Thoughts on Hunting

Sport =/= A sport. There are two different things. The reason? I don't know, but it's important, and damn fun too.

But this has gone off topic. ENOUGH ABOUT IT! As Alissa says, it's just a fox. Who the bloody hell cares?

Originally Posted by Durza

Sport =/= A sport. There are two different things. The reason? I don't know, but it's important, and damn fun too.

How so are they different? If you don't know then why even bother to say this, why criticize others who don't agree with you if you don't even have an argument against them?
Its like saying that you're more important then someone else because you simply say so.

But this has gone off topic. ENOUGH ABOUT IT! As Alissa says, it's just a fox. Who the bloody hell cares?

I haven't gone off topic once. This was about discussing our feelings about hunting. I'm asking why you think the way you do as if animals were meant to die just for our enjoyment.

Who cares? I care, and you'd be surprised that there are a bunch of others that care about animal rights and the idea that this Earth is not only for us. One question, what will you do when there are no more foxes, move on to another animal?

Originally Posted by Jägermeister

I love hunting nothing is wrong if you use the animal. Its not cruel either

How is it not cruel? O_o

If I kill you and then use your skin to make a coat, is that not cruel?

Originally Posted by Jägermeister

Shooting rabbits is fun , shooting deer is fun , but the best is huniting hogs and aligators

Oh yes. There certainly isn't a cruel air surrounding that comment. >_>

Originally Posted by Jägermeister

hmm not likely even so i would not die there is no karma involved with hunting i kill it if it moves my way if it has a kid i kill it too because otherwise it can't live. I use the meat.I do nothing wrong

"i kill it if it moves my way if it has a kid I kill it too." But no, you're obviously not doing anything morally repulsive.

Originally Posted by Citizen Snips

I don't see the thrill of killing animals with guns. Neither do I know why its a sport if you're using a gun. To me, its barbaric and cold if your not going to use the animal at all.

A great point. All you hunters who are reading this need to stop being pussies. If you're going to kill animals anyway, at least have some balls about it and do it with your hands.

Originally Posted by Durza

Just because you love them doesn't mean you can't hunt them.

O_o Your definition of "love" differs greatly from mine, apparently.

Lavmiester, two things. Fox hunting is still going strong, and you offended me. If you don't like it, don't go into detail on why, because you might offend someone, like me.

Heaven forbid someone should take offense to the senseless killing of animals as sport. =/

Originally Posted by Durza

Domestic dogs are pets. Foxes are wild animals. And it's not for "lolz," it's for sport. Seriously lavmiester, between me and Alissa it's two against one. Just shut up about it!

I do believe it's now three against two. Mind your tongue.

Originally Posted by lavmiester

a cute defensless widdle fox

I bet you think it won't be so cute when it catches rabies and tries to rip your throat out.

I don't really mind the idea of hunting, but I don't think that I would be able to kill an animal myself. For one, my aim is really bad so I would more likely end up shooting myself than the animal. I also hate to see animals dying. Its just...sad. But if I had to for some reason, I probably would.

Originally Posted by Alissa

I bet you'll think its cute when it catches rabies and attempts to rip your throat out too.

Is there something wrong with it trying to defend itself? Its afraid, and I would be too if I was being hunted. So why blame it, it has a reason to do that.

I just had a thought. How cool would it be if people hunting was legal? Can you picture that?

Basically, you'd get a permit for your gun and (but only during season) you could just walk around, putting bullets in peoples' heads. Basically, it's everyone with a gun against everyone without a gun. If you don't have a gun, well, too bad for you. Just run and cower, hoping anyone who finds you will deem you unworthy and let you keep your life.

But that's not even the coolest part. Every time you kill someone, anything they have on them is yours. Watches, clothes, jewelry, anything! Heck, you can even take the skin if you want.

No one would be off limits. You could kill men, women, and children alike. Of course, why would you kill a child? Best to let them grow into more challenging prey. It's funner that way. And really, when it all comes down to it, it's really all about fun, right? You don't need a reason. It's sport. Get out there and kill some people, dammit!

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Yeah, it doesn't any better with animals, either.

Originally Posted by Aex

How is it not cruel? O_o

it is called survival of the fittest. we evolved faster, so we don't die. others, on the other hand, don't do so well. Besides, think of us as "wildlife population control specialists."

Originally Posted by Aex

If I kill you and then use your skin to make a coat, is that not cruel?

