Tennessee LOL

Originally Posted by Margar

well I personally know several people who were in that situation. I'm just speaking from my own actual experience. I went to high school right next to a catholic k-8 school, and most of the people who used to go there, couldn't afford to comtinue on to a private high school, so they came to Ellet (my HS). not only that, but I've also heard other peoples' stories of their parents working 2 or 3 jobs to pay for their schooling. My step aunt and unle both worked 2 jobs to send their son to a private school.

Well, fair enough, but I honestly don't think that's as often the case as some might think. And, well, if a parent would prefer to send their child to a private school and have to pay for it, that's their problem. The state provides education for your tax money.

besides- even if a kid DOES come from a rich family, the kid will still need to get their own job and make their own money when they grow up. it's not like all, or even most, rich kids just get a free ride from their parents as long as they live. you see that on tv and stuff, but it's not really like that for most people.

I'm aware of that, but that's the case with universities and student finance here. They rely on the income of your parents to see how much they need to give you often, even though by that point you may have decided to leave home altogether, or your parents just refuse to pay for you. And well, some parents are dickish enough to charge rent to their children. Despite this, however, at least rich kids have the ability to get a "free ride" from their parents, or probably have reasonably-sized accounts as is, or at least aren't in need when they leave school, just in a neutral position of wanting to earn money rather than make up for a loss. Those who are in debt when leaving a private school, however, will need the jobs to pay for their costs, but as I say, the state provides education for you.

Lower class people however are often in debt anyway by way of their low position in life meaning they have to pay off various debts, or simply don't have the money to spare and so need as much of it as they can get just to survive. Especially in America where the system's practically designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, or to exclude the poor altogether. Here at least we have a lot of costs paid for us, and so don't need to save up for health-care or otherwise because the state pays most of that for us, but even then we're still struggling. America doesn't have any of that.

and thirdly, these numbered class levels you speak of are completely new to me. where do you pull those from?

What little I learned from my law teacher, who was also a sociology teacher, so she always pointed out whenever she was referencing her sociology lessons. There are five social classes, all being based on their economic situations. I needed to know this because most magistrates are mostly from class III for example, the middle-class, which means they're managers or employers who can actually afford to take a day off once in a while to become magistrates because they make so much as-is.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

Well, fair enough, but I honestly don't think that's as often the case as some might think. And, well, if a parent would prefer to send their child to a private school and have to pay for it, that's their problem. The state provides education for your tax money.

weeeeell, the key word in your response is that you DON'T THINK that's the case. you don't know (and neither do I, since I don't feel like researching it) !
but my main point that I was trying to get across is that the type of education one has had, or the amount of money their families have shouldn't have anything do do with anything. it's easy to sit here and say "well who cares, rich people are rich, they can get ahead in life easier anyway", but from a truly objective standpoint, I'd rather see someone who has the IQ and credentials get a job over the less qualified person anyday, even if they're already a millionair. dumb people can go to great schools too. anyone can pass tests and regurgitate information. it's the practical applications and common sense that make a person worth employing.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

What little I learned from my law teacher, who was also a sociology teacher, so she always pointed out whenever she was referencing her sociology lessons. There are five social classes, all being based on their economic situations. I needed to know this because most magistrates are mostly from class III for example, the middle-class, which means they're managers or employers who can actually afford to take a day off once in a while to become magistrates because they make so much as-is.

I didn't realize you weren't from the US. I have never heard of the place in your location under your avy. i thought it was a ficticious place... (or maybe it is and you just haven't listed where you actually live, hell if i know! sorry to sound dumb)

Originally Posted by Margar

weeeeell, the key word in your response is that you DON'T THINK that's the case. you don't know (and neither do I, since I don't feel like researching it) !

This is true, but I think my opinion is more valid than a violently anti-communist blog's one.

but my main point that I was trying to get across is that the type of education one has had, or the amount of money their families have shouldn't have anything do do with anything. it's easy to sit here and say "well who cares, rich people are rich, they can get ahead in life easier anyway", but from a truly objective standpoint, I'd rather see someone who has the IQ and credentials get a job over the less qualified person anyday, even if they're already a millionair. dumb people can go to great schools too. anyone can pass tests and regurgitate information. it's the practical applications and common sense that make a person worth employing.

Exactly, so qualifications aren't worth crap if that's the case. As I mentioned earlier, employers (here at least) take into account more than just your grades and degrees. They take key skills training, they take work experience, and various activities whether political, religious, or sporty in nature into account to get a better idea of your character. And if it's all based on these, I'd rather see someone with some good credentials get the job than someone who got straight-As and has absolutely nothing else to his name.

And, well, as I've said repeatedly, less qualified doesn't mean not well qualified. And it's a totally different scenario to employing someone who's not qualified at all. Often for the jobs that need high qualifications, they'll only take like, a small margin of error. As and Bs, and nothing less than that, for example. There's not that much difference. So if a person with a few Bs and loads of work experience and social activities to his name gets in over a person with a few As and nothing else special, I wouldn't honestly be surprised nor blame the employer. As you say, an exam only shows your ability to pass exams, not your intelligence level, nor your application of knowledge.

