The Kennedy conspiracy.

There is no conspieracy. Period, and here is why.

YouTube - Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Zapruder Film (Wide)

Well first here is the Zapruter fillm, it's best film witnessing the assassination.
Now the first shot hits when they are behind the sign and when he is revealed we can see Kenndy with his hand and arms up in front of his neck, he has been shot with the "Magic bullet"

Nothing magic about it. It struck in his upper back just south of his neck, and went through into the Governer who is sitting farer in the car than Kenndy was. The bullet then proceeds to go into the governer throiugh his lower back and into his wrist. Nothing wrong with that humans aren't bulletproof.

Then we see Kennedy's head being partially destroyed on the right side. Now you can see how his head is blown to the left there is no back and to the left he falls back limp because he is pretty dead. It is easily possible to have ones head pushed in that manner if you are struck on the top right of the back of your head.

Now, we also have many problems with LHO, how did he get the shots of that quick? How did he even hit Kennedy? Why?

Well, first, it's easy how he got the shots off I have seen old guys do it, nothing that an ex-army guy can't.

Now how could he hit Kennedy? Well here is how.
YouTube - Oswald assassinated JFK, Part 1 6.5 Carcano, Oswald rifle
Here is someone firing the rifle with ease.

Now, LHO was a great shot, he was a marksman in the military, perfectly capable of succeeding in the assassination. Afterwards he was arrested and in the Dallas police headquaters he was killed by Jack Ruby.

We just barely got a conspiracy thread up. Not sure if we need another one. But, worth a try.

It was sad to see that video.

Yes there was most likely no conspiracy behind this. I've done research on both sides before and some of it is rather interesting. For one thing that gun he was using was pretty bad, even though you posted a video of the rifle similar to the one he used(did they even show that guy hitting anything), doesn't mean it was an easy task.
The bullet is odd in the way it appears, it is almost perfect, that is one reasons why it was called the magic bullet, as it had no ridges on it. Stories also claim JFKs brain is missing which would hold valuable clues as to the trajectory of the shot.

Once again, I don't really believe this stuff, but it makes for an interesting read.

If you want, the theories are here The Body

Its really annoying when people take some of the worsts tragedies and tries to make into one big conspiracy and go all out to prove it. Then they believe it so much that they will become one of them 9/11 conspriacy freaks shouting they want the truth. Well what if what they have been told is the truth...

Conspiracys are only cool in fiction. In real life its just scary as hell. Well what the people claim the conspiracy is about and why it happened.

I think there was a conspiracy. It has been said by many who knew him in the military that Oswald was actually a very poor shot indeed. And kennedy's head goes back and to the left straight away, which is inconsistent with being shot from behind. Many people reported hearing shots and seeing shooters on the grassy knoll, and the magic bullet thing is simply absurd.

Originally Posted by Guy Westcott

I think there was a conspiracy. It has been said by many who knew him in the military that Oswald was actually a very poor shot indeed. And kennedy's head goes back and to the left straight away, which is inconsistent with being shot from behind. Many people reported hearing shots and seeing shooters on the grassy knoll, and the magic bullet thing is simply absurd.

Not if the bullet hits the top right of the back of his head. which would push his head left and back simotaniously which with the combination of his body going limp would result in what you see, no?

But is there any evidence or do we go by what people say?

Not in 5.6 seconds, and not with the amount of wounds inflicted. As for the seven wounds, I'm talking about seven wounds that were made neither from the first missed shot that hit Tague or the third, final shot that blew the back of his head off. Seven wounds, two people, one bullet.

It has been shown time and time again that it was possible. If you are talking about entrance and exit wounds I assume you are toherwise there arent that many.

There is,

Kennedy

Head - In and out
Back - In and Out

GVNR.

Back - In and out
Wrist - in

I think thats right otherwise what are they?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Not if the bullet hits the top right of the back of his head. which would push his head left and back simotaniously which with the combination of his body going limp would result in what you see, no?

Yes, you're right: no. A bullet to the top right back of his head would push his head down, left and forwards, not back, but the afterwards it would fall back. In the Zapruder film we see clearly that it goes back immediately at the moment of impact, which is inconsistent with a bullet from behind, and anyway, I may be wrong on this bit, but I thought the TSBD was back and to the left of Kennedy, not to the right?

It has been shown time and time again that it was possible.

When?

If you are talking about entrance and exit wounds I assume you are toherwise there arent that many.

No, I'm talking about bullets miraculously changing direction 6 or 7 times. But I guess that links to entrance and exit wounds yes.



I simply do not believe that that can really happen. What an amazing coincidence that the only time in recorded history that it has happened is in one of the most controversial situations of the age, with so many different groups with a motive for killing JFK, and yet it is all done by one man who had next to no skill with a sniper rifle, and is later arrested by (what was it now?) i believe 30 police cars, because he didnt pay 75 cents for a movie theater ticket.

Originally Posted by Guy Westcott

Yes, you're right: no. A bullet to the top right back of his head would push his head down, left and forwards, not back, but the afterwards it would fall back. In the Zapruder film we see clearly that it goes back immediately at the moment of impact, which is inconsistent with a bullet from behind, and anyway, I may be wrong on this bit, but I thought the TSBD was back and to the left of Kennedy, not to the right?

No, you'd expect it to go back. An exit wound from a bullet would push the head back far more than the entry wound would push it forward.

No, I'm talking about bullets miraculously changing direction 6 or 7 times. But I guess that links to entrance and exit wounds yes.

You do know that bullets ricochet extensively when they hit people, don't you? They bounce off of all the bones we've got.

I simply do not believe that that can really happen.

Argument from incredulity, a fallacy.