Do you eat cows?
SAME THING

Originally Posted by Aex

Oh yes. There certainly isn't a cruel air surrounding that comment. >_>

No, there isn't

Originally Posted by Aex

"i kill it if it moves my way if it has a kid I kill it too." But no, you're obviously not doing anything morally repulsive.

There shouldn't be babies, hunting season is only in the winter.

Originally Posted by Aex

A great point. All you hunters who are reading this need to stop being pussies. If you're going to kill animals anyway, at least have some balls about it and do it with your hands.

They are good because of our strength, we are good because of our brains. we made the guns, we use them. (don't comment on that, I know I diddn't make the gun, but man did)

Originally Posted by Aex

O_o Your definition of "love" differs greatly from mine, apparently.

Yea, I love how they taste.

Originally Posted by Aex

Heaven forbid someone should take offense to the senseless killing of animals as sport. =/

For once, I agree.

Originally Posted by Aex

I do believe it's now three against two. Mind your tongue.

Make that twice.

Originally Posted by akamaru

it is called survival of the fittest. we evolved faster, so we don't die. others, on the other hand, don't do so well. Besides, think of us as "wildlife population control specialists."

Survival of the fittest is cruel. Killing others to survive when, in reality, they pose no threat to your survival, is cruel.

Do you eat cows?
SAME THING

Ha. Hardly. I don't hunt cows for sport. Whether I do or do not eat beef does not effect the amount of cows killed for it. And companies who sell beef don't hunt the damn things. It's the action that's cruel, not the motive.

There shouldn't be babies, hunting season is only in the winter.

So either Jägermeister was lying to make the act seem more cruel, or he was so eager to kill things that he went hunting out of season. Point for the hunters? I think not. =/

They are good because of our strength, we are good because of our brains. we made the guns, we use them. (don't comment on that, I know I diddn't make the gun, but man did)

Well, the only reason we need our brains is because we evolved into pansies who couldn't hunt with our hands.

Yea, I love how they taste.

The humour in that fails to amuse me. >_>

Please remember that all thoughts I have on hunting are in my opinion and my opinion only.

I think hunting is a cruel act. I know people hunt for food and to keep the population down, but for god sakes hunting for sport is just as bad as taking a gun and shooting a human in the face.

I remember I guy I knew went to Canada, and shot a Mom bear, and both her cubs, and has them all stuffed in his living room. I really like animals and I don't think they should be hunted, So my vote is a thumbs down about hunting. :0p

Originally Posted by akamaru

it is called survival of the fittest. we evolved faster, so we don't die. others, on the other hand, don't do so well. Besides, think of us as "wildlife population control specialists."

No, this is not survival of the fittest, its us killing the species for no reason at times, its us just being selfish. I we are the dominate species and have the brains, why be such jerks to other animals?
Why is murder fun to you? Why don't you think the killing of animals like this is not murder?

As for, population control, I think you would be fired by now. We don't need them because you guys overdid it a bit too much.

Do you eat cows?
SAME THING

Not really, food is something that is essential for us to live, skinning for money is something entirely different. We don't need expensive furs, we have many other sources to keep us warm now.

No, there isn't

If you don't think so, then I don't know how you can sleep at night after you hunt. Can one of you "big time hunters" finally answer this question:

How does killing helpless, innocent, live beings give you a sense of pleasure, enjoyment, and fun? How can you stand doing murder, having blood on you're hands when you know that your not going to use that animal at all, that you don't need it?

Most of all, why should it be a sport? Why is murdering animals different from murdering humans?

I will continue to ask this question for you hunters until one of you has the guts to answer.

There shouldn't be babies, hunting season is only in the winter.

I tend to disagree with that. Hunting is everywhere at any time. Everyday, every single day, a trigger is pulled.

They are good because of our strength, we are good because of our brains. we made the guns, we use them. (don't comment on that, I know I diddn't make the gun, but man did)

But why do this to them anyways? This isn't about "because we're better". Thats being selfish, we all obviously know that. But we don't have to be cold-blood murderers because of that, just get what we need.

For once, I agree.

You, my friend, are cold. You have no respect for the other habitants of this Earth. Why can't you face it that this Earth isn't only for us. We should be thanking animals, if it weren't for them, we'd be dead.

Yea, I love how they taste.

Me too, I won't deny.

EDIT: I am convinced that this should go into I:SB now. Really.

