Religous arguments: Life and death.

Often a person believing in God will say:

Only God decides who lives and who dies.

Now this is often said when euthanasia is discussed. And I understand the argument in this case but when someone is in a deep coma and can only live because of machines in a hospital these same people will say that it is not allowed to switch of the machines because of the above argument. However aren't we denying this person to die? Isn't only because of human involvement that this person doesn't die and thus is not switching off the machine not an act against God instead of for God?

So on one side you have a person who is suffering, wants to die but isn't allowed because only God may take lives.

On the other side you have a person who is suffering, will die but isn't allowed because humans are able to keep the person alive and thus God doesn't allow for this person to die.

For me this argument doesn't make sense. At first God only takes live and gives live but at second we refuse someone to die and go to God.
So can anyone explain why the person isn't allowed to die in the second example? (Because of religious reasons, I do not want to discuss the humane aspect at this point. I also do not wish I flame war between atheists and Christians and such, as I just want this single argument to be explained to me.)

Ah. then theres the every thing happens for a reason.
Maybe there is a reason this person is being kept in this coma.
What reason I do not know.

This isn't actually about God, is it?
It's about people who believe in God and their interpretation of his will. Being mortals we can never fully comprehend his will so really this is about why people are for or against euthanasia.

Very well OP (opening poster). God uses different mediums, be it an animal, the elements (as in the use of non breathing nature), supernatural, or a human or humans' inventions (there are many more as well).

If God wished for the person to die, God could cause a sudden life failure, which would override the machine's life preserving capabilities. This may be considered "supernatural".

Or, if God wished for the person to die, God could cause someone in the room to "pull the plug", by altering, or developing the frame of mind which would do this act into the person. This is the use of a Human.

God could also cause the life preserving machine to malfunction (the use of humans' inventions).

God could also cause a heavy storm to happen, causing a power failure (the use of the elements).

God could do this in many ways (using different or the same mediums), or God could have caused the patient to never to have arrived into the hospital alive in time.

In the second case (of the OP), God could still cause the patient's death, and thus God still has control. Does this solve the argument?

I believe that god chooses people to live longer from where they stand on this planet. He might choose someone to survive if they are about to face death, because he KNOWS that this person will do something good for the world in the future.

But for some, it just has to be the end, because they have tied up everything that this world needs, thus repeating the process.

Originally Posted by GarmGarf

In the second case (of the OP), God could still cause the patient's death, and thus God still has control. Does this solve the argument?

So what your saying is that if God decide that (for whatever reasons) a persons time has come he would let something happen that will cause the death of that person no matter what others try? Yes that makes sense. But huge arguments often start over these matters, is it always God who decides in the end what happens with this person? (Life or dead?)

However to take the argument a bit further, and I realise this can cause some argument,

The war in Iraq. Some are for it, some are against it. Is God also on one of these sides, and as such is the devil on the other side making it the old good vs. evil battle? And how does one know which side to choose?

Only God decides who lives and who dies.

Then god has got a thing for terrorists and doesn't support people battling cancer.

Thats all I'm gonna say.

Originally Posted by Nictel

So what your saying is that if God decide that (for whatever reasons) a persons time has come he would let something happen that will cause the death of that person no matter what others try? Yes that makes sense. But huge arguments often start over these matters, is it always God who decides in the end what happens with this person? (Life or dead?)

However to take the argument a bit further, and I realise this can cause some argument,

The war in Iraq. Some are for it, some are against it. Is God also on one of these sides, and as such is the devil on the other side making it the old good vs. evil battle? And how does one know which side to choose?

(Before I continue, I am not debating on my view, as my view is that Yahweh has created an interesting existence. Death and life is more interesting that just life.)

God is not on one of the sides, as people die on both sides, and God has chosen the people to die. If God were on one side, say for the terrorists, than not a single terrorist's blood would be shed, unless God chose for that to happen. So no, God is not on a single side.

Anyone who has played, or knows the basics of "WoW" (World of WarCraft) should understand that there can be two sides, without the necessity of one being "good" and the other "bad". The situation in WoW just happened, and if you ask for my opinion, I say that it is interesting.

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

Then god has got a thing for terrorists and doesn't support people battling cancer.

Thats all I'm gonna say.

I challenge you to decode my signature.

Originally Posted by GarmGarf

I challenge you to decode my signature.

Mix lemon juice in with the pain then use a UV light and you make it as interesting at you like.

Ok, Yahweh (God/Allah/Jehovah/etc) is the painter; the white paint is "ultimate happiness"; and the painting is existence. Now, figure it out.

Originally Posted by GarmGarf

Ok, Yahweh (God/Allah/Jehovah/etc) is the painter; the white paint is "ultimate happiness"; and the painting is existence. Now, figure it out.

Considering the state of the world God/Allah/Jehovah/etc haven't bothered to open the paint and start painting, they're just staring at the canvas or have abandoned it completely and discovered Gamecube.

Since this is religious based I'm gonna not get involved already got a bunch of religious debating going on in other threads.

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

Considering the state of the world God/Allah/Jehovah/etc haven't bothered to open the paint and start painting, they're just staring at the canvas or have abandoned it completely and discovered Gamecube.

Since this is religious based I'm gonna not get involved already got a bunch of religious debating going on in other threads.

Do you not understand that a world with cancer and terrorists is more interesting than a world with out cancer and terrorists?

Originally Posted by GarmGarf

Do you not understand that a world with cancer and terrorists is more interesting than a world with out cancer and terrorists?

Hardly, cancer & terrorists make life more painful and fearful than what it'd be like without them.

Pain and fear, when complemented with comfort and security, all in the same world, makes the world more interesting than a world with just comfort and security.

There's much more to it than that. Much, much more. I would care to elaborate on it, but it would take an extensive amount of research that I, currently, do not have the time for.

However, I'll try to break it down into a quick summary. I believe that to be true; that only God decides who lives and dies, but again, I don't really think that's the case. See, here's what I believe: You either die when you're ready for heaven or you've totally given up on God and the whole thing. I'm not saying that God kills you off just becasue you've given up on Him. That's not the case. What I mean is that, you get so deep into the world of sin that you end up dying. It's drew. Take too much drugs? You may OD. You drink too much liquor? You may get a kidney diesease, etc, etc, so on, so fourth. God tries to protect us, and He tries to call us away, but we are blind to Him and his signs, becasue we do not know Him so therefore, we end up dying, becasue we didn't see the warnings and try to change our life around. There's a few holes in it, but I'm currently studying it to see how it goes.

That's the jist of it.

And the whole part with human and thier medical benefits to our health... it was never suppose to be like this in the first place. When God first created the earth, nothing like this was ever created. Is wasn't till Adam and Eve sinned that sickness and death started coming into the world. This wasn't the intentional plan of God. However, that's how it is today.

Ellen G. White, said to be one of the last prophets of God (although I still have my skeptical ideas), said that to heal sickness we are to get fresh air, eat a healthy diet, and have a relationship with our God. I almost laughed when I first read that, but maybe it is true. Maybe by getting all this medicine that is suppose to help us.. it really just takes away from our health? I'm not really big on science, and maybe this has already been scientifcally proven. I'm not sure. I'm just saying what I believe.

This is from my point of things. Not saying everyone esle has to believe it.