

Why should it bother you if someone tells you their sexual orientation when you meet? They're telling you about themselves, most normal people do that when they meet for the first time.

Also, why the hell should gay people have to blend in with society? They're not harming anyone at all by being themselves, why should they conform to what you believe is the "right way"? Deal with them.

LOL Why am I being attacked for this???? Sheesh..... I never said anything rude about the gay community in my post, simply that the world doesn't revolve around people's sexual preferences. Does every conversation with a new person you meet say, "I like boys, I like girls." Personally that stuff should stay private and if they want to know what it is, ask. >_>

Fine, stand out like sore thumbs.. is that what you want to hear?

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

It really bugs me when they try to hard to point out their sexual preference. I honestly don't care when I first meet someone, and most straight people don't act this way

Yes, because straight men never get insulted when they're called gay or anything.[/sarcasm]

If anything, straight people are offenders of this more often than gays are. Sure, you meet some queens here and there in the gay community, but you probably meet more men that dress as masculine as they possibly can and are so homophobic to the point where they actually think that all gay men want to do is rape their anus into a bloody pulp. I've met guys like that.

And the real truth of the matter is that people are flamboyant about way more things than just sexuality. Why should someone have more right to wear a t-shirt of the American flag and be sickeningly patriotic than someone has the right to dress and act flamboyantly homosexual? Now, admittedly, the former does get some complaints, but not nearly as much as the latter does.

They should blend in with the rest of us.

Are you advocating assimilation? Because if not, you might want to reword your stance.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

LOL Why am I being attacked for this???? Sheesh..... I never said anything rude about the gay community in my post, simply that the world doesn't revolve around people's sexual preferences.

Fine, stand out like sore thumbs.. is that what you want to hear?

We'd rather be accepted for what we are. Aren't good Christians supposed to do that?

LOL Why am I being attacked for this???? Sheesh..... I never said anything rude about the gay community in my post, simply that the world doesn't revolve around people's sexual preferences. Does every conversation with a new person you meet say, "I like boys, I like girls." Personally that stuff should stay private and if they want to know what it is, ask. >_>

Fine, stand out like sore thumbs.. is that what you want to hear?



And Dread, what I meant is that the media makes gays look like that. That's how you spot a gay, or whatever. It's the media that gives the stereotypes, but from my own personal experience, I have met gays who go over the top like that, and I gave my opinion that its weird and even a gay guy thought was too. It doesn't mean I want gays to stay indoors and never come outside...



Man you people are very sensitive...



Also, the attitude you guys are giving off about gays fits the title of the thread perfectly. Stop attacking me, or you are just living up to the title...

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

And Dread, what I meant is that the media makes gays look like that. That's how you spot a gay, or whatever. It's the media that gives the stereotypes, but from my own personal experience, I have met gays who go over the top like that, and I gave my opinion that its weird and even a gay guy thought was too.

Then why are you trusting the media and only one gay guy? He doesn't speak for the rest of us. I'm bisexual and I hardly conform to the stereotype of wanting to have sex with every human being I spot. Stereotypes are just plain stupid. What if you offended a straight guy by calling him gay just because he's flamboyant and effeminate, or called a straight women a lesbian because she acts masculine? Then would you feel sorry?

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

LOL Why am I being attacked for this???? Sheesh..... I never said anything rude about the gay community in my post, simply that the world doesn't revolve around people's sexual preferences. Does every conversation with a new person you meet say, "I like boys, I like girls." Personally that stuff should stay private and if they want to know what it is, ask. >_>

I think the reason is because when you meet someone, the assumption is that they're straight. Because this is accepted as the norm. Because this is what most (or at least most in public) lean towards. When you first meet someone that's straight, they're not going to introduce themselves as straight (unless they're REALLY insecure with their sexuality) because that's the natural assumption a person makes.

So if a gay person doesn't say otherwise, that's probably what's going to be assumed about them, and they may not necessarily want this. Maybe they want people to know from the get-go that they're gay so that it doesn't become a problem if discovered later on down the line.

Originally Posted by Dread

Then why are you trusting the media and only one gay guy? He doesn't speak for the rest of us. I'm bisexual and I hardly conform to the stereotype of wanting to have sex with every human being I spot. Stereotypes are just plain stupid. What if you offended a straight guy by calling him gay just because he's flamboyant and effeminate, or called a straight women a lesbian because she acts masculine? Then would you feel sorry?

LOL Did I say I trusted the media? Did I say he's the only gay guy I know who feels that way? Stop putting words in my mouth.

I don't make assumptions or say the word "gay" around complete strangers at all, so I never have to worry about it. I know people who are very feminine but aren't gay, so I don't make those assumptions either, but there are those who DO go over the top, I have seen them, and that is why I posted in this thread, because I believe they are the ones who fit the topic.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

I think the reason is because when you meet someone, the assumption is that they're straight. Because this is accepted as the norm. Because this is what most (or at least most in public) lean towards. When you first meet someone that's straight, they're not going to introduce themselves as straight (unless they're REALLY insecure with their sexuality) because that's the natural assumption a person makes.

Unless they tell me or give me a blatant reason to believe they are gay, I think they are straight. They shouldn't get offended if it is the norm. They should be able to just deal with it, and kindly correct me if I assume wrong. That is the attitude they should have, but instead they get VERY offended and angry.