Originally Posted by Aex

Survival of the fittest is cruel. Killing others to survive when, in reality, they pose no threat to your survival, is cruel.

So, the reason we evolved is cruel? and whats with the wink?

Originally Posted by Aex

Ha. Hardly. I don't hunt cows for sport. Whether I do or do not eat beef does not effect the amount of cows killed for it. And companies who sell beef don't hunt the damn things. It's the action that's cruel, not the motive.

A. Deer die a lot less than cows, deer have seasons, cows have about a year to live.

2. Do you know how they kill cows? they slit their necks and wait for them to die. That is less cruel for letting the (insert animal name here) to die instantly with a bullet?

Originally Posted by Aex

So either Jägermeister was lying to make the act seem more cruel, or he was so eager to kill things that he went hunting out of season. Point for the hunters? I think not. =/

Point for... I don't know what to call you. Ah.. Point for city folks? I think not.

Originally Posted by Aex

Well, the only reason we need our brains is because we evolved into pansies who couldn't hunt with our hands.

It is the other way around. The reason we evolved into pansies is because we gained the massive amount of knowledge to let us go from the bottom of the food chain, to the top.

Originally Posted by Aex

The humour in that fails to amuse me. >_>

I was making a point, not trying to humour my argumentees.

EDIT:

Not really, food is something that is essential for us to live, skinning for money is something entirely different. We don't need expensive furs, we have many other sources to keep us warm now.

I know that, it's for
FOOD

Originally Posted by akamaru

So, the reason we evolved is cruel? and whats with the wink?

Survival of the fittest isn't the reason we evolved. It's the manner in which we evolved. And yes, it's rather cruel. And the wink? Meh. It means a multitude of things in any given situation. When I used it, I was basically implying that I found your question laughable.

A. Deer die a lot less than cows, deer have seasons, cows have about a year to live.

2. Do you know how they kill cows? they slit their necks and wait for them to die. That is less cruel for letting the (insert animal name here) to die instantly with a bullet?

A. Your point being? And cows often live more than a year before they're killed for their meat.

And 2. (because apparently it has replaced B. in the alphabet >_>) Still, they're not hunted for sport.

Point for... I don't know what to call you. Ah.. Point for city folks? I think not.

City folk? Nah, I'm a country hick, really. People with a conscience, I guess.

It is the other way around. The reason we evolved into pansies is because we gained the massive amount of knowledge to let us go from the bottom of the food chain, to the top.

Regardless, we're still pansies. And bullies, no less. Yay, we're adding more undesirable traits to the list.

I was making a point, not trying to humour my argumentees.

Ah. Try again, then. =/

Originally Posted by akamaru

So, the reason we evolved is cruel? and whats with the wink?

No, to survive, but we're really pushing it don't you think?

A. Deer die a lot less than cows, deer have seasons, cows have about a year to live.

With the way you guys are hunting them, that will never be the same. Period. You can't argue against that.

2. Do you know how they kill cows? they slit their necks and wait for them to die. That is less cruel for letting the (insert animal name here) to die instantly with a bullet?

Thats not the point and you're not getting it. The cow is at least being killed for food. As much as it hurts me to hear that, I know that can't be stopped. But hunting can, I'd prefer the animal alive then with a bullet.

Point for... I don't know what to call you. Ah.. Point for city folks? I think not.

No, point for those who believe of a shared world.

It is the other way around. The reason we evolved into pansies is because we gained the massive amount of knowledge to let us go from the bottom of the food chain, to the top.

yet why do we have to commit murder as well. Once again, the question:

Originally Posted by Snips

How does killing helpless, innocent, live beings give you a sense of pleasure, enjoyment, and fun? How can you stand doing murder, having blood on you're hands when you know that your not going to use that animal at all, that you don't need it?

Most of all, why should it be a sport? Why is murdering animals different from murdering humans?

I know that, it's for
FOOD

You eat fur? I apologize, thats just not very common.

Originally Posted by Citizen Snips

No, to survive, but we're really pushing it don't you think?

Um, the way I hunt, I use the meat. that is the same as a cow.

With the way you guys are hunting them, that will never be the same. Period. You can't argue against that.

Shooting them and trying to make them die instantly without being frightened? That is sooooo cruel.

Thats not the point and you're not getting it. The cow is at least being killed for food. As much as it hurts me to hear that, I know that can't be stopped. But hunting can, I'd prefer the animal alive then with a bullet.

