9/11

Many people should recognize the title's meaning, and if any poster is unfamiliar with it, well it is the date when a horrific incident happened at the World Trade Center, causing the destruction of the twin towers, and many, many lives.

Pretty much everyone can agree that this incident was no accident. However, who's intention caused the incident, that is was this thread is about.

First of all, please don't compare this with the Holocaust, because I am by no means stating that it is possible that "9/11" never took place.

Personally, I have an undecided opinion. One side of me tells me that there is no way that if 9/11 was an inside job, that whoever was behind it would get away, never mind that the truth behind it would certainly leak.

However, the other side me has been absorbing many little conspiracy details. For example: apparently the World Trade enter was triple insured just before the incident; apparently employees were told not to go to work that day (by whom I don't know); apparently another structure got destroyed near the towers with no explanation; apparently only government structures (which will all apparently tripled assured) got damaged; apparently white flashes could be seen along the walls of the towers on videos of the incident, and apparently white flashes are given out when charges explode during demolitions; apparently no bulk of a airplane could be found at another location that an airplane supposedly crashed; etc.

The key word in the above paragraph is "apparently" (I don't even know if the world is round!).

Also, there is apparently motive for this incident to be done as an inside job (regarding oil and etc).

I am sure many of you have heard all these conspiracy details before, so basicaly, all supporters of the conspiracy theory (if there are any) please share your arguments, and all the posters against this theory, please debunk.

(And a prayer for all the victims of this incident.)

For reference, here are 4 threads from the last year on this topic, all in the I:SB.


--> http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...11-theory.html

--> http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...9-11-hoax.html

--> http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...54-9-11-a.html

--> http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...cy-thread.html



Personally, I'm a skeptic of most conspiracy theories.

Lots of people say that the US government did it so they could play the whole "War on Terror" card and go in to the Middle East to gain oil, but I'm yet to see any evidence that they have even benefited from oil taken from the region...

I love conspiracy theories

The one things that tells me it isn't a conspiracy is that people who claim there was an "inside job" are saying such things as "there's no way the fire made the WTC collapse" and that airplanes couldn't cause as much damage. But the people who are saying this are just regular people, getting their facts from wikipedia or something. Should these things be true, we'd see real experts and scientists claiming that it's impossible, both people in the US and outside. There's no way they (CIA or whoever was said to be behind it) could've made such huge mistakes and gotten away with it.

Also, should the conspiracy theories be true, then USA would have to have made a deal with Bin Ladin. Why else would he claim to be behind it?

I don't know, part of me says it was an act of terrorism, not that i'm trying to be Bush, but there IS overwhelming evidence it was planned out extremely well.

I mean triple insurance on the buildings, the gov't must have known something right?

Come on you'd have to be braindead not to get this!!!

You know I was going to write some story where the governmant actualy brought down the towers, but only because some creature or something terrible was there. Sadly the only way to stop this creature is to actualy destroy the tower its in.

But I figured that it might be really offensive. I try and not offend people as best I can(but i do slip up)

As for it being in Inside job... My creative side and more prone to conspiracys says 'Hell yes!' and starts creating reasons why, some of htem more for a story then it actually being possible.

I will not deny the fact that it is a possibility. However I just highly doubt it. I do get kind of amused when I see people so determined it was a inside job. That they want the truth. but what if, that IS the truth? But they are so set against it, that they wont believe it.

Anyways... I leave the possibility open, but I highly doubt it.

Originally Posted by Link_HeroofTime

I don't know, part of me says it was an act of terrorism, not that i'm trying to be Bush, but there IS overwhelming evidence it was planned out extremely well.

The thing is, there isn't.

I mean triple insurance on the buildings, the gov't must have known something right?

It might, but my (very, very quick) search didn't turn up any claims of this actually happening.

Besides, it's not as if coincidences don't happen. In fact, they're far more common than our brains are wired to believe.

I participated in who knows how many of the 9/11 threads Jehanne put up, and am getting rather tired of the sheer idiocy of people thinking it's a conspiracy. I may not actively participate in this one, since I'd only be repeating myself, so read those links if you want our debunkers.

For the record, I think people should be ashamed of themselves for such a huge mistrust in their government.

