Why so lose about porn/homosexual junk on the net?

Originally Posted by DekuQueen


I know those were the words I used. Yes. I can read.

He was exaggerating what he thought I was implying when I said 'homosexual race'. Wow, so suddenly, because I just say that, I'm some anti-homosexual evil plotting human?

I never said any such thing. You're the one exaggerating here. I simply said that your choice of words implies that, either consciously or sub-consciously, you must think that homosexuals are so drastically different that they can be regarded as a different race of humanity. Or you were joking, but it wasn't in the kind of context where it could've been perceived as one, and you're probably intelligent enough to have seen that.

Holy cow you're being defensive. I have nothing against homosexuals, geezum crow. Picking out that I said "race" when I said homosexual is simply finding all the most ridiculous, obscure things a person says as politically offensive. And I'm sorry, but I hate political correctness, just as another note. And to be honest, nobody even SAYS "the female species" or "the blonde breed" but I can bet you many people have said 'homosexual race' without intending any sort of negative reaction. You really need to calm down.

That's hardly obscure, in fact I dare say it stood out simply because of the context. Saying it's obscure just shows your clear disregard towards what homosexuals may think.

It's not political correctness gone mad. Political correctness gone mad is when I can't make jokes about someone in an accident being rear-ended without my gay cousin jumping in my face, or the fact that I can't sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep" because someone thinks it's racist, or the fact that even DARING to suggest that a woman may not be strong enough to do a certain job is somehow typical male oppression of the headstrong and independent woman. And no, I've never heard anyone say "homosexual race", not even from homophobic people, and I doubt you have either, so it's just as ridiculous as my two examples. I don't know where you think it's okay to get off with such implications, political correctness aside. If you meant it as a joke I might get it, but you're just brushing it off as an aside comment that doesn't matter, when it may very well do. I don't claim to speak for all homosexuals or coloured people or women, so any particular individual may not really mind, but it's still better to avoid being too offensive, but I do agree there's no need to tiptoe around the shop just in case you break something.

Political correctness is necessary, otherwise I could easily go around calling all black people n*ggers and Jim Crows, and loudly wondering why particular women are sitting in a coffee shop discussing business instead of cooking their hard-working husbands dinner, or accusing a gay person of making it up just because he's not wearing pink and doesn't like musicals. I agree we shouldn't go overboard with it, but to suggest that political correctness is stupid, is stupid. It's simply a form of tact.

On an aside, I'm aware that some groups of black people do call each other "nigga", but if a white person does it it's seen as horribly derogatory. Hypocritical, mayhaps, but I still respect why it's unacceptable.

Can you please point out in any of my posts where I am outright condeming anyone who is homosexual to hell? Or his, for that matter? Obviously that is what you are stating, because you're saying that I'm discriminating against them and I'm having some sort of bigotry. Please point out to where I've done such a thing, and point out something valid. I'm seriously offended, and rather stunned by your ignorance that you're so randomly accusing me of such a bold offense.

I never said you did any of that. Please point to where you think I may have done. I was simply saying that you seemed to be defending unacceptable behaviour. And I'm rather offended that you call me ignorant, considering you're the one who throws around terms such as "homosexual race" with such disregard. Whether or not you think it's okay, it's not acceptable.

I am NOT discriminating against anyone. YOU are discirminating against me, without even
knowing me as a person, or my opinions on things, and that’s ten times worse. You’re not making yourself seem really intelligent at the moment.

And you're not making yourself seem intelligent at all. Discriminate: "to make differences (between), to distinguish; to treat (people) differently because of their race, gender, etc". We are doing no such thing to you. I'm treating you exactly the same as if anyone else had said such things.

Firstly, I at least was only pointing out that you at least seemed to be defending unreasonable bigotry, and secondly I was pointing out the retarded offensiveness of your statement, and in this post, the sheer gall you must have to try and defend that statement which can't possibly be construed in a good light. As far as I've noticed I haven't made any judgment on you as a person, nor have I tried, so don't try to guilt me into saying I'm wrong by telling me you're offended or insulted by what you perceive to be a personal attack on you, and maybe return to the subject at hand since I believe we've digressed rather horribly from the topic.

