The war between USA and Iraq.

Feel free to discuss about the war between USA and Iraq.
I think the war was a very horrible choice made by Bush. Horrible. And i bet, that part of why USA is fighting, is beacuse of that Iraq has much oil. And, that George W Bush wants a revenge. HORRIBLE, BUSH!

I agree. Thousands of soldiers are dead or maimed because of this pointless war. The dollars value just keeps getting lower, because the war has put the US trillions of dollars in debt. TRILLIONS! My grandchildren will be paying for this war.

This war is giving the US a bad name. If you go to Europe (where I'm from), people technicaly don't like Americans. Bush has turned the US into one of the most hated countries on the planet. He's the worst president ever. The day he leaves office will be day for everyone to celebrate.

I don't know much about the war, but I'm real sure that the media isn't telling it like it is. I hear about soldiers who come back that are surprised at the way the media talks about it.

I seriously doubt that oil is an issue, because we aren't hearing news reports about the military taking oil out. If it were true, the media would be covering it.

I don't know why foriegners hate America. I know this country has a lot of problems, but we're spending billions of dollars on other countries trying to help them while we are supposeldy in debt. We also have a huge illegal immigration problem which proves a lot of people would rather live here than there.

I don't know if we're really in debt, but if we stop giving money to other countries it would help our problems. Of course, that would make foriegners hate us more.

That's why this war got started. Because extremists hate us. Now we're over there keeping them from launching attacks over here. I don't know if we're in the right place or not, but that's ecause I don't have the kind of connections to find out.

I just handle my own things and as long as the war stays over there I have no problems with my government's actions.

Incorrect. We are over there because Saddam had worn out his use, and Iraq both proved to be the perfect stage to showcase the new neocon foreign policy on nationbuilding - a pipedream - and the last ditch effort of America to secure the only true untapped oil reserves in the Middle East and prolong the effects peak oil is having on our economy.


Extremists? Saddam was perhaps one of the only real powers in the region that kept extremism in its place aside from Jordan, Egypt, and Israel. At the same time, they were the only thing keeping Iran at bay from expanding its growing sphere of influence.




We're there to keep "them" from launching attacks over here? Technically yes. We, in a completely unrelated war, present to the Islamic extremist movements the world over a juicy target. So they no longer care about attacking us here.

They're already doing it really easily from over there.

Yep. It was proven Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11. That was Bin Laden. Now we're wasting time, money, and soldiers in Iraq. Now the US is trying to impose democracy on Iraq, and it is failing miserably. The country is on the brink of civil war. Also, think about Iraqis whose homes were destroyed, whose friends and family were killed by US soldiers. Do you honestly think that they'll like the US after that? No. This war is creating more terrorists.

Originally Posted by Twilightwolf64

Yep. It was proven Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11. That was Bin Laden. Now we're wasting time, money, and soldiers in Iraq. Now the US is trying to impose democracy on Iraq, and it is failing miserably. The country is on the brink of civil war. Also, think about Iraqis whose homes were destroyed, whose friends and family were killed by US soldiers. Do you honestly think that they'll like the US after that? No. This war is creating more terrorists.

To be fair, it's not on the brink of civil war, it pratically is a civil war. The whole place is a fruit basket, and if it were up to me, I would just leave it and let it settle itself. Unfortunately, that can't happen, as things may turn worse if it is left alone, like a larger country out there may swallow it up, or another Saddam Hussein type person might appear. Plus, the west kind of needs the oil to, you know, survive. Unless the government puts effort into alternate fuels, they will just keep trying to protect their oil reserves.

I think that things are starting to get better over there. But it will still be a long while, and I wonder if the US will keep up with it. I mean, I think the UK have future plans to pull out if I'm correct.

There was no reason to delete my post.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

We are at war with Iraq? I didn't know that...

Now, why do you think I would say something like that? Because we are not at war with Iraq. We are allies with Iraq, and are helping establish the new government in Iraq. We are at war with anti-occupational guerrillas and not the country of Iraq itself.

Originally Posted by Twilightwolf64

Yep. It was proven Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11. That was Bin Laden. Now we're wasting time, money, and soldiers in Iraq. Now the US is trying to impose democracy on Iraq, and it is failing miserably. The country is on the brink of civil war. Also, think about Iraqis whose homes were destroyed, whose friends and family were killed by US soldiers. Do you honestly think that they'll like the US after that? No. This war is creating more terrorists.

Why does it matter if it has to do with 9-11 or not? That whole area is a threat. We are wasting time and money for YOUR safety. I suggest you support it and whatever way they go about doing it. As long as they don't do something completely outrageous and stupid they will always have my support they should have yours too.

