Porn in reality and cartoons: are they equivelent?

You've probably all heard of that guy a few days ago that got a 5 year sentence in prison for having 3 large carts full of child porn in his house. The thing is, it wasn't real. They were comics, and pictures of cartoons.

My question is, do you believe that cartoon child pornography, also known as lolicon, is equal in severity as the real thing? Because several people have been arrested of containing what are essentialy drawings, and nothing else.

I personaly don't. People like odd things: as long as those things don't interfere with everyone else's ability to live on with their lives, it's okay with me.

Cartoons aren't real people....why did he go to jail again? ><

For possesing child pornography in the form of hentai.

I'm asking if people think this is severe a crime as the real thing, because they both have the same sentence, not if cartoons are people.

I don't believe that cartoon child pornography is as equally severe as actual child porngraphy, and I certainly don't think it deserves to be treated as if were exactly the same crime. It's odd and I find it somewhat unpleasant, but to be sent to jail? That's another place gone that should have been reserved for a rapist or murderer.

If fake stuff's gonna score you jail, isn't that just going to encourage the real stuff? It's jail either way, might as well make it worth it.

Hmm I don't think it deserves that long ... but he's gotta be a sick sick person to have child porn toons in his posession real or not.. I mean it could start out as cartoons and get worse... so maybe the law was considering that he could be a "potential" offender (even though I doubt they can put you away for being "potentially" harmful.)

Everyone has a sexual orientation, it can't be helped. I believe that the root of pedophilia is no different than any other (heterosexuality, homosexuality etc.).

If they can, uh..."express" themselves using cartoons instead of supporting the real stuff where kids are actually being hurt, or instead of abusing a kid themselves, I don't see where the problem is.

Either way, I don't see where prison comes in to it, I don't think he technically did anything wrong. If anything the guy should be offered help.

Originally Posted by Master Jaken

You've probably all heard of that guy a few days ago that got a 5 year sentence in prison for having 3 large carts full of child porn in his house. The thing is, it wasn't real. They were comics, and pictures of cartoons.

My question is, do you believe that cartoon child pornography, also known as lolicon, is equal in severity as the real thing? Because several people have been arrested of containing what are essentialy drawings, and nothing else.

I personaly don't. People like odd things: as long as those things don't interfere with everyone else's ability to live on with their lives, it's okay with me.

*is really disturbed*

My (weird) opinion is, if they have their comics and their little comics isn't that better than them preying on actual children?

I don't think they should be jailed, its disturbing but not illegal, same as playing a game that involves killing people that makes you no more a murderer than the next guy.

Man is in jail?

Gimme the article, I wanna sue them.

whether it's cartoon or real-life I find it bad but getting arrested for that?

Originally Posted by T-Nemesis

Everyone has a sexual orientation, it can't be helped. I believe that the root of pedophilia is no different than any other (heterosexuality, homosexuality etc.).

If they can, uh..."express" themselves using cartoons instead of supporting the real stuff where kids are actually being hurt, or instead of abusing a kid themselves, I don't see where the problem is.

Generally, yes, that is true. Unfortunately, people get used to things, setting them as a "normal" in their life. This means, when pedophiles get used to watching that, they don't get joy out of it anymore. They will "move on" and do more unacceptable things until they're at the point of molesting children.

As...odd as it may seem, I'd actually really like to see a study that looks to see if...lolicon viewing causes paedophiles to go out and actually molest children.

I don't know how such a study could actually be done, but that's really what this rests on.

There's nothing to prove that, however. It's alike to saying kids who play Grand Theft Auto will ultimately "move on" to drug-dealing, car-jacking, whore-pimping, and 1st degree murder.

It should be noted here that Japanese lolicon art is an extreme of the moe phenomenon, such that proliferation of hardcore fetishism (rape, tentacles, etc) has not turned the average Japanese into sex-crazed cassanovas (rather, it has spawned the 2D complex where many seem to lack the drive to have contact with the living opposite sex). As far as I can tell, the same has applied to lolicon where those who like the material like only that material and find real little girls - especially non Orientals - "pig disgusting."


This is mostly true of non-Japanese hentai collectors. Japan itself has a real issue of pedophilia, but lolicon art is more a secondary expression rather than a cause. Japan's culture and attitude towards women is the deciding factor in how they view and create their lolicons.

Originally Posted by mikej

Generally, yes, that is true. Unfortunately, people get used to things, setting them as a "normal" in their life. This means, when pedophiles get used to watching that, they don't get joy out of it anymore. They will "move on" and do more unacceptable things until they're at the point of molesting children.

Just like looking at porn will make you rape women.

While it's creepy and I'd rather not be around someone who takes interest in it, it shouldn't be illegal.

Originally Posted by DarKnite92

Just like looking at porn will make you rape women.

Who knows? Maybe beating off to loli in the dank squalor of your mother's basement really doesn't quite compare to actually scoring yourself some sweet, prepubescent poontang.

Having done some rather extensive atrocity tourism on the internet, I have made the observation that those who enjoy lolicon and shotacon have a tendancy to at least consider the thought of having sex with a real child. I'm fully aware that these are personal observations, and not hard, scientific facts. It's a grey area, both in terms of statistics and research. So sue me.

While I won't agree nor disagree with the claim that paedophiles are 'born that way', I will state that exposing an individual to that kind of material can spark an intense interest in it. I'm no neurologist, but chemicals released in the brain during courtship and sexual activity (dopamine, I believe) can be more addictive than cocaine. Libido makes people do crazy things.

As much as I would like to believe that loli and shota provides a victimless outlet for sexual frustration, in some cases I think it's better being safe rather than sorry.

At least, that's my two cents.

Hmm I never thought about this...

Yeah definatly the cartoon stuff is disturbing to me... but Illegal? I mean real child porn you are hurting a child to make it. But cartoon?

I have seen the most gory disgusting, pornograpfic and sickening paintings at an art musium. You can make art of almost any schoking image imaginable. I guess child porn is the last taboo. But I'm not sure about prison sentance... but I really don't know what I think. Who is to say the cartoon kids are not actually cartoon adults that just have childlike features. How do you distinguish this if it is a cartoon?

Originally Posted by alexome12

Man is in jail?

Gimme the article, I wanna sue them.

whether it's cartoon or real-life I find it bad but getting arrested for that?

You can't: this isn't a decision, a law was made about this kind of thing in 2005.

Originally Posted by mikej

Generally, yes, that is true. Unfortunately, people get used to things, setting them as a "normal" in their life. This means, when pedophiles get used to watching that, they don't get joy out of it anymore. They will "move on" and do more unacceptable things until they're at the point of molesting children.

Then, why doesn't the average populous get tired of regular porn and go out and rape real women?