What an amazing coincidence that the only time in recorded history that it has happened is in one of the most controversial situations of the age, with so many different groups with a motive for killing JFK, and yet it is all done by one man who had next to no skill with a sniper rifle, and is later arrested by (what was it now?) i believe 30 police cars, because he didnt pay 75 cents for a movie theater ticket.

Oh boy.

The majority of times a gun has been fired the path of the bullet hasn't been traced. So it's not surprising that that exact same path has not been observed before.

However, bullets do kill people after ricocheting and multiple people have been killed with a single shot. So this is hardly a unique event.

Where do you get that he had "next to no skill"? He was professionally trained as a marksman.

He wasn't arrested for not paying for a movie ticket, he was arrested because the police thought that he killed JFK.

I mean, seriously now, if there was a conspiracy do you think they'd mess up so badly that they'd send 60 officers to arrest one guy for not paying for a ticket?

Originally Posted by GDwarf

No, you'd expect it to go back. An exit wound from a bullet would push the head back far more than the entry wound would push it forward.

Yes, but it would go forwards before going back. As I said, it goes back straight away, which implies being shot from the front.

You do know that bullets ricochet extensively when they hit people, don't you? They bounce off of all the bones we've got.

Not in the way the magic bullet did, and when they do they get markings on the side, which is strange because the magic bullet came out completely unmarked.

Where do you get that he had "next to no skill"? He was professionally trained as a marksman.

yeah, but people who worked with him when he was trained have since said that he was no good. I could be professionally trained as a singer, but it would make no difference - if I sang, glasses, mirrors, front teeth and probably hearts would all still break, to the sound of a bag of cats being slammed repeatedly against a wall.

He wasn't arrested for not paying for a movie ticket, he was arrested because the police thought that he killed JFK.

They didn't know that yet, allegedly. He was actually arrested, and you can check this, because he didn't pay for a ticket, and the theater's ticket clerk called the police for that reason, and they all swarmed in.

Originally Posted by Guy Westcott

Yes, but it would go forwards before going back. As I said, it goes back straight away, which implies being shot from the front.

It would go forward until the bullet left the head. So, you'd get, at most, a fraction of a second of forwards movement.

Not in the way the magic bullet did, and when they do they get markings on the side, which is strange because the magic bullet came out completely unmarked.

As for the first: How do you know?

For the second: I doubt that, source?

yeah, but people who worked with him when he was trained have since said that he was no good. I could be professionally trained as a singer, but it would make no difference - if I sang, glasses, mirrors, front teeth and probably hearts would all still break, to the sound of a bag of cats being slammed repeatedly against a wall.

Source for those claims, though?

Besides, he passed his training, which means he was good enough.

They didn't know that yet, allegedly. He was actually arrested, and you can check this, because he didn't pay for a ticket, and the theater's ticket clerk called the police for that reason, and they all swarmed in.

Source on that? And again, if this was a conspiracy do you honestly suppose they'd be that inept?

The picture in the link in my first post shows what the bullet looks like. It is entirely possible that it wouldn't have been damaged much, but this thing looks perfect. If it came into contact with him, it should be a little damaged. I still want to know where his brain went, unless that's completley fabricated. I have seen this shot done before on television. They used models similar to the build of a human. The shot is possible, but that bullet should be badly damaged.

Originally Posted by GDwarf

It would go forward until the bullet left the head. So, you'd get, at most, a fraction of a second of forwards movement.

There should be at least one frame on the Zapruder film that shows this then - which there isn't.

For the second: I doubt that, source?

It was the second shot, however, which formed the basis of the "single bullet" or "magic bullet" theory. When Governor Connally was wheeled into emergency surgery, an orderly discovered a bullet on the gurney. It was widely assumed that this bullet had fallen out of Connally's thigh when he was transferred to the surgical table. This fully jacketed rifle bullet, in relatively pristine condition, was believed to the second shot fired at the president's vehicle. If Oswald had acted alone and there were only three shots fired from a single rifle, then this single bullet was responsible for a large number of injuries to both Kennedy and Connally.

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Source for those claims, though?

Besides, he passed his training, which means he was good enough.

Only just...

Even after weeks of practice and intensive training, Oswald barely managed to qualify at the level of "Sharpshooter," the middle of three rifle qualification levels in the Marines. He obtained a score of 212, two points above the minimum for the "Sharpshooter" level. In other words, even after extensive training and practice, and even though he was firing at stationary targets with a semi-automatic rifle and had plenty of time to shoot (even during the so-called "rapid-fire" phase), Oswald narrowly missed scoring at the lowest possible qualification level.

Originally Posted by Nelson Delgado, who served with Oswald in the marines

Right; I was in the same line. By that I mean we were on line together, the same time, but not firing at the same position, but at the same time, and I remember seeing his [shooting]. It was a pretty big joke, because he got a lot of "Maggie's drawers," you know, a lot of misses, but he didn't give a darn.

And I'm assuming you don't need a source for my claim to be a poor singer =]

Source on that? And again, if this was a conspiracy do you honestly suppose they'd be that inept?

This one not too reliable, but all i could find.

And in answer to your question, yes I do suppose they'd be that inept.

This image doesn't take into account that Gvnr. was sitting farther in the car than Kennedy.

There were three different shots that occurred in three different directions. The presence of suspicious activity cannot be debated.

I would encourage you to check out the following video:

JFK II

It addresses how Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT responsible for the death of JFK.

What was? Well, I don't think it's a coincidence that he was the only non-protestant president. Given the evidence that this was clearly a well thought-out plan, I think some occult organization was at work here. Our very own government perhaps? I'll let you decide.