Is demanding a child domestic alienation?

This is something I am constantly hearing about and it disgusts me.

As I am branching away from my High School community in Elizabethtown(five years now), I am noticing that the "baby" periods in all the surviving relationships is coming and going.
It is not the common thing expected. There are little to no abandoned mothers in this case.
It is the struggle to have a child in the first place. There seems to be this demand from females my age to their spouses that their children must be bore on demand. As if it is their right or something.
This is a mindset I am getting very sick of hearing about. It is simply a double standard, and a very undignified one.
A man is called a pig for pressuring a woman for sex. Yet, when a woman pressures a man to bear her child, it is overlooked. Why? Is this not just as alienating?
As far as a relationship goes, these are equal steps. Sex is a form of communication, it can be used to gain an ultimate understanding of one another, therefore bringing forth a new life or change in life for both partners.
Both lovers must do this willingly and openly for it to be right. Or else resentment can make things very sticky.
It is a commitment, in many cases but not all.

Having a child is VERY similiar, and can reap the same consequences. Except in this case, even another person may be effected.
So why are all of these women doing these horrible things to their lovers just because they aren't getting their damn babies right away?
Because the one you claim to love will not bear your child when you wish it, he is completely useless to you? Is this not the same as abandoning a woman because she refuses to have sex?
Poking holes in condoms can be on the same level as rape, right?
So why is it not seen that way?
It is just as spiteful and deceitful.
If you claim that you love somebody, you must accept. Acceptance is a key principle in many types of partnerships.

What are your opinions?

You're right about both partners must be willing and open for the relationship to be right, because if one partner is forced (or denied) something, it can cause massive resentment that would endanger that relationship. Having a child with your partner can be a very special affair also, because you and your partner have decided that you want a child to raise together. Enforcing or denying this (or anything really) can cause a lot of problems for the other partner, and really the only way for it to work is to communicate, talk it over and reach a compromise if necessary. It's also difficult for some because some women can have very strong maternal feelings, and sometimes the urge to have a baby (when they feel their biological clock is ticking away) can drive them to be incessant about the issue towards their partner. However, that doesn't mean I'd condone 'condom poking', in which a woman pokes a hole in the condom as a chance to get pregnant, because normally it takes two to raise a baby, and the father would have to pay maintenance towards the child and help look after it also, neither of which is fair if he never agreed to it in the first place. I'd also consider it bad if the man continued to deny letting his partner have a child throughout the entirety their relationship because he only wanted sex and somebody to look after him, simply because he didn't like the idea of children. If he's only wanting sex while his partner is really wanting a child, then perhaps that is not the right sort of relationship for either of them to be in. Acceptance must go both ways, not merely conceding to another's demands, whatever they are.

Originally Posted by OubliantLeSang

Having a child is VERY similiar, and can reap the same consequences. Except in this case, even another person may be effected.
So why are all of these women doing these horrible things to their lovers just because they aren't getting their damn babies right away?
Because the one you claim to love will not bear your child when you wish it, he is completely useless to you? Is this not the same as abandoning a woman because she refuses to have sex?
Poking holes in condoms can be on the same level as rape, right?
So why is it not seen that way?
It is just as spiteful and deceitful.
If you claim that you love somebody, you must accept. Acceptance is a key principle in many types of partnerships.

What are your opinions?

I've never heard of anything like this happening outside of an episode of Footballers Wives or the problem page of The Sun, so I can't relate to ever experiencing a situation like this vicariously - never mind personally!

Using a condom as a pin cushion or replacing your birth control pills with Flintstones vitamins may make for great television, although I'll agree that it has no place in polite society; as would everybody here I suspect. Conceiving a child under such deceitful circumstances is reprehensible, and I'm glad to say that I don't think it's a common practice. Maybe I'm just naive, but I think that most children are conceived with the consent of both parents or accidentally. That's purely going on my own intuition though.

That's not to say that I don't believe that there are women out there who are hell bent on conceiving and woe betide anybody who suggests otherwise! Unfortunately there are people who treat their cervix no better than the reset button on their tamagotchi, and are under the impression that babies are a one-size-fixes-all for whatever problem they're facing.

Float your cervix.

I would say that a woman abandoning a man because he feels he isn't ready to have kids is the same as a man abandoning a woman because she doesn't want him inside her.

Now there are different reasons why a man wouldn't want to have condomless sex. He might dislike babies, or feel he wouldn't make a good father. Or maybe he just wants sex without worrying about empregnating the woman.

But there's another thing. Whoever isn't directly caring for the baby is expected to pay child support. If the man feels he isn't emotionally or financially ready to have a son/daughter, then his feelings should be considered as well as hers.

Even though the woman is the one who gets pregnant, it effects the man just as much as the woman in the years afterwards. Unless he goes to another state and hides from the law or something.

Originally Posted by Vega

I've never heard of anything like this happening outside of an episode of Footballers Wives or the problem page of The Sun, so I can't relate to ever experiencing a situation like this vicariously - never mind personally!

Using a condom as a pin cushion or replacing your birth control pills with Flintstones vitamins may make for great television, although I'll agree that it has no place in polite society; as would everybody here I suspect. Conceiving a child under such deceitful circumstances is reprehensible, and I'm glad to say that I don't think it's a common practice. Maybe I'm just naive, but I think that most children are conceived with the consent of both parents or accidentally. That's purely going on my own intuition though.

That's not to say that I don't believe that there are women out there who are hell bent on conceiving and woe betide anybody who suggests otherwise! Unfortunately there are people who treat their cervix no better than the reset button on their tamagotchi, and are under the impression that babies are a one-size-fixes-all for whatever problem they're facing.

Float your cervix.

I am speaking purely from observation here. In my own area, and on other more personal web forums.

It is not entirely common, but often enough to be a problem....