Even if it is about oil I am sure it is somewhat, the US NEEDS oil to survive right now. We are going to need oil for a long time to come. I would bet something will be wrong with the new "green" cars we all make the switch to too. It would be inevitable. So until we make a complete change oil will be the main fuel source. It has been a sturdy fuel. GO OIL!

You act like America kills people on purpose. Haven't you seen them beheading people or using children as human shields? Oh thats right you aren't a US soldier and you are being mutated by the left wing media. WHats better? A few civilians dead with some dangerous terrorists, or dead millions of dead Americans?

You guys need to stop bashing bush, Clinton left this horrible mess for him to clean blame Clinton. Usually I don't judge politicians as people but Clinton is a foul man. That bastard deserves to die. At least bush has the resolve to commence war and not back out like the left wing wusses.

Go BUSH and Go OIL!

QUESTION:

Ok, i've heard "IT'S ABOUT THE OIL!!!! IT'S ABOUT THE OIL!" several times now.
If it was about the oil, why would we be fighting them?
Shouldn't we be making friends instead, if wanting the oil was the case?

Maybe I've read posts wrong. I don't know.
And, I'm not about to read all of them again, just correct me if I'm wrong.

I support Bush, btw.

Im not that that surfe about ''the oil'' but Iraq has a huge oil quarry so many want part of it to use. We are also trianing the Iraq troops to protect themselves from people and or groups that might want to take control of thier land.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Why does it matter if it has to do with 9-11 or not? That whole area is a threat. We are wasting time and money for YOUR safety. I suggest you support it and whatever way they go about doing it. As long as they don't do something completely outrageous and stupid they will always have my support they should have yours too.

We've long since thrown off what it means to be living under a monarchy with right of mandate. Our government is our advocatus, not our master. We are duty-bound to tell it just what we will accept and what we can agree with.

By definition of Republic, they have my support as long as they represent my views and reasons for electing them in the first place.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Even if it is about oil I am sure it is somewhat, the US NEEDS oil to survive right now. We are going to need oil for a long time to come. I would bet something will be wrong with the new "green" cars we all make the switch to too. It would be inevitable. So until we make a complete change oil will be the main fuel source. It has been a sturdy fuel. GO OIL!

No. We need Iraq's oil to support our economic growth, not our survival. The only plus gained from untariffed oil supplies like Iraq is the chance that the coming depression won't tax the finances of our large scale businesses. The economic crash will affect the common and middle man just as hard as without Iraqi oil.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

You act like America kills people on purpose. Haven't you seen them beheading people or using children as human shields? Oh thats right you aren't a US soldier and you are being mutated by the left wing media. WHats better? A few civilians dead with some dangerous terrorists, or dead millions of dead Americans?

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

You guys need to stop bashing bush, Clinton left this horrible mess for him to clean blame Clinton. Usually I don't judge politicians as people but Clinton is a foul man. That bastard deserves to die. At least bush has the resolve to commence war and not back out like the left wing wusses.

Now comes the part where you back up your assertion with points and facts.

Just what 'mess' did Clinton leave behind, what makes Clinton a 'foul man' and why does he 'deserve to die'?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Go BUSH and Go OIL!

It is only sensible to be pragmatic about our need for global prestige and cheap oil. Anything more than that borders evil sentimentalities.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Why does it matter if it has to do with 9-11 or not?

The Bush administration intentionally juxtaposed "Saddam" and "Al-Qaeda" on several occasions to create the impression that Saddam had been involved with 9/11. It was later revealed this was not true.

The evidence that supported that there was an imminent threat of nuclear weapons development was either fabricated or significantly overstated.

Misleading the public and fighting a war based on false pretenses is not good policy. Worse, launching preemptive strikes with faulty or nonexistent justification sets the precedent that one country should be able to attack another on a whim, so long as it has the means to do so.

Despite no direct link between 9/11 and Iraq, it is highly unlikely we would be there if 9/11 never occurred.

You guys need to stop bashing bush, Clinton left this horrible mess for him to clean blame Clinton. Usually I don't judge politicians as people but Clinton is a foul man. That bastard deserves to die. At least bush has the resolve to commence war and not back out like the left wing wusses.

Read Ann Coulter much?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

So until we make a complete change oil will be the main fuel source. It has been a sturdy fuel. GO OIL!

Go BUSH and Go OIL!

Sure, oil has been a sturdy fuel source, but I've got a reason why we MUST change: OIL WON'T LAST FOREVER! Oil takes millions of years to form, and when we run out, there will be no oil for millions of years. If we use oil and have no alternative fuel by the time we run out, the world will go dark. Do you really want that to happen?

DOWN WITH OIL!