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Old 01-17-2009, 11:31 PM
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Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

I have been tossing this question around in my head for quite some time and really it's making me sick of people. Why can't people take responsibility for their own problems?

Things like "McDonalds made me fat." Just make me sick. It's their own choice to eat there.
"The media is a bad influence" and yet people still watch it.
"I have a disorder because I was born with it, and therefore don't need to fix it" And so on.

The list goes on. There is always someone else to blame. Why don't people ever just own up to their problems and mistakes? Why do people always have to blame something rather than try to improve themselves? Why is it so important that it's someone else's fault?

-Granted there are times when people are just plain and simple victims but that's not what I'm addressing here.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:35 PM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

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This more or less sums up the dilemma. =3
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:36 PM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Rationalization is a funny thing.

The person themself needs to rationalise to put themselves at peace. It isn't their fault. Human Nature if you will.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:44 PM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

The reason is because it's easier to blame someone else. Humans are typically lazy so they'd rather blame others than own up to, and try to fix their problems.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:57 PM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Well it is McDonalds fault for making those people fat because its evident from the fact that they claim McDonalds made them fat that they are the stupidest kind of pond scum to ever be born in human form and thus are so dull-minded that they cant be trusted with their own health and McDonalds should have taken care of them better.
Hows THAT for an anwer! And I was joking, if you didnt pick that up.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:58 PM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Path of Least Resistance.

It's easier to blame someone else then fix your own problems.
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:02 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

You know what I think is funny?

Reporter: Why do you bring him junk food? Why not healthy foods?
Wife/Maid/Caretaker/Whatever: Because if we don't bring him/her the food that they (1000-pound bed-ridden wo/man) want they'll chase us down and force us.

If you can find the big thing wrong with that excuse, I'll give you a virtual cookie.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:34 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Yeah, 'cause if guns kill people, I'm blaming my misspelled words on my pencil.
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:38 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Mmm, Lexxi makes a pretty good post, and more or less it's straight to the point. Basically, a lot of people won't take responsibility for themselves or their own actions because if they can find a way to blame something/somebody else, they'll do it, even if they're completely to blame (which they usually are most of the time). Anything to avoid responsibility and escape the consequences of their own actions to evade getting the righteous fist of justice slammed into their faces. Bad parents will blame television/junk food/computer games/teachers/ADHD/Autism/anything else for the actions of their children, rather than admit that they were ****ty parents and failed in raising their kids. Other times, criminals might blame their actions on a bad upbringing/poverty/society/their victims/a moment of madness/e.t.c, and turn on the waterworks in court and that it wasn't really their fault, and they're really good people deep down in their misunderstood little hearts. The sort of **** that only the most gullible of bleeding hearts and lawsuits would eat up. Morbidly obese people who eat up tons of MickeyD's and Wendys day in and day out, then blame the companies when they get too fat and their health is starting to fail them.

I'm probably too harsh, but it needs to be said. Some people will say or do anything to avoid getting blamed and pin it on some obscure scapegoat, and even more so when it comes to the matter of compensation. Some people truly can't help themselves, and do need help and understanding, but a lot of the time? Bull.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:58 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

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Path of Least Resistance.

It's easier to blame someone else then fix your own problems.
yeah but really, what's easier- Going through a lawsuit to sue someone, with all the legal bills and stress and negativie energy,
or eat more healthy and walk your fat ass around a little bit eachday?

neither is more hard thanthe other. but one involves being honest with ones'self.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:01 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

People never want to feel bad and thus will blame anything they wish.

We've always been like that, but it's never been consoled until now.
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Mmm, Lexxi makes a pretty good post, and more or less it's straight to the point. Basically, a lot of people won't take responsibility for themselves or their own actions because if they can find a way to blame something/somebody else, they'll do it, even if they're completely to blame (which they usually are most of the time). Anything to avoid responsibility and escape the consequences of their own actions to evade getting the righteous fist of justice slammed into their faces. Bad parents will blame television/junk food/computer games/teachers/ADHD/Autism/anything else for the actions of their children, rather than admit that they were ****ty parents and failed in raising their kids. Other times, criminals might blame their actions on a bad upbringing/poverty/society/their victims/a moment of madness/e.t.c, and turn on the waterworks in court and that it wasn't really their fault, and they're really good people deep down in their misunderstood little hearts. The sort of **** that only the most gullible of bleeding hearts and lawsuits would eat up. Morbidly obese people who eat up tons of MickeyD's and Wendys day in and day out, then blame the companies when they get too fat and their health is starting to fail them.

