Why are Atheists so set on Proving Christianity Wrong?

There's no problem with the existence Christianity and religion in general, but it should be a completely separate entity from science and government. And the Bible shouldn't be taken 100% seriously. The problem arises from the false belief that biblical stories actually happened, when in actuality they're just supposed to deliver a moral. Religion for some people is just something to attach themselves to or give them structure in life. I am not religious, but realize this all the same. I also realize that, yes, some Christians are ignorant, but so are some atheists, and some Hindus, and some Buddhists, and on and on.

Originally Posted by The Metal

The Bible is not the only authority in Christianity, I'll agree. However, most of the teachings of Christianity are from the Bible. There may be other doctrines, but the chances are they wont be as influential as the Bible. And the Bible, has some very strange and at times repugnant teachings. Therein lies the problem.

Something you may want to look at.

That video only illustrates my point further. People don't follow the Bible without any regard as to what some of the Bible's teachings and commandments demand. The video's first point, that the Bible commands the death penalty for working on the Sabbath, is a completely redundant one. The Church, not the Bible, is what dictates the beliefs and doctrines of Christians. By regulating which parts of the Bible are to be followed and which parts are not to be followed, they maintain control over those who follow the Bible's teachings. Therefore it is the Church, not just the Bible, that needs to be taken into consideration.

This thoughtless Bible bashing is going to get you nowehere, and is going to lose you friends. I am agnostic myself, but to see a senseless disregard for people's beliefs is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Duo

That video only illustrates my point further. People don't follow the Bible without any regard as to what some of the Bible's teachings and commandments demand. The video's first point, that the Bible commands the death penalty for working on the Sabbath, is a completely redundant one. The Church, not the Bible, is what dictates the beliefs and doctrines of Christians. By regulating which parts of the Bible are to be followed and which parts are not to be followed, they maintain control over those who follow the Bible's teachings. Therefore it is the Church, not just the Bible, that needs to be taken into consideration.

This thoughtless Bible bashing is going to get you nowehere, and is going to lose you friends. I am agnostic myself, but to see a senseless disregard for people's beliefs is disgusting.

Your beliefs. Every Christian seems to have a different idea of what being a Christian is. Every Muslim seems to have a different idea of what being a Muslim is. Same goes for every religion. Some Christians think it's all to do with the Bible (Protestants to name a specific group), and that the Church has no involvement at all. Catholics think it's all about the Church and the Pope because they're going off things the Bible says.

You realise that placing all the trust in the Church to dictate which parts of the Bible are to be followed and which are not, and stick their own bits in where necessary, gives them full authority over the religion in question, but they still have to do it by the book (so to speak). And so they couldn't just say "throw out yer Bibles, we're the word of God, and we say kill anyone who ever speaks out against us". The fact that they're the ones who pick and choose which parts to put into the Bible and which parts should be canon may be questionable, but they claim that they're acting according to the word of God... as laid out in the Bible. Which they put together. Therefore, one way or another, disregarding it might as well be disregarding the Church, and by proxy, Jesus and God. Whether the Church follows the Bible, or the Bible follows the Church, they might as well be the same bloody thing.

However, if you were to disregard the book in favour of the Church's authority, it means you don't really care what you're being told to believe, as long as the Church is the one telling you to believe it. And why do you care about people bashing the Bible if you don't think it matters when it comes to the religion either way?

Put some thought into your own words before warning someone else about being thoughtless. And warning someone that they will lose friends isn't going to help you win an argument, since ninety percent of the time all of that person's friends agree with him, or don't care about what he thinks. If your religion wants you to choose it over your friends, you need a new religion.

Originally Posted by Duo

That video only illustrates my point further. People don't follow the Bible without any regard as to what some of the Bible's teachings and commandments demand. The video's first point, that the Bible commands the death penalty for working on the Sabbath, is a completely redundant one. The Church, not the Bible, is what dictates the beliefs and doctrines of Christians. By regulating which parts of the Bible are to be followed and which parts are not to be followed, they maintain control over those who follow the Bible's teachings. Therefore it is the Church, not just the Bible, that needs to be taken into consideration.

This thoughtless Bible bashing is going to get you nowehere, and is going to lose you friends. I am agnostic myself, but to see a senseless disregard for people's beliefs is disgusting.

Yes but you do realize that that is one of the Ten Commandments right? They're the basic guidelines for the entire Christian faith. If you don't follow it, then according to the teachings of the Church, it is impossible to go to heaven.

And about this whole "You'll lose your friends ZOMG!" thing. I agree with Sage of Earth. It's a pretty moronic thing to say.

Originally Posted by The Metal

Yes but you do realize that that is one of the Ten Commandments right? They're the basic guidelines for the entire Christian faith. If you don't follow it, then according to the teachings of the Church, it is impossible to go to heaven.

