Abstinence or Safe Sex?

Originally Posted by The LS

I feel abstinence is the best for me, considering my own beliefs. Now, on a practical side, abstinence is the way to go for preventing unwanted pregnancies and STDs. It really is the only true 'safe sex'(excepting solo sex ^_^). Condoms and crap does make it unlikely that anything will happen, but do you really want to take a chance for a few moments of pleasure?

I also believe sex is not a need. You CAN'T survive without oxygen, you CAN survive without sex.

It's a need. It is totally ingrained into our genes. It maintains chemical balances, ect.

I agree sex is important when done in moderation, but I am not going to die from not getting done by my GF. I consider something a need if a human depends on it to survive.(as an individual...)

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Well 15 is WAY young to be having sex.

i don't know.
around here, sexual intercourse is legal from the age of 15, I wasn't interested in sex a that age, but as long as they are educated enough to know how things work, protect themselves and feel ready, I have no problem with fifteen-year-olds being sexually active.

Originally Posted by The LS

I also believe sex is not a need. You CAN'T survive without oxygen, you CAN survive without sex.

our species however, can NOT survive without us having sex, it is a need, you just have to look at the bigger picture.

But repeating what I said, as an individual I can survive without it. And I did not say to stay off of it forever either. I do think its important, but its not so important as to possibly sacrifice your health, and possibly a baby. (another topic...)

Originally Posted by The LS

I agree sex is important when done in moderation, but I am not going to die from not getting done by my GF. I consider something a need if a human depends on it to survive.(as an individual...)

and how much is to do it in moderation?
who draws those lines?

Yourself and your partner. But it can be obvious too. There is such a thing as sexual addiction in my mind, I don't feel sex has to be on your mind 24/7. At that point its not healthy, constantly thinking about the next 'fix'. Balance in all things.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

i don't know.
around here, sexual intercourse is legal from the age of 15, I wasn't interested in sex a that age, but as long as they are educated enough to know how things work, protect themselves and feel ready, I have no problem with fifteen-year-olds being sexually active.

Problem is, a lot of people that age aren't educated or responsible enough to protect themselves.

our species however, can NOT survive without us having sex, it is a need, you just have to look at the bigger picture.

How do you know this? I know a lot of people who live their whole life without having sex, and they do just fine.

The drive to have sex is not needed to survive, the need to reproduce in order to populate and for the sake of having children is something else.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Problem is, a lot of people that age aren't educated or responsible enough to protect themselves.



How do you know this? I know a lot of people who live their whole life without having sex, and they do just fine.

The drive to have sex is not needed to survive, the need to reproduce in order to populate and for the sake of having children is something else.

It needs to be asked: Do those people masturbate?


And if not..

Just how miserable are said people?

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

It needs to be asked: Do those people masturbate?

I've heard a lot about this. People who would rather masterbate than 'sin against God." And in my opinion, I would rather you chose the lesser of 2 evils.

I'm not sure if I have a real opinion on that though. Out of the people I know, no, they do not masturbate.

And if not..

Just how miserable are said people?

They are not miserable, not as in the wanted and lust for sex and not being satisfied, but they are sad they don't have the experience of love in general. Like I said, not everything revolves around sex.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Out of the people I know, no, they do not masturbate.

how on earth would you know that?

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

I've heard a lot about this. People who would rather masterbate than 'sin against God." And in my opinion, I would rather you chose the lesser of 2 evils.

I'm not sure if I have a real opinion on that though. Out of the people I know, no, they do not masturbate.



They are not miserable, not as in the wanted and lust for sex and not being satisfied, but they are sad they don't have the experience of love in general. Like I said, not everything revolves around sex.

No, it does. All human actions revolve around sex & procreation. Why? Because it is our purpose in life as far as nature is concerned. To propagate our species and more importantly our genes(as in, your personal genes).

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

how on earth would you know that?

Like I said, everyone of the same faith as me are all on the same page. We know that that is not allowed.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

No, it does. All human actions revolve around sex & procreation. Why? Because it is our purpose in life as far as nature is concerned. To propagate our species and more importantly our genes(as in, your personal genes).

Yes, if you are going to get all biological and scientific yes. But if you add religion into the equation, the only real purpose of sex is for procreation and creation of families. Course, you can have fun too.

I don't want to get into religion in this thread.... so lets stop that little part of this discussion. If it needs be, I'll drop out.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Like I said, everyone of the same faith as me are all on the same page. We know that that is not allowed.

masturbation is not allowed?

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Like I said, everyone of the same faith as me are all on the same page. We know that that is not allowed.



Yes, if you are going to get all biological and scientific yes. But if you add religion into the equation, the only real purpose of sex is for procreation and creation of families. Course, you can have fun too.

I don't want to get into religion in this thread.... so lets stop that little part of this discussion. If it needs be, I'll drop out.

I have to get biological, scientific, and psychological. Why? Because they are the governing rules of our existence. God cannot be proven, and is thus a null-factor in a discussion such as this. Bring facts to the table.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

masturbation is not allowed?

No.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

I have to get biological, scientific, and psychological. Why? Because they are the governing rules of our existence. God cannot be proven, and is thus a null-factor in a discussion such as this. Bring facts to the table.

Well, other than my own faith, which is something I can't force apon you, I have nothing to say.

Biological, scientific, and psychologically: Is the unborn alive? Yes. You know why? Well, ask yourself this... Does the unborn grow? Does the unborn react to stimuli? Does the unborn adapt to its environment (in this case, the womb)?

If the fetus was not alive, it simply would not grow, would not react to stimuli, would not adapt to any environment, would not move or make fists, it would not smile in the womb, it would not have hiccups, would not have any developing and working organs, would not have a heartbeat, etc.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

No.



Well, other than my own faith, which is something I can't force apon you, I have nothing to say.

Biological, scientific, and psychologically: Is the unborn alive? Yes. You know why? Well, ask yourself this... Does the unborn grow? Does the unborn react to stimuli? Does the unborn adapt to its environment (in this case, the womb)?

If the fetus was not alive, it simply would not grow, would not react to stimuli, would not adapt to any environment, would not move or make fists, it would not smile in the womb, it would not have hiccups, would not have any developing and working organs, would not have a heartbeat, etc.

Are you a vegan? If not, then you're being quite hypocritical. A cow is a living, breathing creature, that grows. Think of that the next time you bite into a cheeseburger.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

Are you a vegan? If not, then you're being quite hypocritical. A cow is a living, breathing creature, that grows. Think of that the next time you bite into a cheeseburger.

That was meat that was provided on this planet for us to eat. You are just running out of good logic.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

That was meat that was provided on this planet for us to eat. You are just running out of good logic.

No I'm not. I'm quite open to cannibalism. But I don't practice it for practical reasons. However, the problem is, you can't refute it. A fetus has no higher-thought. It has no emotion. It has no -brain- until the second trimester.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

No I'm not. I'm quite open to cannibalism. But I don't practice it for practical reasons. However, the problem is, you can't refute it. A fetus has no higher-thought. It has no emotion. It has no -brain- until the second trimester.

It has emotion. Babies have cried in the womb. They react to music, they hear their mothers voice in the womb, they have stimuli. I think you need to take a pregnancy class. You are missing out on a lot of simple facts.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

It has emotion. Babies have cried in the womb. They react to music, they hear their mothers voice in the womb, they have stimuli. I think you need to take a pregnancy class. You are missing out on a lot of simple facts.

It cannot have emotion prior to the second trimester because emotion develops in the brain. No brain, or any semblance of, prior to the second trimester.