Deer= good food, better than cows. If we stopp, the deer will die of overpopulation, you know that we are the deer's main preditor.

No, point for those who believe of a shared world.

Yes, when you come across a bear and try to hug it, I will laugh.

yet why do we have to commit murder as well. Once again, the question:

FOOD

You eat fur? I apologize, thats just not very common.

THE MEAT YOU-

I eat the meat, not the fur.

Originally Posted by akamaru

Um, the way I hunt, I use the meat. that is the same as a cow.

Not at all. You're hunting the animal, not raising it.

Shooting them and trying to make them die instantly without being frightened? That is sooooo cruel.

It might be less cruel than slitting a throat, but the fact that you can shrug it off like that seriously frightens me.

Deer= good food, better than cows. If we stopp, the deer will die of overpopulation, you know that we are the deer's main preditor.

The deer will... die of... overpopulation? O_o

Any chance you wanna think that one through and try again?

Yes, when you come across a bear and try to hug it, I will laugh.

Hey, it makes more sense than shooting one.

Originally Posted by Aex

Not at all. You're hunting the animal, not raising it.

Not raising it? We plant the kind of grass that grows in the winter... every winter. It is our land, It is better than raising it because it can come and go as it pleases.

It might be less cruel than slitting a throat, but the fact that you can shrug it off like that seriously frightens me.

It was just the way I raised... I don't hunt rigt outside my house, though. It is a two-hour ride to get to our "deer camp" as I call it.

You said you live in the outback, do you have a shotgun?
Killing geese are different than mammals, birds don't have feelings.

The deer will... die of... overpopulation? O_o

Any chance you wanna think that one through and try again?

In two ways:

A. Car crashes (they will move to other places, and go on the road).

2. They all eat the recources, and then they don't have any left any more. Then, they die.

Hey, it makes more sense than shooting one.

A bear is about to kill us! Lets hug it!

Originally Posted by akamaru

Not raising it? We plant the kind of grass that grows in the winter... every winter. It is our land, It is better than raising it because it can come and go as it pleases.

Bleh. Fine. Good for you. You're better than a slaughter house. I suppose you want a cookie? >_>

You said you live in the outback, do you have a shotgun?

Not the outback. Just the country, really. And no, I don't have a shotgun. My grandfather does, though.

Killing geese are different than mammals, birds don't have feelings.

It's misinformation like this that leads many people to believe that hunting is morally acceptable.

In two ways:

A. Car crashes (they will move to other places, and go on the road).

2. They all eat the recources, and then they don't have any left any more. Then, they die.

A. Yeah. But they do that regardless of population.

2. (Bring back B, dammit ><) And then their predators start lessening, and the population rises again. Nature balances itself so long as humans leave it the hell alone.

A bear is about to kill us! Lets hug it!

Perhaps it wouldn't be trying to kill us if we hadn't shot it!

[QUOTE=Aex;1659724]Bleh. Fine. Good for you. You're better than a slaughter house. I suppose you want a cookie? >_>

Duh, dogs rule. <--=

Not the outback. Just the country, really. And no, I don't have a shotgun. My grandfather does, though.

Does he hunt?

It's misinformation like this that leads many people to believe that hunting is morally acceptable.

That is correct information, all they have is instincs.

A. Yeah. But they do that regardless of population.

A bigger population is more crossing the road.

2. (Bring back B, dammit ><) And then their predators start lessening, and the population rises again. Nature balances itself so long as humans leave it the hell alone.

There is nothing to do with preditors, here, I said resources.

Perhaps it wouldn't be trying to kill us if we hadn't shot it!

Perhaps it wouldn't be trying to kill us if we hadn't missed it!

Originally Posted by akamaru

Does he hunt?

Indeed he does.

That is correct information, all they have is instincs.

Bullocks. Find me a few reliable sources which claim the same thing.

A bigger population is more crossing the road.

The population never grows so large that deer are forced onto the road. >_>

They wander onto the road, often looking for food.

There is nothing to do with preditors, here, I said resources.

If there are less deer, the amount of resources consumed lessens, and the population slowly grows. Again, nature balances itself out.

Perhaps it wouldn't be trying to kill us if we hadn't missed it!

Perhaps we shouldn't have been shooting at the damn thing in the first place. I reckon we deserve to get eaten.