And about this whole "You'll lose your friends ZOMG!" thing. I agree with Sage of Earth. It's a pretty moronic thing to say.

Speaking of Moronic...what you just said sure fits that category.

According to the teachings of the church as Dictated by the bible it is by Grace alone people get into Heaven, therin ls the fact that even if you disobey the ten commandments you will still go to Heaven. Think before you speak of what you do not know.

That is all, Good Day to you.

Originally Posted by Puck

Speaking of Moronic...what you just said sure fits that category.

According to the teachings of the church as Dictated by the bible it is by Grace alone people get into Heaven, therin ls the fact that even if you disobey the ten commandments you will still go to Heaven. Think before you speak of what you do not know.

That is all, Good Day to you.

Obviously the church made this up so that they wouldn't have to meet the impossible and unreasonable requirements to go to heaven.

Yet a THIRD video. I promise it'll be that last one.

Originally Posted by Puck

Speaking of Moronic...what you just said sure fits that category.

According to the teachings of the church as Dictated by the bible it is by Grace alone people get into Heaven, therin ls the fact that even if you disobey the ten commandments you will still go to Heaven. Think before you speak of what you do not know.

That is all, Good Day to you.

Er, that depends entirely on who you ask.

To some, it's being a good person, to others (such as Dante) you have to be a good person, live a good life, and believe in Christ. To yet others you just have to believe in Christ, to others you just have to live a good life, etc.


Pretty much any criteria has been officially stated as the sole measuring stick for getting into heaven by some church founder/leader or other.

Originally Posted by The Metal

Something you may want to look at.

Originally Posted by The Metal

Yet a THIRD video. I promise it'll be that last one.

Are you serious? I don't want to troll, but I felt like I had to comment on how ridiculous it is that you're citing these videos as support.

P.s. I love how he uses the phrase, "normal, intelligent person."

Originally Posted by Kouten

Are you serious? I don't want to troll, but I felt like I had to comment on how ridiculous it is that you're citing these videos as support.

P.s. I love how he uses the phrase, "normal, intelligent person."

Belief without proof isn't to be considered intelligent in and of itself. It may, however, be normal, depending on who defines normal.

I've not bothered with the sources, however, since they probably say the same thing I've heard a million times over.

to others (such as Dante) you have to be a good person, live a good life, and believe in Christ.

This is misleading. To Dante, you must believe in Christ, but you may have lead a life of sin until its last moments, when even a single tear of remorse gets you into Purgatory.

And everybody who gets to Purgatory gets, after some time, into Paradise.

Ah, my mistake.


Still, I stand by my statement that the criteria to get into heaven vary drastically from person to person.

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

Belief without proof isn't to be considered intelligent in and of itself.

And I've got to ask: What's your belief, and what's your proof behind it?

Originally Posted by Duo

And I've got to ask: What's your belief, and what's your proof behind it?

I believe in a concept, and the only proof you need for a concept is the ability to conceive of it, and act on it. I believe in justice, and that I should enforce that idea simply because I like that idea. I don't believe in a "thing" as such, if you're talking about a higher power or a religion. As far as I know the entire universe, including you, is a figment of my imagination, but since I can interact with it, I'll treat it like it's real unless there's sufficient proof to dispel the proof I see before me of a computer screen, and words on said screen.

What, expecting me to say "I believe that there is absolutely definitely not a God because I've not seen evidence of one"? Believe it or not, not everyone thinks in terms of "Do I believe in God or don't I believe in God", since as far as I'm concerned the Christian God is just one of many different deities that I don't believe in. My life doesn't revolve around atheism and the defiance of belief, because if it did, atheism might as well be a religion as well, rather than the state of not being religious. I simply believe that, since there's insufficient evidence of a greater power, and the only evidence there is is unreliable and biased, no one has yet proven beyond reasonable doubt that such a greater power exists, and so as far as I'm concerned, they're not guilty of existence. Innocent until proven guilty, false until proven true, non-existent until proven existent.

Originally Posted by Kouten

Are you serious? I don't want to troll, but I felt like I had to comment on how ridiculous it is that you're citing these videos as support.

P.s. I love how he uses the phrase, "normal, intelligent person."

I was never using them as support, I was just sharing them.

Anyhoo, like I said I will no longer be putting any videos in this thread.

And on the whole thing about the requirements to go to heaven. I have to say, it's ridiculous. At the time of Christ and the writing of the Bible, the Ten Commandments were basically the laws of Christianity, but as time went by the Church realized that it couldn't use them like that anymore. So what did they do? They made up new rules and requirements so that they could disobey the old rules and still believe that they'd go to heaven. It's pretty much apparent that the church can make up any new rule to their religion just to make it easier on them. It reminds me of when I was a kid and still believed that there were monsters under my bed. I believed that if I was out of bed after 10:30 they would come to kill me unless I counted to ten three times quickly. Religion does this as well, but on a larger and more complicated level.

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