I didn't realize you weren't from the US. I have never heard of the place in your location under your avy. i thought it was a ficticious place... (or maybe it is and you just haven't listed where you actually live, hell if i know! sorry to sound dumb)

"Cymru" is Welsh for "Wales"

Sage of Earth, you are not aware of the difference in education are you? You are assuming. If you DO know, please inform us.

Until then, by asking for the "lesser educated", they are denying the "better educated" jobs, that is bad, why in the hell would you be denied a job if you are smart?

And everyone else, please stop ranting on about the site. If you want to find a more "sane" one please find it yourself and post it.

Diploma measure still faces hurdles : State and Regional News : Knoxville News Sentinel

Here is a less biased source. This only applies to home schooled kids. Tennessee does have a point though, there are kids who are dropping out of public schools, and then getting a home school certificate. Who is to say that these home schooled kids are even educated as well as a public schooled one. Home schoolers are not even required to take proficiency tests.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

And everyone else, please stop ranting on about the site. If you want to find a more "sane" one please find it yourself and post it.

Well that's just the thing - I can't find another one. All I can find is that stupid article posted at a bunch of sites. Valor, you started this thread. Maybe you could find the official statement?

I'm not denying that this is happening - it's just fairly obvious that there's more to it than these people say. It would be pretty unfair to judge this entirely based on someone else's interpretation, non?

EDIT: If that article is any indication of the actual bill, then it's not at all what that radio show or that blog post said it was. The bill actually proposes that homeschooled people who don't take any exit exams or equivalency test are not to be treated as though they have real high school diplomas. To me that sounds perfectly fair - homeschooling is often (though not always) an easy way out of a standard education. As the article points out, it is much easier for a homeschooled kid to pass than it is to pass public school, because all you need in homeschooling is participation. If you simply took a GED test, you would be homeschooled and have a high school-equivalent degree. This way, the students who just participated and had no results are filtered out. I would hardly call that "only hiring the lesser educated."

So how did that load of crap start? My guess is that, since homeschoolers have averaged slightly higher on some standardized tests, people are twisting this to equate "homeschool" with "smart" and "public school" with "lesser educated." This is of course insignificant, because if you are in fact smarter, you can very easily take the GED test to prove it.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Sage of Earth, you are not aware of the difference in education are you? You are assuming. If you DO know, please inform us.

Until then, by asking for the "lesser educated", they are denying the "better educated" jobs, that is bad, why in the hell would you be denied a job if you are smart?

And everyone else, please stop ranting on about the site. If you want to find a more "sane" one please find it yourself and post it.

You're right, I am assuming, but since my assumption is grounded in fact my point stands.

I elaborated on your second point several times in my posts.

And the fact that there isn't a more sane one complaining or promoting about it simply proves our point - this is the only site that gives a crap because it's blowing what is a relatively minor issue, according to Mad Hatter's evaluation, out of proportion. In fact, that's not even the issue they were arguing, if what Mad Hatter has pointed out is in fact correct, and so they've not only blown it out of proportion, but horribly misrepresented the issue altogether.

............. i live here in tennessee, and i havent heard anything like that. >

Originally Posted by linkachu!

............. i live here in tennessee, and i havent heard anything like that. >

Then you have my sympathies for living in such a horrid place as I do.

i dont like it either. i want to live in australia. ^_^

Its not just Tennessee really its the whole south the "bible belt" they want to be bible thumpers and no more, change the US to under the Christian god and no other. Keep education center around there personal belief which i find crime against the advancement of our human intellect but its not just there beliefs, they always had a elite circle of rich folk and they do want any new members down there so they cut fundings for APs and honors and let you experience the best electives in the country because there fun and most of the time you don't learn anything that would further your education to a management job or a high paying one. If you somehow survived the southern public education system and have at least some smarts left i commend you and you can make it anywhere! i am not one of those lucky few I've been through the NY public school system you could probably tell with all the grammar errors that i cant find.(I was always bad at English)

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

You're being far too generous. The majority doesn't classify on any sort of intelligence-quota scale. Even though numbers are infinite, you can only count so low before you die of exhaustion.

Its not just Tennessee really its the whole south the "bible belt" they want to be bible thumpers and no more, change the US to under the Christian god and no other.

Because discrimination against anything other than black people is okay, right?

Originally Posted by Master Jaken

Because discrimination against anything other than black people is okay, right?

How is that in any way related to the statement you quoted?

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

How is that in any way related to the statement you quoted?

I was wondering the same thing!

I'm saying he's saying that all people from Tennessee are stupid, which is discrimination.

Originally Posted by Master Jaken

I'm saying he's saying that all people from Tennessee are stupid, which is discrimination.

show me where he says ALL people from TN are stupid.

Originally Posted by Master Jaken

I'm saying he's saying that all people from Tennessee are stupid, which is discrimination.

I'm not saying all of them are stupid. Just the majority. The white trash, the porch monkeys, wetbacks, ect. Useless creatures, all of them.

They have amazing Waffle House down in Tennessee.

This is getting silly fast, let's try to get it somewhere closer to on-track, 'kay?