Tennessee LOL

I was recently listening to the radio, and I heard something which peaked my fancy, the state of Tennessee is ONLY hiring the "lesser educated". For their government jobs they would prefer people who are not as smart as others. Why? Who knows.

They claimed it was because they cannot "trust" people in private schools, and children who are home schooled, because their curriculum's are not supported by the state government. So even though a person has better credentials than a public schools they would take the lesser educated...why?

It's pathetic really.

If this lasts any time at all, I will go to Tennessee and start handing out neck punches.

If this lasts any time at all, I will go to Tennessee and start handing out neck punches.

Because violence helps as a general rule.

They have a point. People in state schools aren't educated to fulfill the best of their ability: They're trained to obey, so the elite (The rich who are generally privately educated) can lead them in a throughly elitist aristocratic way. This is particularly evident in English schools, where the exams you take are based partially on how much money your parents earn, and what part of town you live in. From birth you are classed -- if you grew up in a caravan, people seem keen to keep you there.

This is assuming the media is broadcasting anything other than the usual absolute crap. Maybe this is based off a single case: Maybe one person from an extreme Mormonisitic/Catholic/Atheist/etc. school was applying for head of education. Having anyone being indoctrinated in such a way is, potentially, dangerous.

I don't think that something you glimpsed off the radio is substantial enough in any way to know what's going on, judge it, or start hitting people. It's entirely possible this is just something the media has blown out of proportion -- as they so often do.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

I was recently listening to the radio, and I heard something which peaked my fancy, the state of Tennessee is ONLY hiring the "lesser educated". For their government jobs they would prefer people who are not as smart as others. Why? Who knows.

They claimed it was because they cannot "trust" people in private schools, and children who are home schooled, because their curriculum's are not supported by the state government. So even though a person has better credentials than a public schools they would take the lesser educated...why?

It's pathetic really.

If this lasts any time at all, I will go to Tennessee and start handing out neck punches.

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I hate my state. With such a massive passion, that I can't begin to tell you. However, this does ensure continued conservative rule..

I'd like to see a reference here -- post a news article if you have one or something else for more background please.

Originally Posted by Trico

I'd like to see a reference here -- post a news article if you have one or something else for more background please.

Dido. I now people in Tennessee that are smart, but I know plenty that has the same IQ as a stone.

Originally Posted by Swordsman13

Dido. I now people in Tennessee that are smart, but I know plenty that has the same IQ as a stone.

You're being far too generous. The majority doesn't classify on any sort of intelligence-quota scale. Even though numbers are infinite, you can only count so low before you die of exhaustion.

Ok here is a website, and Awkin, I was joking. If I ever say something like that chuckle to yourself and ignore it

Tenn. Declares Only Dumbest Kids Wanted for State Jobs : Stop The ACLU

Awkin, why would you reject aplicants with homeschooled, or private schooled diploma's? Um....you wouldn't?

Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer". That site, judging from this line alone, is basically butthurt because rich students who don't need the jobs are being shafted in favour of poor kids who do.

Now I'm not saying I'm in support of employing less qualified people for the sake of equality, but in all honesty when such a biased site is saying something it's usually conveniently forgetting to mention a few things.

I could see a few reasons why that'd be justified, though. All the conservatives in America especially are all "Oh we can't have poor people leeching from the government's money now can we!", but then, if it is such a problem that so many privately educated students are trying to get a job in competition with poorer publicly-educated students (who aren't always subject to government propaganda since the teachers themselves will often have their views and express them), then the poor people having to leech off the government is understandable. Since rich people who don't need jobs are taking them from poor people who do.

Also, it's not like they're saying "We want you to refuse to employ this qualified person who was privately schooled, and instead we want you to employ this mentally handicapped, blind, deaf and dumb state-educated guy. Even if it's neurosurgery." Obviously if there's THAT much of a difference in the levels of education, you wouldn't even be applying for the same JOB. The difference is probably marginal.

I live near the state of Tennessee, specifically Georgia...and the same thing is starting to happen here, and it is irritating me. I currently cannot find an article about my state, but I will post one as soon as I come across one.

In our school, the majority of the funds are going towards the regular education classes and vocational/technical electives and classes. That particular area is also being glorified in school. Meanwhile, they've cut back on the funding for AP/Honors classes. Teachers that are sponsoring Decathlon, Mock Trial, and all of the other clubs that most of the "advanced" students join are having to pull money out of their own pockets to be able to sponsor us.

