Gay Marriage

Originally Posted by GDwarf

FoV, you aren't answering any of our questions or statements, you're simply repeating yourself ad nauseum. This isn't going to make you win the argument.

I have you just make the same point over and over again. Ad Nauseum

And not all of them can. Your point?

That not everyone is equal.

This is the same as claiming that allowing women the vote means that you must allow animals to run for president. It's a non-sequitur and has nothing to do with what anyone is saying.

If the office of president didn't have any requirements then one could. Why not?

Perhaps. I've seen good arguments either way on the bestiality issue.

I am bringing up bestiality because if everyone is equal and deserves equal rights then you should be able to marry animals which is stupid, which is why I oppose gay marriage.

But I ask you for what feels like the 10th time: What argument can you make against bestiality that also applies to gay marriage?

I mentioned it above, to put it simply. If you say that you can marry others of the same sex, why not animals it's fair for people right? Like many of you have said.

Originally Posted by Taakeslottet

Animals are not humans, this is a human issue. Stop pussy-footing around the topic with senseless arguments to thicken the haze of controversy. If you honestly want to debate about the threat of beastiality, than I suggest you create another thread.

Why don't you make a point rather than telling me what to do?

Seriously, please stop, the whole you dug for yourself can't get much deeper, and its about to rain. You speak of tradition, you're 14, you can move on, you have a good 60+ years to find something else to complain about.

I stick by original posts(which proably no one read anyway). So no reason to type them again.

Why don't you stop? You haven't told me why people can't marry animals besides the fact they can't give "consent" which doesn't work because you can't tell me it isn't. If i love an animal to the point where I want to marry it I wouldn't give anything up. Would you?

Do you expect me to give up? No way.

Do I honestly need to restate my point?

Perhaps I will put it in red so you can see it better.

Animals are not humans, this is a human issue.

Originally Posted by Taakeslottet

Do I honestly need to restate my point?

Perhaps I will put it in red so you can see it better.

Animals are not humans, this is a human issue.

Yes it is about humans, humans who want to marry other people of the same sex. When you start letting people do that you can't tell people they can't marry animals. PEOPLE the word PEOPLE is in there it is about PEOPLE both PEOPLE and animals.

Why don't you start responding to a point instead of blindly restating and restating.

Why don't you stop? You haven't told me why people can't marry animals besides the fact they can't give "consent" which doesn't work because you can't tell me it isn't. If i love an animal to the point where I want to marry it I wouldn't give anything up. Would you?

It isnt fair on the animal without informed consent whereas with two people, they know what they are getting into.

You seem desperate to ignore this point or treat it as irrelevant. the problem is, it is a totally relevant point. It's kind of sad, actually.

Why don't you start responding to a point instead of blindly restating and restating.

You are being hypocritical, im sorry, but that is just how i see it.

Yes it is about humans, humans who want to marry other people of the same sex. When you start letting people do that you can't tell people they can't marry animals.

Why lunp them as part of the same issue when they are not? There is that major difference, consent, which you seem so desperate to ignore.

Originally Posted by Lucky Seven

It isnt fair on the animal without informed consent whereas with two people, they know what they are getting into.

You seem desperate to ignore this point or treat it as irrelevant. the problem is, it is a totally relevant point. It's kind of sad, actually.
You are being hypocritical, im sorry, but that is just how i see it.

Just because a horse can't speak english doesn't mean it isn't and you can't tell me it isn't. How do you know it isn't anyway? Is love informed?

I am being asked, and merely responding.

(Might I add your sig is cool, I like looking at it.)

Yes you can, because PEOPLE are PEOPLE and ANIMALS are ANIMALS. What is so hard to understand? Marriage is about the union of two HUMANS, what we are debating is whether or not two HUMANS of the same sex can marry.

Stop throwing animals into the mix.

Do you expect me to give up? No way.

Spoken like a true Dinnie.

Really FoV, I don't think anyone would care overly much if you went ahead and married a horse. Might even make a good article for the world weekly news.
But you wouldn't do that would you?

Because your "point" makes NO sense. People aren't equal to horses. Not everyTHING is equal. You're trying to make that mean that gay rights aren't equal to straight rights, but there is NO connection from one to the other.

mentally handicapped people DONT get married. I know a man with autism, not married. My uncle who had three brain tumors, not married. But I don't think being gay is equal to having a handicap.

Animals can't give consent because they can't think the same way people can. Animals can't write, they can't make scientific advances (well.. maybe if they're lab rats, but we all know that's not what I mean=P).

I don't agree with Gay marriage, but since I'm not gay, I don't think it really is my place to say if gay people should or shouldn't marry. And it's not YOUR place either. They aren't telling you how to live YOUR life....

Marriage is a legal contract by two citizens of a nation to consider themselves a single entity on some taxed based exemptions.

A horse is not a citizen and cannot become a citizen. It cannot provide the tax-based responsibility and ability that another citizen or soon-to-be citizen would.




Consent of the ANIMAL. Consent of the one human in the relationship is merely one-half of the necessary prerequisites for marriage. You can flail your failed argument about a human wanting to marry the horse all you'd like. But you haven't, and never will, provide meaningful rebuttal to the claim that a horse can never, ever fulfill the role required of a spouse in a legal marriage in these United States of America.


/ad nauseum.

Taakeslottet, his comparison to beastiality does have relevance to the argument.