Wait, are we accusing each other of something...while the other one has cleared up that he/she didn't mean it like that? What's the use in that? "BUT YOU SAID THIS IN HERE!". If the other person said you interpreted it wrong, you should just accept it and move on. Because now, this thread is evolving into a personal issue.

Anyway, to get back on-topic, I look at the internet as something which should be a complete freedom of speech, image and sound as long as it's all legal. Homosexuality is legal, porn is legal (with an age-limit, k, true), so...it should be allowed to be here on the internet!

And oh, just a sidenote; porn is the content which is being watched the most on the internet. Not because people can't avoid it, but because they are LOOKING for it. Because, to be honest with you, I've never run into porn when I wasn't looking for it :p. Pop-up blockers, anti-virus programs and common sense should do the trick.

Originally Posted by Shigeru

Wait, are we accusing each other of something...while the other one has cleared up that he/she didn't mean it like that? What's the use in that? "BUT YOU SAID THIS IN HERE!". If the other person said you interpreted it wrong, you should just accept it and move ong. Because now, this thread is evolving into a personal issue.

If I called a black guy a n*gger and then when he blew up at me I told him he interpreted it wrong, that's doesn't make it okay. I'm aware I've drawn it out probably a lot longer than it needed to be, but the point needed to be made I felt.

Anyway, to get back on-topic, I look at the internet as something which should be a complete freedom of speech, image and sound as long as it's all legal. Homosexuality is legal, porn is legal (with an age-limit, k, true), so...it should be allowed to be here on the internet!

And oh, just a sidenote; porn is the content which is being watched the most on the internet. Not because people can't avoid it, but because they are LOOKING for it. Because, to be honest with you, I've never run into porn when I wasn't looking for it :p. Pop-up blockers, anti-virus programs and common sense should do the trick.

Well, often me and my friends got bored in IT lessons and started typing our names into Google with some rather horrifying results which nearly got us banned from the school's system. But that's to be expected.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

If I called a black guy a n*gger and then when he blew up at I told him he interpreted it wrong, that's doesn't make it okay.

LOL! I seriously laughed at this argument. Are you kidding me xD? Dude, would this be your fault or the other one's fault? There's always something which is called....being adultlike. Solving things in an adult way. If you just snap like that, because of something like this, then you should be locked up for a few years. I'm just saying....

You're thinking of ridiculous doom-scenario's here to make your point, which is rather lame to be honest :p. Also, you should be wise enough too and I'm sure you are. I mean, I'm not going to call someone from Iran a 'fag' , just to poke fun at him. Because I KNOW people over there get the death sentence when they're homosexual. Yet, I always think that if I'd be seriously joking about it, that person should be able to understand that I'm coming from an other culture and that he should simply act adult-like to solve that matter. Same goes for the 'nigga'-issue.

Well, often me and my friends got bored in IT lessons and started typing our names into Google with some rather horrifying results. But that's to be expected.

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Is your name "Gloryhole" or something? Dude, yet another ridiculous example to make your point, sorry xD....

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

I never said any such thing. You're the one exaggerating here. I simply said that your choice of words implies that, either consciously or sub-consciously, you must think that homosexuals are so drastically different that they can be regarded as a different race of humanity. Or you were joking, but it wasn't in the kind of context where it could've been perceived as one, and you're probably intelligent enough to have seen that.

Alright. I can honestly assure you though, I had absolutely NO intention whatsoever to offened anyone who is homosexual by having the word "race" after that. Race can be used in a general sense as well, and honesly, it is correct to say "blonde breed" if you think about it. It's just that it sounds weird to say it like that, so we don't. I'm sorry if I was being rude by saying "homosexual race" but it's still a weak point of argument for proving that I have something against them. It was not my intention at all. My first point was, I don't see why it was even valid to bring up in the first place.

That's hardly obscure, in fact I dare say it stood out simply because of the context. Saying it's obscure just shows your clear disregard towards what homosexuals may think.