I was flunking honors biology because of a personal crisis, and then I was considering switching back to regular ed. My biology teacher stopped me and told me to not listen to the counselor, and she said the counselor's job was to make sure everyone graduates, so they have completely lowered their standards, allowing everyone to do so.

For example, Georgia has these EOCT (End Of Course Tests) things. Some people do fail them, which is sad. You are given 60 minutes to complete about 40 questions, and you must make at least a 70 to pass.

I probably spent no more than 10-15 minutes on the test, and I made a 94 on it, and I didn't really try. Then my biology teacher talked to the entire class about it, and then she told us to not worry about it because the entire test was a joke to the gifted students.

Now, about Tennessee, which is about a three mile drive/run/walk away from me. They've disrupted the natural order by doing this...they'll pay for it in the near future.

Originally Posted by Dulcie

I live near the state of Tennessee, specifically Georgia...and the same thing is starting to happen here, and it is irritating me. I currently cannot find an article about my state, but I will post one as soon as I come across one.

In our school, the majority of the funds are going towards the regular education classes and vocational/technical electives and classes. That particular area is also being glorified in school. Meanwhile, they've cut back on the funding for AP/Honors classes. Teachers that are sponsoring Decathlon, Mock Trial, and all of the other clubs that most of the "advanced" students join are having to pull money out of their own pockets to be able to sponsor us.

I was flunking honors biology because of a personal crisis, and then I was considering switching back to regular ed. My biology teacher stopped me and told me to not listen to the counselor, and she said the counselor's job was to make sure everyone graduates, so they have completely lowered their standards, allowing everyone to do so.

For example, Georgia has these EOCT (End Of Course Tests) things. Some people do fail them, which is sad. You are given 60 minutes to complete about 40 questions, and you must make at least a 70 to pass.

I probably spent no more than 10-15 minutes on the test, and I made a 94 on it, and I didn't really try. Then my biology teacher talked to the entire class about it, and then she told us to not worry about it because the entire test was a joke to the gifted students.

Now, about Tennessee, which is about a three mile drive/run/walk away from me. They've disrupted the natural order by doing this...they'll pay for it in the near future.

Isn't that more an issue with standardized tests than private school students getting shafted?

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

Isn't that more an issue with standardized tests than private school students getting shafted?

Yes, partially, but the overall issue is that they're preferring less educated people rather than well educated people...

Originally Posted by Dulcie

Yes, partially, but the overall issue is that they're preferring less educated people rather than well educated people...

"Less educated" does not mean "not well educated", it could mean that someone just has a B instead of an A in something.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer". That site, judging from this line alone, is basically butthurt because rich students who don't need the jobs are being shafted in favour of poor kids who do.

So? YOu are trying to justify this by assuming that these kids are rich? And don't need the jobs? What if a smart kid need a job, and he gets denied because of this idiocy? What then?

Now I'm not saying I'm in support of employing less qualified people for the sake of equality, but in all honesty when such a biased site is saying something it's usually conveniently forgetting to mention a few things.

Like what? Can you find those for us?

I could see a few reasons why that'd be justified, though. All the conservatives in America especially are all "Oh we can't have poor people leeching from the government's money now can we!", but then, if it is such a problem that so many privately educated students are trying to get a job in competition with poorer publicly-educated students (who aren't always subject to government propaganda since the teachers themselves will often have their views and express them), then the poor people having to leech off the government is understandable. Since rich people who don't need jobs are taking them from poor people who do.

Leeching from the government is welfare and the like, not working for them...

And again, you continue to assume these other kids are somehow more wealthy than the Public schoolers.

Also, it's not like they're saying "We want you to refuse to employ this qualified person who was privately schooled, and instead we want you to employ this mentally handicapped, blind, deaf and dumb state-educated guy. Even if it's neurosurgery." Obviously if there's THAT much of a difference in the levels of education, you wouldn't even be applying for the same JOB. The difference is probably marginal.

Actually they kinda are.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

So? YOu are trying to justify this by assuming that these kids are rich? And don't need the jobs? What if a smart kid need a job, and he gets denied because of this idiocy? What then?

If he went to a private school, then he's in no form of financial need whatsoever, since you have to pay for private schooling. Same for home-tutoring. Unless his parents took out a loan, which is unlikely because there's no reason a parent would send their kid to a private school for a price they can't afford when there's a perfectly good public school round the corner for free.

Like what? Can you find those for us?

I shouldn't need to cite why a site, whose tagline is a show of fear of something which stopped being something worth fearing nearly twenty years ago, may not be telling the whole truth. The only possible way you wouldn't take what they're saying with at least a grain of salt is if you still believe communism is a threat, and even I can see that this is the sort of site that would call European countries "socialist".