As much as I love a good conspiracy, I really want to put 9/11 down to a malicious attack by Bin Laden and Al Kieda, thinking that USA did this to itself just makes me feel uneasy. Its not that I don't think the government wouldn't screw over its own people (whatever country) but something like that, its gonna be in history as one of the days that shook the world to the core, I just don't like the idea of it being down to something as stupid as Oil etc.

I suppose with 9/11 you could say 7/7 was a conspiracy too, but they claimed both were their work didn't they (Al Kieda) I don't get why a terrorist group would claim credit for something they'd not done, but I guess the fact Bin Laden hasn't been caught yet kinda feeds the conspiracy abit.

I don't know what to think, I do just wanna believe that 9/11 was because of religious nuts or whatever, not usa doing something that terrible for oil.

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

I suppose with 9/11 you could say 7/7 was a conspiracy too, but they claimed both were their work didn't they (Al Kieda) I don't get why a terrorist group would claim credit for something they'd not done, but I guess the fact Bin Laden hasn't been caught yet kinda feeds the conspiracy abit.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Also, should the conspiracy theories be true, then USA would have to have made a deal with Bin Ladin. Why else would he claim to be behind it?

Are you kidding? They would have every reason in the world to claim credit for it whether they did it or not, like you said Liquid, it was a day that shook the world and spread a message across the globe, that people dare try to remove our freedoms and they have the power to do it. To claim that it was done in the name of any given organization would spread that organization's influence and it would grow. A population of extremists see that this group is fighting for the cause and flock to it.

It's like being in a school playground and a big bully gets knocked over, some other kid claims he did it now he's the new boss. People have even claimed credit for murders they didn't commit because they're empowered by the attention. It's just one of those things that happens among society, on all levels and for one reason, power.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

For the record, I think people should be ashamed of themselves for such a huge mistrust in their government.

I don't see why. Governments make mistakes and do horrific things, and blindly trusting any political power is unwise in my opinion. The sceptism of conspiracy theorists is reasonable, to me.

Still, I doubt that 9/11 was the work of the US government. I find it hard to believe that they would be responsible for crashing planes into one of their biggest cities.

I believe that it was a genuine attack on the US. Of course, I haven't really researched the matter. This is really just what I am inclined to believe.

I have a lot of information on this topic, but sadly can not get into it right now. Let me just say, I'm freaked out, and I don't know much for sure anymore. I also could see the Twin Towers from my house, just so ya know. I live about 15 minutes from NYC, I'm on Long Island. You could see the smoke from my high school bleachers. *sigh*

Originally Posted by T-Nemesis

Are you kidding? They would have every reason in the world to claim credit for it whether they did it or not, like you said Liquid, it was a day that shook the world and spread a message across the globe, that people dare try to remove our freedoms and they have the power to do it. To claim that it was done in the name of any given organization would spread that organization's influence and it would grow. A population of extremists see that this group is fighting for the cause and flock to it.

It's like being in a school playground and a big bully gets knocked over, some other kid claims he did it now he's the new boss. People have even claimed credit for murders they didn't commit because they're empowered by the attention. It's just one of those things that happens among society, on all levels and for one reason, power.

Aye, however being the head of a terroris organisation, attention is oftentimes a bad thing. After the US started hunting him, I can't see him saying
"Yayz, I'm getting attention"

Bin Ladin isn't stupid. Why would he risk the US military to come after him just for the sake of attention? He was pretty known already and sholdn't need the additional attention so much that being hunted was worth it. Had he not done it, I don't think he'd act as fast as he did, saying he did it. I mean, what if another organisation was behind it, which he didn't know about?

Granted, none of us can see the true intentions, but it makes more sense to me staying quiet if they didn't do it.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Aye, however being the head of a terroris organisation, attention is oftentimes a bad thing. After the US started hunting him, I can't see him saying
"Yayz, I'm getting attention"

Bin Ladin isn't stupid. Why would he risk the US military to come after him just for the sake of attention? He was pretty known already and sholdn't need the additional attention so much that being hunted was worth it. Had he not done it, I don't think he'd act as fast as he did, saying he did it. I mean, what if another organisation was behind it, which he didn't know about?

Granted, none of us can see the true intentions, but it makes more sense to me staying quiet if they didn't do it.

Well hes hardly being hunted at the moment, I think America has just given up and if this were a conspiracy no doubt that Bin Laden would have immunity from the US military, would explain why he hasn't beeb apprehended.

Terrorists are all about getting attention. The entire idea is to let people know that you hate them and that you could have any of them killed without warning.