Except that it is obscure... since I didn't mean it as something offensive in the first place. You're saying that I have disregard for what they think now? You're assuming things... because I don't. I'd never say someone who is homosexual isn't a human, or that they are a subspecies. I used race as a general term, was all. I had no idea it was something that could be honestly read as offensive... I really don't see why it should be offensive either. o.O

It's not political correctness gone mad. Political correctness gone mad is when I can't make jokes about someone in an accident being rear-ended without my gay cousin jumping in my face, or the fact that I can't sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep" because someone thinks it's racist, or the fact that even DARING to suggest that a woman may not be strong enough to do a certain job is somehow typical male oppression of the headstrong and independent woman. And no, I've never heard anyone say "homosexual race", not even from homophobic people, and I doubt you have either, so it's just as ridiculous as my two examples. I don't know where you think it's okay to get off with such implications, political correctness aside. If you meant it as a joke I might get it, but you're just brushing it off as an aside comment that doesn't matter, when it may very well do.

I said I just hate political correctness in general. I don't care what degree, or what level political correctness is ... I believe it to be something that causes more discrimination than it does to help fix it, for the most part. That's my general idea of it, however.

Political correctness is necessary, otherwise I could easily go around calling all black people n*ggers and Jim Crows, and loudly wondering why particular women are sitting in a coffee shop discussing business instead of cooking their hard-working husbands dinner, or accusing a gay person of making it up just because he's not wearing pink and doesn't like musicals. I agree we shouldn't go overboard with it, but to suggest that political correctness is stupid, is stupid. It's simply a form of tact.

Of course. But I suppose I see those examples you gave just then is something more related to being polite, and having common decency ... not something we should include in political correctness. That's just how I view it. I would not call a black person EVER in my life a n*gger, not because it's politically incorrect, but because it's simply discusting and inhumane to do. Because what angers me more, is that people will walk around calling each other "*****es" and "sluts" or "whores" and they don't think it's bad at all. Do they KNOW what those words mean? People these days just honestly, don't know what goes out of their mouths. And then some five year old girl hears it, and thinks it's ok to say.

I understand if sometimes people are joking, when they say "Hey you Biatch, get over here!" I do it sometimes too... But still ... if you think about it, in truth, it's still not a great thing to say to someone...

I just think that we need to also watch all the words we say, if we want to be completely politically 'correct'. I am first and foremost, polite, and then I worry about being politically correct. Yes, some degree of political correctness is necissary, but people take it to degrees that shouldn't be even bothered.

On an aside, I'm aware that some groups of black people do call each other "nigga", but if a white person does it it's seen as horribly derogatory. Hypocritical, mayhaps, but I still respect why it's unacceptable.

I think sometimes white people complain about this too much, but I definately agree with you here. I think it should be unacceptable for a white person to say or a black person. I don't see why there should be an acception. It's stupid.

I never said you did any of that. Please point to where you think I may have done. I was simply saying that you seemed to be defending unacceptable behaviour. And I'm rather offended that you call me ignorant, considering you're the one who throws around terms such as "homosexual race" with such disregard. Whether or not you think it's okay, it's not acceptable.

Except that you're honestly overreacting at such a statement, and yes, I am calling you ignorant on the aspect that you think you know exactally how I perceive things. What unacceptable behavior was I defending?

And you're not making yourself seem intelligent at all. Discriminate: "to make differences (between), to distinguish; to treat (people) differently because of their race, gender, etc". We are doing no such thing to you. I'm treating you exactly the same as if anyone else had said such things.

I'm truely sorry, I really am ... I seriously do not understand how something that small can be so offensive. I ... wow. I don't really get what's to be debated here. I said 'homosexual race'. I'm catagorizing them into a group of people who are like that ... I'm not discriminating. It's like saying the heterosexual race...or the blonde race. I didn't mean it in a sense that was offensive, and since I didn't, I was just discribing them. Just like saying "the human race" in a general sense. o.O

Firstly, I at least was only pointing out that you at least seemed to be defending unreasonable bigotry, and secondly I was pointing out the retarded offensiveness of your statement, and in this post, the sheer gall you must have to try and defend that statement which can't possibly be construed in a good light. As far as I've noticed I haven't made any judgment on you as a person, nor have I tried, so don't try to guilt me into saying I'm wrong by telling me you're offended or insulted by what you perceive to be a personal attack on you, and maybe return to the subject at hand since I believe we've digressed rather horribly from the topic.