Just because a horse can't speak english doesn't mean it isn't and you can't tell me it isn't. How do you know it isn't anyway? Is love informed?

You would need to demonstrate that a horse could understand the concept of marriage and all of its concequences. Good luck doing that.

And slightly tweaked off topic, a relationship between an animal and a human would be less complex emotionally than a relationship between two people. That is another difference.

Originally Posted by Skootle

Really FoV, I don't think anyone would care overly much if you went ahead and married a horse. Might even make a good article for the world weekly news.
But you wouldn't do that would you?

Because your "point" makes NO sense. People aren't equal to horses. Not everyTHING is equal. You're trying to make that mean that gay rights aren't equal to straight rights, but there is NO connection from one to the other.

mentally handicapped people DONT get married. I know a man with autism, not married. My uncle who had three brain tumors, not married. But I don't think being gay is equal to having a handicap.

Animals can't give consent because they can't think the same way people can. Animals can't write, they can't make scientific advances (well.. maybe if they're lab rats, but we all know that's not what I mean=P).

I don't agree with Gay marriage, but since I'm not gay, I don't think it really is my place to say if gay people should or shouldn't marry. And it's not YOUR place either. They aren't telling you how to live YOUR life....

My point is completely legit you aren't seeing it though, my point is that when you start letting people marry the same sex out of fairness then you have to let them marry animals out of fairness and equality after all it is fair and equal. Marriage was meant to be between a man and a women. It was Adam and Eve guys, not Adam and Steve.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

My point is completely legit you aren't seeing it though, my point is that when you start letting people marry the same sex out of fairness then you have to let them marry animals out of fairness and equality after all it is fair and equal. Marriage was meant to be between a man and a women. It was Adam and Eve guys, not Adam and Steve.

oh my.
Adam and Eve? Isn't that the bible?
not EVERYONE believes in the bible, so that point isn't really helping you either.
WHERE does it say in a non-religious place that marriage is for a man and a woman?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

My point is completely legit you aren't seeing it though, my point is that when you start letting people marry the same sex out of fairness then you have to let them marry animals out of fairness and equality after all it is fair and equal. Marriage was meant to be between a man and a women. It was Adam and Eve guys, not Adam and Steve.

Animals have no rights. Cruel as it may be you can kill one out of spite and only have to pay a fine. So once again, that arguement is useless.

Oh and thank you for pointing out a completley useless story of Adam and Eve.(sorry religious folks, I go to church, but I don't believe that story one bit).

My point is completely legit you aren't seeing it though, my point is that when you start letting people marry the same sex out of fairness then you have to let them marry animals out of fairness and equality after all it is fair and equal.

But the relationships arent equal when you compare human/animal with human/human. This has already been demonstrated to you.

It was Adam and Eve guys, not Adam and Steve.

Steve might have just not been mentioned. Also, establish the validity of the whole creation myth.

You are officially one of the stupidest people I think I have encountered on the internet. You have absolutely no plausible data to back up your theories, no proof, and no points. You are simply making this topic harder and harder to stomach due to the utter bull**** that so many people seem to be pulling out of their behinds these days.

My point is completely legit you aren't seeing it though, my point is that when you start letting people marry the same sex out of fairness then you have to let them marry animals out of fairness and equality after all it is fair and equal.

Can you look up statistics in countries where same sex marriage is legal and see if there are any issues arising over beastiality as a cause of allowing homosexual marriage instead of weakly enforcing your "points" with no data?

Originally Posted by Taakeslottet

You are officially one of the stupidest people I think I have encountered on the internet. You have absolutely no plausible data to back up your theories, no proof, and no points. You are simply making this topic harder and harder to stomach due to the utter bull**** that so many people seem to be pulling out of their behinds these days.



Can you look up statistics in countries where same sex marriage is legal and see if there are any issues arising over beastiality as a cause of allowing homosexual marriage instead of weakly enforcing your "points" with no data?

You should give up, debating with him is like trying to fit the whole Pacific ocean into a dixie cup. We aren't really even on the same topic anymore.

Originally Posted by squall24

You should give up, debating with him is like trying to fit the whole Pacific ocean into a dixie cup. We aren't really even on the same topic anymore.

Sad to say, you're right.
people have lost the ability to debate and still remain sane. =(

Well I can see this is going to be complicated to get throught to you hard-headed people out there...


OK. To start, I do need to say that assumptions about people aren't making me very happy.

Also, why are you trying to justify something that simply goes against human nature???



How do you expect to convince at least 90% of America that gay marriage is correct?

I have my reasons to continue on the debating. Check earlier in the thread if you are uniformed, one-two pages back should do it.

Originally Posted by Taakeslottet

I have my reasons to continue on the debating. Check earlier in the thread if you are uniformed, one-two pages back should do it.

I've been following the debate sice the beginning, I know what its like argueing to wall, I sympathize with you, trust me. You have a point to prove, and I'm not telling you to stop, you're opponent just won't change his mind no matter how hard you try.

Originally Posted by Taakeslottet

You are officially one of the stupidest people I think I have encountered on the internet. You have absolutely no plausible data to back up your theories, no proof, and no points. You are simply making this topic harder and harder to stomach due to the utter bull**** that so many people seem to be pulling out of their behinds these days.

Thanks, I enjoy being flamed over a simple debate.