Leeching from the government is welfare and the like, not working for them...

Though the point that all welfare is not leeching is a point to be argued elsewhere, I can't help but feel I need to point out the idiocy in stating such. And it'd be easy to see why some conservative CEOs would think poor workers getting paid would be leeching, since they'd want to pay their underlings less and less so they can keep more themselves.

And again, you continue to assume these other kids are somehow more wealthy than the Public schoolers.

See above.

Actually they kinda are.

What, no. Do you not notice the sheer absurdity of what I was suggesting? Employing someone slightly less qualified for the job is totally different to employing someone who's not qualified for the job at all. And as I said in my previous post, "less educated" does not mean poorly educated, it could just mean that the person got a B instead of an A or somesuch.


Also on another note entirely, employers don't take JUST your qualifications into account, at least in this country. They take into account your previous work experience, various activities you may have taken part in (such as student's union politics, or even sports, etc), and so if someone is slightly less qualified and has all these, they'll get the place instead of someone who has the maximum qualifications but nothing else.

Sage of Earth: What about scholarships? I can only go to the school I do because of 100% scholarship. Similarly, some parents may take out a loan to get their children into a private school, as public schools are usually looked down upon in comparison, especially here in the UK.

Note that I'm not to familiar with American education, so feel free to correct me should I say anything wrong.

Originally Posted by DarkVaati

Sage of Earth: What about scholarships? I can only go to the school I do because of 100% scholarship. Similarly, some parents may take out a loan to get their children into a private school, as public schools are usually looked down upon in comparison, especially here in the UK.

Note that I'm not to familiar with American education, so feel free to correct me should I say anything wrong.

Well I got a scholarship for my University as well, but that wouldn't cover my costs. I can afford it because it's in close proximity to my own home, so I can live at home for my studies.

I mentioned the possibility of parents taking out a loan, but most parents wouldn't bother, since it's easier to just send your kid to a public school than it is to spend a whole load of money that you don't even have on it.

Besides, I went to a public school, and I've turned out fine. In America, it's possible that since the state isn't very welfare-y, that anything run by the state can't be that good, so people would rather go to private schools. But the financial crisis I mention above still applies.

I'd just like to bring up the point that just because a kid goes to a private school does not mean they are rich. many hard-working middle class parents sacrifice a lot to send their kids to private/parochial/whatever schools, on the hopes that they are giving their kids a better education and a better chance to be more successful than themselves. Just because a family can afford (sometimes barely) to send their kids to a private school, does NOT mean they're rich, by any means! imagine how heartbreaking to the paretns it must be for them to see their kids shafted when good/higher-paying/societally-infuencial jobs are going to lesser educated people. It makes everything they strived for for their kids' education mean nil.

I'd still like to see an actual reference (like, say, the statement in question), and not the opinion of a blog called "Stop the ACLU".

Originally Posted by Margar

I'd just like to bring up the point that just because a kid goes to a private school does not mean they are rich. many hard-working middle class parents sacrifice a lot to send their kids to private/parochial/whatever schools, on the hopes that they are giving their kids a better education and a better chance to be more successful than themselves. Just because a family can afford (sometimes barely) to send their kids to a private school, does NOT mean they're rich, by any means! imagine how heartbreaking to the paretns it must be for them to see their kids shafted when good/higher-paying/societally-infuencial jobs are going to lesser educated people. It makes everything they strived for for their kids' education mean nil.

This is, however, not as often the case as you might like to think, at least not in this country. And middle-classes, social classes 2 and 3, are still much better off than lower classes, 4 and 5.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

This is, however, not as often the case as you might like to think, at least not in this country. And middle-classes, social classes 2 and 3, are still much better off than lower classes, 4 and 5.

well I personally know several people who were in that situation. I'm just speaking from my own actual experience. I went to high school right next to a catholic k-8 school, and most of the people who used to go there, couldn't afford to comtinue on to a private high school, so they came to Ellet (my HS). not only that, but I've also heard other peoples' stories of their parents working 2 or 3 jobs to pay for their schooling. My step aunt and unle both worked 2 jobs to send their son to a private school.

besides- even if a kid DOES come from a rich family, the kid will still need to get their own job and make their own money when they grow up. it's not like all, or even most, rich kids just get a free ride from their parents as long as they live. you see that on tv and stuff, but it's not really like that for most people.

and thirdly, these numbered class levels you speak of are completely new to me. where do you pull those from?