Except that you have made judgement on me. You have said I have been discriminative, and that I have apparently a dislike of homosexuals and consider them to be something alien and discusting when I used the word "race" after the word "homosexual". You said that in your last post, and that's what I was upset about. I just feel like you've overexaggerated it.

We've digressed horribly from the topic, though I think that happened a while ago when the idea of homosexuality was brought up all together (in such a specific sense). In fact, I do not dissagree with you on the point that homosexuality is something gross ... it's not. For some reason though, you assumed I had more bad intentions when I said that. I understand now that WHY it can be taken offensively if I say "homosexual race" but that's then that's like saying "heterosexual race" is bad too. It's not. It's just classifying...I don't see the offensiveness in it, because there really is none in how I was using the word.

Originally Posted by Shigeru

LOL! I seriously laughed at this argument. Are you kidding me xD? Dude, would this be your fault or the other one's fault? There's always something which is called....being adultlike. Solving things in an adult way. If you just snap like that, because of something like this, then you should be locked up for a few years. I'm just saying....

You're thinking of ridiculous doom-scenario's here to make your point, which is rather lame to be honest :p. Also, you should be wise enough too and I'm sure you are. I mean, I'm not going to call someone from Iran a 'fag' , just to poke fun at him. Because I KNOW people over there get the death sentence when they're homosexual. Yet, I always think that if I'd be seriously joking about it, that person should be able to understand that I'm coming from an other culture and that he should simply act adult-like to solve that matter. Same goes for the '******'-issue.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here, how is that a ridiculous example? Saying "homosexual race" is just as derogatory as "n*gger", whether or not it's jokingly it can still offend people. I'm not sure what you mean by "ridiculous doom-scenario" either, elaborate.

And I am wise enough to know better, that's why I don't do it.

Is your name "Gloryhole" or something? Dude, yet another ridiculous example to make your point, sorry xD....

Well, for one I had a friend called "Zoe". Her name produced some porn on the front page. Mine, nothing on the first page, might've been a bit further along but we didn't look that far. And it's hardly a ridiculous example, srsly.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

I'm not sure where you're coming from here, how is that a ridiculous example? Saying "homosexual race" is just as derogatory as "n*gger", whether or not it's jokingly it can still offend people. I'm not sure what you mean by "ridiculous doom-scenario" either, elaborate.

And I am wise enough to know better, that's why I don't do it.

I love it how you just throw away 90% of my reply, to take out this tiny bit to 'grab' people on. You should seriously reconsider the fact that you're becoming an internet-hooligan right now. I'm sure you don't want that...so you might want to turn more into an understanding person or at least read the COMPLETE post, before you reply.

And you know what? That's all I'm going to say after I've quoted this part. Yes, I'm using your method xD.

Well, for one I had a friend called "Zoe". Her name produced some porn on the front page. Mine, nothing on the first page, might've been a bit further along but we didn't look that far. And it's hardly a ridiculous example, srsly.

Use porn-filters. End of. And, it sounds like you WERE looking for porn. I mean, it's not like the result of a search-engine gets you any porn on your screen. No, you have to click first. So it IS a ridiculous example. Srsly.

Originally Posted by Shigeru

I love it how you just throw away 90% of my reply, to take out this tiny bit to 'grab' people on. You should seriously reconsider the fact that you're becoming an internet-hooligan right now. I'm sure you don't want that...so you might want to turn more into an understanding person or at least read the COMPLETE post, before you reply.

And you know what? That's all I'm going to say after I've quoted this part. Yes, I'm using your method xD.

Yeah, ridiculing me isn't holiganism at all. I did read the complete post, and the top half of your post was a single point. Which I addressed. And if you were making more than one point, I couldn't tell, because it made little sense to me. I asked for an elaboration, which you either decided to disregard, or didn't read. So please elaborate, which is what I asked for, rather than disregarding it and trying to insult me for whatever reason, as you seem to be accusing me of doing.