Example: It's Christmas time, I'm at Wal-mart, someone says Happy Hanukkah to me. Now, I'm not Jewish, I'm Christian, but instead of being all, EXCUSE ME? I'm Christian how DARE you, I say Happy Hanukkah back. Why? Because it will make them happy, because its their holiday time too, we all share it. Sure Christmas takes over, but I'm happy with their holiday as well. I respect them.

I think everyone should have this mentality, and this goes the same with the gay/straight topics. If I assume someone is gay, they should just calmly and politely correct me, and I'll most likely apologize for assuming and thank them for correcting me. And I won't throw out any judgement calls. How do I know I would do this? Because it's happened to me before, and it wasn't a scary experience.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

LOL Did I say I trusted the media? Did I say he's the only gay guy I know who feels that way? Stop putting words in my mouth.

I don't make assumptions or say the word "gay" around complete strangers at all, so I never have to worry about it. I know people who are very feminine but aren't gay, so I don't make those assumptions either, but there are those who DO go over the top, I have seen them, and that is why I posted in this thread, because I believe they are the ones who fit the topic.



Unless they tell me or give me a blatant reason to believe they are gay, I think they are straight.

I'm only using the words you give me.

Now, why should should some gay people who do act like the stereotypes be responsible for holding back gay rights? I see nothing wrong with these people because they're only acting the way they are. Why should this affect their rights?

Originally Posted by Dread

I'm only using the words you give me.

Now, why should should some gay people who do act like the stereotypes be responsible for holding back gay rights? I see nothing wrong with these people because they're only acting the way they are. Why should this affect their rights?

LOL Because the topic of the thread. I'm not talking about the rights, I'm just talking about how they act. Also read my post above.

But if you must ask, during the whole prop 8 war, many people changed their votes because of the violence the gays gave out to everyone who DIDN'T vote. Now, when you are trying to win a vote, why do you have to get violent? You shouldn't, you should try to get on their good side, not their bad, so that lost them a lot of votes. Now, this wasn't every gay in California, I know, but the media sure did make their presence known about it, and that made an impact on the vote, so its their own fault.

Anyways, I already gave my two cents.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Unless they tell me or give me a blatant reason to believe they are gay, I think they are straight.

Which is precisely my point. When you meet someone, you assume them to be straight if they don't say anything or are acting overly gay (although even this is not a good indicator, as there are some very effeminate, but straight, guys out there, and some masculine, but straight, women). They want to make sure that assumption isn't made about them. Is there really something so wrong in that?

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

LOL Because the topic of the thread. I'm not talking about the rights, I'm just talking about how they act. Also read my post above.

But if you must ask, during the whole prop 8 war, many people changed their votes because of the violence the gays gave out to everyone who DIDN'T vote. Now, when you are trying to win a vote, why do you have to get violent? You shouldn't, you should try to get on their good side, not their bad, so that lost them a lot of votes. Now, this wasn't every gay in California, I know, but the media sure did make their presence known about it, and that made an impact on the vote, so its their own fault.

Anyways, I already gave my two cents.

Media as in Fox, in right religious media, in anti-gay media?

Originally Posted by Nictel

Media as in Fox, in right religious media, in anti-gay media?

Well I'm certainly not going to watch a station that bashes my believes. Apparently one that bashes mine is ok though, huh.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Well I'm certainly not going to watch a station that bashes my believes. Apparently one that bashes mine is ok though, huh.

Well. I do have an opinion about the religious right, which involves the Stone Age and the intelligence of a gold fish but that's not very suited for SD.

Originally Posted by Nictel

Well. I do have an opinion about the religious right, which involves the Stone Age and the intelligence of a gold fish but that's not very suited for SD.

Actually, religion forms the bases of morality. Whether you are religious or not, many laws centuries ago are influenced from religious teachings and are still used today. So in that sense, they are very suited for serious discussion.

Now as society has gotten more complex these laws have become more structured and refined.

Originally Posted by Twilight Joker

Actually, religion forms the bases of morality. Whether you are religious or not, many laws centuries ago are influenced from religious teachings and are still used today. So in that sense, they are very suited for serious discussion.

Now as society has gotten more complex these laws have become more structured and refined.

But which came first, the morals or the religion? True, religion has many good morals in it (along with some bad ones) but I think man would have come to realize many of those morals whether or not they'd ever created religion.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

But which came first, the morals or the religion? True, religion has many good morals in it (along with some bad ones) but I think man would have come to realize many of those morals whether or not they'd ever created religion.

Think about the ten commandments, then think about our laws. Most laws go right along with them, and most moral and ethical behaviors that are accepted in society do as well.

Originally Posted by Twilight Joker

Actually, religion forms the bases of morality. Whether you are religious or not, many laws centuries ago are influenced from religious teachings and are still used today. So in that sense, they are very suited for serious discussion.

Now as society has gotten more complex these laws have become more structured and refined.

This topic isn't about religion. He's basically saying he wants to make a statement that attacks religion. I wouldn't encourage him.

But what you said is true. Without all those religions, we probably wouldn't have laws that govern our country or several countries. Anyways, tootles.

Originally Posted by Twilight Joker

Actually, religion forms the bases of morality. Whether you are religious or not, many laws centuries ago are influenced from religious teachings and are still used today. So in that sense, they are very suited for serious discussion.

Now as society has gotten more complex these laws have become more structured and refined.

I was talking about denying people's rights and stoning women because of what some simple man wrote in a book ~two thousand years ago. But you're right of course that they formed a base. However every holy book shouts compassion for those around you. But somehow that is forgotten.