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You'd be surprised.

My biggest problem so far is that, while I know Democrats tend to be better at building reform than Republicans, I also don't have a clue if Obama is better at building/enacting reform than McCain because of his almost nonexistent track record.
Feel free to disagree, but I believe Biden's record makes up for Obama's lack there of.

I am looking forward to the future debates. They will be political slugfests.
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Feel free to disagree, but I believe Biden's record makes up for Obama's lack there of.

I am looking forward to the future debates. They will be political slugfests.
Another interesting side note.

Democrats currently control the house and senate, no?
If McCain wins the presidency but the Republicans lose to the Congressional seats in November, he will still have legislative power as he has bi-partisan allies.

If Obama is elected as president he will also need to preserve a Democratic majority in the Congressional seats in order to pass the needed legislation as his political ties are mostly in the Democratic party (I believe....)

So if you want Obama, vote for either an all Democratic ticket or figure out which senators/representatives will push his legislation through that are up for re-election.
If you want McCain, it doesn't really matter because he's already got several bi-partisan ties.

At least that's how I look at it......

I am also looking forward very much to the Debates....
Are they scheduled yet?
I don't want to miss them.
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Democrats currently control the house and senate, no?
If McCain wins the presidency but the Republicans lose to the Congressional seats in November, he will still have legislative power as he has bi-partisan allies.

If Obama is elected as president he will also need to preserve a Democratic majority in the Congressional seats in order to pass the needed legislation as his political ties are mostly in the Democratic party (I believe....)

So if you want Obama, vote for either an all Democratic ticket or figure out which senators/representatives will push his legislation through that are up for re-election.
If you want McCain, it doesn't really matter because he's already got several bi-partisan ties.

At least that's how I look at it......
That is one good side of electing McCain. He would be able to work with a democratic congress if nessecary.


I believe the schedule is as followed:

September 26, 2008: Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS
October 2, 2008: Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO
October 7, 2008: Presidential debate in a town hall format, Belmont University, Nashville, TN
October 15, 2008: Presidential debate with foreign policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

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Old 09-08-2008, 08:32 PM
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Palin simplifies the issue somewhat. She, as well as most people in D.C., is corrupt somewhat. However, she is tight on many issues, though her limited political experience could be seen as either conforming to match O-B or as something to take pride in because of her honest opinions. McCain-Palin will get along well; it shows the American voters that you don't have to be ancient to be conservative, Palin's being female may attract HC supporters and cause dissent, and the similar balance (an unexperienced, "new," and faithful person with an ancient, well-known, and experienced person) may continue to throw people off.
I agree Palin lacks experience in some areas, such as international politics, and just not being around the political scene long enough, however, she has governed people, being the governer of a state is similar to being the president, obviously there are crucial differences but we do know she can handle internal affairs. She is dedicated and smart, like Obama actually. So I think it is a good mix. I liked her speech at the RNC, and look foward to seeing more of her.

She needs press exposure as well, interveiws and her international veiws need to be heard.
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This may sound like a silly question.....
but are we allowed to vote for Obama President and Palin Vice President?
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Re: American Political Techniques of the 2008 Presidential Elections

Palin is a religious zealot and an apparent harbinger of the endtimes.

Why on earth would you want her one step away from the presidency.

The last thing we need is some crazywoman starting holy wars.
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Palin is a religious zealot and an apparent harbinger of the endtimes.

Why on earth would you want her one step away from the presidency.

The last thing we need is some crazywoman starting holy wars.
I haven't researched her yet.
I was just wondering if I decided I didn't like Biden if I could somehow vote for Palin.

You don't have to worry about her starting holy wars, but she might perpetuate them. I have no idea, to be honest.

Anyway, I'm still nervous that the KKR will oust Obama if he wins and we'll be stuck with whoever is left.

Biden would make a better President than perhaps Palin, but I still think Palin would be a good Vice president under Obama. Then she has to follow Big O's orders instead of McCains.
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Feel free to disagree, but I believe Biden's record makes up for Obama's lack there of.

I am looking forward to the future debates. They will be political slugfests.
I agree because Obama will be assassinated within weeks of taking oath if he gets the spot

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Another interesting side note.

Democrats currently control the house and senate, no?
If McCain wins the presidency but the Republicans lose to the Congressional seats in November, he will still have legislative power as he has bi-partisan allies.

If Obama is elected as president he will also need to preserve a Democratic majority in the Congressional seats in order to pass the needed legislation as his political ties are mostly in the Democratic party (I believe....)

So if you want Obama, vote for either an all Democratic ticket or figure out which senators/representatives will push his legislation through that are up for re-election.
If you want McCain, it doesn't really matter because he's already got several bi-partisan ties.

At least that's how I look at it......