Use porn-filters. End of. And, it sounds like you WERE looking for porn. I mean, it's not like the result of a search-engine gets you any porn on your screen. No, you have to click first. So it IS a ridiculous example. Srsly.

Yeah, but when you go on google images you see the pictures there, whether or not you can go onto the sites in question. We couldn't access the sites in school anyway. Plus safesearch doesn't always work, some sites aren't registered as unsafe. Plus, I never said we WEREN'T looking for porn, just the fact that we found it so easily was a bit surprising. I just felt like pointing it out because I thought it was funny, not because I'm complaining.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here, how is that a ridiculous example? Saying "homosexual race" is just as derogatory as "n*gger", whether or not it's jokingly it can still offend people. I'm not sure what you mean by "ridiculous doom-scenario" either, elaborate.

Except that homosexual race doesn't have any sort of derogatory definition, nor does it have any sort of negative background, it's simply a ... phrase.

Honestly, I'm sure if you went out and called a black person the n word, and then you said "homosexual race" in front of a homosexual person, that you would probably get a very different reaction.

I'm sorry, but if I was black, and I read that statement, I would be very offended that you think it's just as bad to say "homosexual race" as it is to say, the n word. So why isn't saying "homosexual race" deemed as bad in schools? Why isnt' it banned from using in certain situations? I can understand why calling someone "gay" or "fag" is bad, but not... saying "homosexual race".


I think I'm going to start a topic on Political Correctness...hm.

Originally Posted by DekuQueen

Except that homosexual race doesn't have any sort of derogatory definition, nor does it have any sort of negative background, it's simply a ... phrase.

Honestly, I'm sure if you went out and called a black person the n word, and then you said "homosexual race" in front of a gay/lesbian person, that you would probably get a very different reaction.

I'm sorry, but if I was black, and I read that statement, I would be very offended that you think it's just as bad to say "homosexual race" as it is to say, the n word. So why isn't saying "homosexual race" deemed as bad in schools? Why isnt' it banned from using in certain situations?


I think I'm going to start a topic on Political Correctness...hm.

I was actually thinking of doing the same, it seems like it'd be interesting.

I've never heard anyone, at all, ever, use homosexual "race" as a term. If schools use it then they really shouldn't. Also it's not banned because I doubt it's so commonly used that it warrants being banned.

It may not be as bad as the n-word, granted, but it is still quite bad if you throw it around willy-nilly. I think we've made a big enough deal out of that particular statement anyway, I'm tired of arguing about it and it seems that you genuinely meant no harm by it despite my interpretations and assumptions, so we may as well drop it.

Originally Posted by DekuQueen

I'm truely sorry, I really am ... I seriously do not understand how something that small can be so offensive. I ... wow. I don't really get what's to be debated here. I said 'homosexual race'. I'm catagorizing them into a group of people who are like that ... I'm not discriminating. It's like saying the heterosexual race...or the blonde race. I didn't mean it in a sense that was offensive, and since I didn't, I was just discribing them. Just like saying "the human race" in a general sense. o.O

Et cetera.

Okay, look. I'm just coming into this discussion, but I know what ego balloons are when I see them. Almost this entire post is an extension of how much you want to elaborate on your apology, which just evolves into pointing fingers at the other party again. This samsaric crap isn't going to fly in the Serious Business, no matter who is doing it.

The point is, the only race is the human race. The term race is most often used for species. Ethnicity is used for nationality and stuff like that. Orientation for sexual preference. This is common knowledge. When you say "homosexual race," it's kind of like saying gays are Zoras and you and the other straight people are Gorons. REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU MEANT, that is the first notion people get from someone who belongs to a belief system that considers that group of people as defined in that context by their desire for sodomy, which is considered a sin in that belief system.

When people hear you respond, they will often hear it from your context, and that particular usage was an unfortunate choice. However, it's understandable and any one of us could have made it. No worries.

Please stop expanding your posts so you can find ways to find the audacity of his statements unbearable. I'm sure most people on this website could have made his mistake. It's NOT that unusual to find that offensive, and you should probably take the time to think before you use those particular terms.