I'm probably too harsh, but it needs to be said. Some people will say or do anything to avoid getting blamed and pin it on some obscure scapegoat, and even more so when it comes to the matter of compensation. Some people truly can't help themselves, and do need help and understanding, but a lot of the time? Bull.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:33 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

why take responsibility when you can force someone else to, as well as take a large sum of money from them
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:12 PM
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"I have a disorder because I was born with it, and therefore don't need to fix it" And so on.
While I agree that many people do have a serious problem with responsibility and the taking thereof, this part particularly hit a nerve. Disorders won't just magically go away if you acknowledge that they're disorders, there's no miracle cure, you may be able to take measures but at the end of the day a deep-seated mental illness is a deeply integrated mental illness, and just because someone with Down's Syndrome does something wrong, for example, doesn't mean he's mentally capable of understanding that.

For the mentally capable, fair enough. For those who are not mentally capable, there's a reason they're found "not guilty" when pleading insanity.
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:27 PM
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Although I mostly agree with what is stated here, there is a caveat worth pointing out.

Most people are lazy and most people want to blame someone else for their problems. This is entirely true and given that people have free will in a largely free society, they often have the ability to resolve these situations themselves. However, it is important to understand the circumstances that brought about those situations in the first place - why are you overweight? Is it because you ate too much McDonald's? Maybe directly, but what about the indirect contributory factors, such as the existence of a consumerist culture that constantly puts pressure on individuals to consume unhealthy food, while at the same time presenting impossible standards of beauty? Nobody can naturally be expected to abide by both of these at the same time, if at all. In a similar example, the violent videogames you play may not have caused you to lash out at your co-workers, but perhaps the creation of a culture of violence, of which videogames are just one facet, has, through life-long exposure, led to an unhealthy level of latent aggression.

In otherwords, it's a lot less simple than it's made out to be. While people are lazy, and while they can fix their problems often without much effort, to stop the discussion right there would to ignore the influence of the sociological factors that shape our environment and our ideologies.
This too. You can't really generalize when it comes to this sort of thing. If you're unemployed, that doesn't mean you're lazy - it could mean that you genuinely cannot find a job, there are no jobs available without trying to fulfill overtly arduous conditions such as moving, or you could even be disabled. The kind of mentality that says "the only reason you're in your situation is because of your own faults" is hilariously ignorant of a multitude of factors which may contribute. Yes, it CAN mean you're lazy, but to assume that based on the pure situation of being unemployed is unreasonable. The same goes for a wide variety of circumstances that are, to some degree, beyond one's control.
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:57 PM
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That isn't entirely what I was talking about, but it is worth mentioning out that the myths about self-actualisation and The American Dream are so ingrained into our consciousnesses that we rarely even bother to question them. Although slightly distinct from what was posted in this thread initially, I think that they are related enough to be worth pointing out nonetheless. The fact of the matter is that people do not live in a vacuum and nearly everything we do and have ever done has been influenced by if not outright shaped by the circumstances in which we live.

I think a better example than what you've given would be a teeange boy of a minority racial group who was born into an impoverished household. He is not responsible for his circumstances, his racialised identity (a construct of the society around him), or the socioeconomic class he finds himself in. When he drops out of high school to help support his family by getting a minimum-wage job somewhere, is he at fault? Maybe in the end, yes, as an autonomous being who has control over his actions, he made a decision. He could have kept going to school, but perhaps at the expense of his family's health. He could have taken up an illegal activity like drug dealing to help supplement his family's income. He could have become an addict himself as a coping measure with the situation. However, the larger societal factors are so specific and influential that given even a slightly different circumstance, he may find himself acting in an entirely different way, a way that could mean the difference between a life of poverty, a life of misery, a life in jail, and a life as the head of a Fortune 500 company, a life of splendour, a life of happiness, etc. Such examples are a far cry away from the "I sued McDonald's because they made me fat" crowd, but it can be dangerously attractive to apply the same skewed "common sense" or conventional logic to what are really very different situations.
That's basically a more complex version of the ideas in my post yes. Also an example would be the criminal who steals a loaf of bread to feed his homeless family - yes he made the active decision to steal that bread, but it may not be his fault that he's in the position where, in order to survive, he has no other choice.
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:57 AM
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Re: Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?

Well people don't want to get the blame; they find it easier to blame someone else and to avoid the consequences. It does depend on the situation itself. You cannot generalise this, since circumstances varies.

It is only natural for human's to react this way. Sadly people like to take the easy way out and will always find a way to put the blame on another individual.

Like I stated before, you cannot generalise this since there could be other factors that contribute to what people refuse to take reasonability for their own actions.
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:33 PM
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People don't want to be wrong, or to blame.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:22 PM
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People don't want to be wrong, or to blame.
That does not mean they won't admit being wrong or being to blame when there is no responsibility elsewhere.
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That does not mean they won't admit being wrong or being to blame when there is no responsibility elsewhere.
You shouldn't have to remove the other elements in order for them to take responsibility for themselves.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:42 PM
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You shouldn't have to remove the other elements in order for them to take responsibility for themselves.
So you're saying people should take all the responsibility even where the responsibility wasn't entirely theirs, or even partially theirs? If there are other elements contributing to wrongdoing, it is hardly just to drop the burden on one factor entirely.
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