I am also looking forward very much to the Debates....
Are they scheduled yet?
I don't want to miss them.
lets say that McCain gets the spot.

it's currently 51-49 as far as the senate goes.

and what happens if leiberman sides with McCains proposals?
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I doubt Obama will be assassinated, I doubt it strongly.

McCain would cause far more unhappiness and anger if he got into office than Obama ever could.
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Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with the second statement.
As for the first statement:

As long as Karl Khristian Rove is still alive and working at Faux new, I fear for Obama's life every day. Yes I'm paranoid. I also strongly dislike the man.

A fie upon him!

A fie upon the right wing media for housing him!

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lets say that McCain gets the spot.

it's currently 51-49 as far as the senate goes.

and what happens if leiberman sides with McCains proposals?
A dual partisan theocracy will reign stronger than the previous single partisan one. The Europeans will pity us even more so than when the stupid Bush was bringing us into war. They are getting rid of stupid puppets and getting smarter ones like Leiberman and McCain.

Leiberman has sour grapes
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This election will be decided by the people. If McCain gets into office, we know who to blame.

America deserves better than another Bush.
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This election will be decided by the people. If McCain gets into office, we know who to blame.

America deserves better than another Bush.


Well, to be fair, McCain isn't another Bush.......yet.
Also, to be fair to Leiberman, he's been pro-war since the beginning. It seems like his problem with Bush (if he even had any) would be that he doesn't know how to execute efficient war plans. (Bush seems like a piss poor strategist, oh wait.....he doesn't know how to strategize at all because KKR did it all for him.

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Well, to be fair, McCain isn't another Bush.......yet.
McCain is four more years of Bush. This isn't really disputed.
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Pro-war = bad.

Why is Leiberman even being discussed?
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Pro-war = bad.

Why is Leiberman even being discussed?
Because he spoke at the Republican convention in hopes that he could convince democrats to support McCain.

Although, it's not because Leiberman thinks McCain is the best candidate, it's because they're both pro-war buddies.

Well, that's the only reason I can see that Lieberman likes McCain. That and McCain is a war hero maverick whatever the names are for him.

@lelouch

Mcain is four more years of war, yes.
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Mcain is four more years of war, yes.
Last I checked it's four more years of Bush altogether. I haven't noticed any significant difference between what he's promising and what Bush has been doing anyway.
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Last I checked it's four more years of Bush altogether. I haven't noticed any significant difference between what he's promising and what Bush has been doing anyway.
Well, the difference theoretically will be:

1) McCain knows how to pronounce words in a more audible and understandable fashion
2) McCain will be smart enough to pick good advisers, listen to them, and stick with them. (so far he has not proven capable of this so far)
3)McCain will know how to fight terrorism more effectively than Bush (haven't seen proof that he can do it without calling a draft)
4) his plan to reform public education will be theoretically "better" than Bush's (actually it's worse, IMO)
5)He hints that he is trying to prevent another cold war with Russia (wtf)

In short that list is why I'm not voting for him right now, and you are correct. It's not a significant difference. Just a tweaking of the old trash that should've been thrown in the dumpster long ago.

Sadly people are stupid and I think I will boy-cot existing for a day if he gets reelected. oops, I meant elected.

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Well, the difference theoretically will be:

1) McCain knows how to pronounce words in a more audible and understandable fashion
2) McCain will be smart enough to pick good advisers, listen to them, and stick with them. (so far he has not proven capable of this so far)
3)McCain will know how to fight terrorism more effectively than Bush (haven't seen proof that he can do it without calling a draft)
4) his plan to reform public education will be theoretically "better" than Bush's (actually it's worse, IMO)
5)He hints that he is trying to prevent another cold war with Russia (wtf)

In short that list is why I'm not voting for him right now, and you are correct. It's not a significant difference. Just a tweaking of the old trash that should've been thrown in the dumpster long ago.

Sadly people are stupid and I think I will boy-cot existing for a day if he gets reelected. oops, I meant elected.

/slits wrists

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Well yeah, this is precisely what I said though. It's not a significant difference. He's promising an evolution on what Bush has done (in my opinion, a devolution overall) rather than what is essentially a revolution like what Obama seems to be promising. Now, whether or not Obama will actually deliver is to be disputed, but if I were an American citizen I'd rather take my chances with him.
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If Obama delivers it will be a marvelous thing, if McCain delivers it is a sign of the endtimes for America.

Obvious choice is obvious.
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Ah, sorry, I missed the word significant.

Indeed, it's not a significant difference. They are just tweaks, as you have stated.

And yes, I will be taking my chances with Obama.

(I'm still contemplating on voting for a Bi-partisan White house)

I know it's silly, but I think it would be a good change and a good watch dog system for the white house.

Admittedly, I don't know if those two could get along well enough to make a unifiable, bi-partisan white house.
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