Eleven year old boy who shot himself

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

And yeah, I'm gonna stand on the fact that they're selfish for killing themselves because they were pick on and couldn't see beyond the bullying.

And no, I never been suicidally depressed. Does that make my statements invalided?

It doesn't completely invalidate it, no, but I rather suspect it leads to a complete and utter failure of empathy.

See, again, you can only judge a person's actions, only hold them accountable for them, if they were themselves when they made them.

A suicidally depressed person can't see beyond, say, bullying. Not because they don't want to, or aren't trying to, but because they literally can't.

So saying "He did the right thing" isn't condoing? Sure.

No one here has said anything like that that wasn't also being blisteringly sarcastic.

Like I say, do we need another one of these guys:

Doing another of these:

all because some prick picked on them and the politically correct dumb**** teachers ignore the warning signs of the victims and bullies? I fear there will be another one of these in the near future and it all because of thanks to these jackasses:

And all those two are gonna do are either gonna lay dead in a pool of their own blood or say "we should had look at the warning signs".

Interestingly enough, the Columbine shootings seem to have had little to do with bullying. There's quite a bit of speculation that the two kids simply had some very bad mental problems.

I agree with snow_storm.

I also think the bullies should be charged with man slaughter for causing the suicide, for get just the guilt part, they need to answer for their crimes. Depression or not those kids didn't have to be jackasses.

I think people who are suicidal are not rational.

Originally Posted by candc32

I agree with snow_storm.

I also think the bullies should be charged with man slaughter for causing the suicide, for get just the guilt part, they need to answer for their crimes. Depression or not those kids didn't have to be jackasses.

I would actually love to see the bullies being charged with manslaughter however it will never happen. :/

I think bullies should be dealt with severely. Corporal punishment should be brought back IMO.

Oh, no, I'm eleven. Well, this was the most un-expecting thing that I'd expect to read here. The fact that an eleven year old was suicidal is just well, suprising. Being an elevn year old boy myself. The only thing that would make me kill myself for is ifI had mean parents or lived in ugly mean conditions. And, taht's how I live. I've never had one thought of suicide but whoa, unexpected.

Originally Posted by Marluxia

I would actually love to see the bullies being charged with manslaughter however it will never happen. :/

I think bullies should be dealt with severely. Corporal punishment should be brought back IMO.

Agreed.

Sadly, we've gone very soft on them because even a wave of the wooden spoon=OMFG CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!!1111oneoneshift!!!11eleven!!!!

I've been smacked with the wooden spoon. Yes, it hurt like hell, but did I turn into this emotionally reclused, anti-social, chronically depressed person because my parents smacked me with it? No.

Discipline because your child did something bad and he deserved it= OK

Smacking them b/c you are bored, he did nothing wrong= NOT OK

What's so hard to get here?

Originally Posted by Link the Zora

Agreed.

Sadly, we've gone very soft on them because even a wave of the wooden spoon=OMFG CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!!1111oneoneshift!!!11eleven!!!!

I've been smacked with the wooden spoon. Yes, it hurt like hell, but did I turn into this emotionally reclused, anti-social, chronically depressed person because my parents smacked me with it? No.

Discipline because your child did something bad and he deserved it= OK

Smacking them b/c you are bored, he did nothing wrong= NOT OK

What's so hard to get here?

I agree with you too!!

The government are so soft on kids now days. Telling them off doesn't work. Giving them a good beating would probably do some good.

Telling them off seems to work rather well, actually.

Violent crime rates are at an almost unparallelled low, education levels are at an all-time high, etc.

The problem is not that the punishment these kids get is too light, it's that they're not getting caught or punished.

Originally Posted by Marluxia

I agree with you too!!

The government are so soft on kids now days. Telling them off doesn't work. Giving them a good beating would probably do some good.

What if the bullies lives are hell?

Or maybe the Bully isn't exactly aware of what he or she is doing? Sitting here its easy to say 'how couldnt they know' its easy for us to distinguish between this stuff. But what if they can't?

What if the bully has a terrible home life?

Not saying all bullies are like this. I am sure alot of them are just sadistic *******s. But what of the others?

So lets say they did allow a 'good beating' at schools as punishment. That these bullies were punished in such a manner. I think that would just make them angrier. Hell I know it would leave me pissed and feeling betrayed. I think if I were in that situation, I would just grow colder.

Maybe it could make bullies rethink their actions. Or maybe they wont, because they are unsure why they were punished.

Or maybe, it would just nudge them down a darker path.


But what do I know
?

Wait, is this the same kid whose suicide started a whole death started an internet meme? An hero?

Maybe bullies are bullied at home, and they want others to know what it feels like by making others lives worse than their own.

Originally Posted by Red Dingo

Wait, is this the same kid whose suicide started a whole death started an internet meme? An hero?

No, that child had a bad damn because somebody stole his ipod.

Couple of things here. Firstly, someone who's depressed while being bullied thinks like this:

1- No girl will ever like me. In a few decades' time, I will still be alone and miserable.
2- No-one wants to be my friend. If there were any people in my school who had interest in ever being friends with me, they'd have helped when they saw me being bullied. So everyone hates me.
3- It's probably my fault for being the way I am, but I can't help (insert whatever the supposed reason for the bullying is - being too geeky, being ugly, having a funny voice, etc). I wish I was someone else.
4- Things are unlikely to change (the victim doesn't have enough life experience to have found an outlet for their feelings or to have found someone they get along with well enough to be proper friends). If I live to be 100, I'll still be as unhappy as I am now.
5- I have nice parents, a happy home, I'm in good health, so there's nothing really wrong with me. If I tell my parents how I feel, they'll probably just say I'm being a crybaby and to suck it up. I'm on my own.

Secondly, oftentimes a child who bullies does not realise the effect they are having, and often believes that the victim is being unfair to them somehow (like if the victim is smart, the bully believes that the victim looks down on him, and that this makes everyone think he's stupid), and so is antagonistic to save face and to make themselves feel b
less weak. Often, they are of the opinion that the victim doesn't really care what they say or do. Other times, a bully is only going with the crowd, who already dislike the victim. The bully may not have a problem with the victim but feels they can't be seen to sympathise or will be isolated too. Mostly, the correct cure for bullying is prevention; the parents need to really help their children develop better social skills such as empathy in order to recognise when they're hurting someone's feelings.

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

What an hero with an great sense of logic. He had an choice to use that shotgun to blast those who were pickin on him away. An link to the story would be nice!

I see what you did there



I agree with everything Evilsbane said. It's very hard to understand what a depressed person is going through unless you have youself once. I had it ever since I was 12, and it's hell. It really is.


"I'm sure my family will be sad if I kill myself, but hey, they'll get over it after a while", or "They won't give a ***** about it", is what I'm assuming he thought.