What drugs have you tried before?

Originally Posted by Puck

The reason things like Tobbaco, and Alchohol are still legal is for two reasons I beleive, firstly; Making them illegal would be detremental to the econemy, which is something that cannot be afforded to do, secondly; People would do them anyway, they tried to make Drinking illegal way back when, and many gangs and orginized crime Syndicates where started because of it.

That's My oppinion anyway.

I completely agree with that.

However, why not make cannabis legal? The Government would have control over it, they would be able to tax it, they'd waste less time trying to enforce against it, and less people would be sent to prison. It works in Holland.

I can't help feel we're spiralling rapidly off-topic here...Maybe I should stop my pro-drug rants before a Mod gets unhappy

Originally Posted by FluidConcept

I completely agree with that.

However, why not make cannabis legal? The Government would have control over it, they would be able to tax it, they'd waste less time trying to enforce against it, and less people would be sent to prison. It works in Holland.

I can't help feel we're spiralling rapidly off-topic here...Maybe I should stop my pro-drug rants before a Mod gets unhappy

Someone agrees with Puck?*Happy Puck dance*

I don't know why they don't legalize it, perhapes they are afraid that if they legalize that it will escalate until we are like amsterdam or something? I am not sure why people want it to be legalized, cause then they'd have to pay more xD

Originally Posted by Puck

I don't know why they don't legalize it, perhapes they are afraid that if they legalize that it will escalate until we are like amsterdam or something?

Likely because of all the misinformation there is about cannabis proliferated through the media and throughout our nation's history. Also, because of cultural perceptions and because it would definitely be more profitable than the tobacco and alcohol industries, thus lessening their importance economically. Big Tobacco definitely doesn't want that.

I am not sure why people want it to be legalized, cause then they'd have to pay more xD

You might have to pay more, but at least you wouldn't go to jail and you'd be supporting the economy and taxes.

Originally Posted by Puck

Someone agrees with Puck?*Happy Puck dance*

I don't know why they don't legalize it, perhapes they are afraid that if they legalize that it will escalate until we are like amsterdam or something? I am not sure why people want it to be legalized, cause then they'd have to pay more xD

Glad to have made you happy
What's wrong with Amsterdam? I've always been told it's awesome, cannabis bars you can just go and chill in and buy spliffs
I guess there is the whole prostitution thing...but that's a completely unrelated subject for another day.
I'm not sure if you would have to pay more for cannabis, as it wouldn't have to be smuggled in, and the Government could regulate the price to keep it steady. Plus, if they made it more expensive people would probably just stick to buying smuggled cannabis like they do now.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

Big Tobacco definitely doesn't want that.

Big Tobacco doesn't run the Government though.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

You might have to pay more, but at least you wouldn't go to jail and you'd be supporting the economy and taxes.

Seconded.

p.s. Sorry for basically repeating what you said before my last post Ogmios, didn't notice your post.

p.p.s. seriously thinking we should make a new thread for this

Isn't it funny to sit and think what it would be like walking into a smoke shop and ordering a pack of J's or a bag?

Customer: "I'll take an eighth ounce of the Tullman's Wacky Tabackey please"
Clerk: "But we've got buy one get one on the packs of the Petey's Purple Haze."
Customer: "no, thanks. I'll stick with my brand."
Clerk:"That'll be 42 dollars sir."


LOL!

Originally Posted by FluidConcept

Big Tobacco doesn't run the Government though.

Do you know who lobbyists are and what they do?

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

Do you know who lobbyists are and what they do?

seriously! lol...
watch "Thank You For Smoking"

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

Do you know who lobbyists are and what they do?

I must admit that I'm not hugely knowledgeable when it comes to politics. My understanding is that lobbyists are groups of people from organisations that are not part of the Government, who attempt to influence MPs to make certain decisions in their favour. They do not, however, actually have any say in the passing of laws or any Parliamentary decisions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by FluidConcept

I must admit that I'm not hugely knowledgeable when it comes to politics. My understanding is that lobbyists are groups of people from organisations that are not part of the Government, who attempt to influence MPs to make certain decisions in their favour. They do not, however, actually have any say in the passing of laws or any Parliamentary decisions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

They don't have any OFFICIAL say, as in, the government doesn't DIRECTLY gove them a hand in making laws, but through business relationships and a gross overinflated sortof "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" kind of way, they do things for politicians, like give endorsements, and even plain old cash (although it's illegal and politicians have been jailed for it) in return for favorable legislation.

Originally Posted by Margar

They don't have any OFFICIAL say, as in, the government doesn't DIRECTLY gove them a hand in making laws, but through business relationships and a gross overinflated sortof "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine" kind of way, they do things for politicians, like give endorsements, and even plain old cash (although it's illegal and politicians have been jailed for it) in return for favorable legislation.

Yeah I can see your point now. However, it wouldn't stop people who are addicted to smoking being addicted, so tobacco sales wouldn't necessarily change. They might even increase - the majority of people aren't just gonna smoke blunts if cannabis was legal Additionally, more people smoking cannabis could lead to more people smoking tobacco; in my experience, most people who smoke a lot of cannabis also smoke tobacco.

Originally Posted by FluidConcept

Yeah I can see your point now. However, it wouldn't stop people who are addicted to smoking being addicted, so tobacco sales wouldn't necessarily change. They might even increase - the majority of people aren't just gonna smoke blunts if cannabis was legal Additionally, more people smoking cannabis could lead to more people smoking tobacco; in my experience, most people who smoke a lot of cannabis also smoke tobacco.

see, tobacco companies sell a product that KILLS PEOPLE, so as their clientel die, they need to recruit new ones. so if they stopped adverising all together, sales would probably decrease. not by much, because cigarette ads are already rather scarce (in the us at least) but still- out of sight, out of mind.
Also, I don't htink people smoking weed would lead to tobacco smoking. if someone smokes weed before smoking tobacco they'd probably think "cigarettes?!?! what's the point. they don't taste nearly as good as weed, they don't get you high, and they are addictive!"

so yeah why would anyone go from weed to tobacco? i can see the other way around but... yeah.

Originally Posted by Margar

see, tobacco companies sell a product that KILLS PEOPLE, so as their clientel die, they need to recruit new ones. so if they stopped adverising all together, sales would probably decrease. not by much, because cigarette ads are already rather scarce (in the us at least) but still- out of sight, out of mind.
Also, I don't htink people smoking weed would lead to tobacco smoking. if someone smokes weed before smoking tobacco they'd probably think "cigarettes?!?! what's the point. they don't taste nearly as good as weed, they don't get you high, and they are addictive!"

so yeah why would anyone go from weed to tobacco? i can see the other way around but... yeah.

I dunno, just a need to smoke when there's no cannabis available. Mind you, if it were legal then it probably would be available I do know people who have gone from cannabis to tobacco though.
Advertising tobacco products is actually illegal over here, and any cigarette box has to have massive writing saying things like 'Smoking causes a long and painful death' and 'Smoking makes you impotent'.
Doesn't seem to put anyone off though...

****, Caffiene is a DRUG? I BETTER STOP DRINKIN CAPPUCHINOS(sp?) EVERYDAY!

But yeah, nope, I never had. Probably the only thing I had that people consider a "drug" is Coffee or Cappuchino... (Which contains MORE caffiene than Coffee....so I've heard...)

And maybe second hand smoking from my parents back when they actually smoked...


-Link

Originally Posted by Link

****, Caffiene is a DRUG? I BETTER STOP DRINKIN CAPPUCHINOS(sp?) EVERYDAY!

But yeah, nope, I never had. Probably the only thing I had that people consider a "drug" is Coffee or Cappuchino... (Which contains MORE caffiene than Coffee....so I've heard...)
-Link

coffee has caffeine in it, which is an addictive drug. and cappuccino doesn't necessarily have more caffeine in it, it juts depends on how they make it or how you make your coffee. but cappuccino is made with espresso (very highly concentrated coffee) and milk, and a shot of espreso has the caffeine of a cup of coffee i think, so really, a cappucinno and a coffee or a shot of espresso probably have similar caffein contents. although I could be wrong

also- just a fun fact-
a regular 6 ounce cup of coffee (but seriously, WHO only drinks 6 ounces?!?) has about 100mg of caffeine, whereas a cup of tea has about 60mg.
also- smokers can tolerate more caffeine in their system- it's something that the nicotine does to make the effects of coffee less severe, which is why many people who amoke also drink lots of coffee, and also plays a part in why coffee and cigarettes go together so nicely (to a smoker).

Coffe ^^but now im never gonna have it -_- i didnt know it was drug and umm i only have it coz it smells well nice^^heh