9/11 was it a hoax?

Okay, my sister came home from work last night screaming about how she hated the governement and how Bush is soooo horrible. I say "stop whining, name one thing the goverment is lying to us about?" she says 9/11 and tells me to watch the loose change video. I'm not sure if there have been any threads on this already, but i think this is big, serious, and should be debated.

heres the videos site. Loose Change Website - Version 2.0

scroll down and click to veiw the video. If you dont have the time to watch the video (it is pretty long) it basicly says that the plane that crashed into the pentagon could be a missle (uses quotes and scientific resoning to explain why this is possible) and has reason to support that the government destroyed their own buildings. supposedly the 3rd trade tower (yeah there was a third one in case you didnt know) was bombed by the governement. The world trade towers were the only buildings to fall straight down due to fire. also, a while ago (dont recall exact date) an airplane accidently crashed into the empire state building due to fog. the building remained intact. If you think Im just full of crap, watch the video, its got some pretty convincing and persuasive stuff.

Why would the government destroy their own buildings and kill thousands of their own innocent civillians?

Where would the poeple who made this documentary have gotten all the documents?

And why hasn't the US gov said anything abou this documentary?

I find it kind of ridiculous to kill thousands of people and destroy a national monument as a prank. In fact, it is ridiculous. The only mildly criminal thing the U.S. government did was not heed the threats made by the people who caused the entire event in the first place. Granted, you can't blame them, seeing as the U.S. government has the combined intelligence of a weasel...

I call shenanigans.

Yeah. I can't see the government destroying any buildings for a hoax, let alone the World Trade Center. That place was like one of the most important places in the entire country! They wouldn't hijack a plane into the Pentagon either. That place was very important as well.

9/11 was definitely NOT a hoax. It just wouldn't go as far as it did if it were.

Here's the video that has a commentary dubunking Loose Change.

Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again edition - Google Video

Some fun facts: The creators of Loose Change have admitted that they first created it as a hoax, and only claimed it was real after they found a sponsor willing to pay them to say so.

In addition, they get their facts wrong, doctor photos, take quotes out-of-context, and out-and-out lie for pretty much the whole movie.

Screw Loose Change , while it has a rather...strong name, I believe that this is the main anti-loose change site, and it has quite a bit of info about how it's simply wrong.

Plus, lets look at this through simple logic. Even if the Loose Change folks were correct, wouldn't the government have them 'disposed of' to prevent other people from discovering the 'truth.' I mean, if you're already killing thousands of your own people, whats a few more going to hurt?

Of course it makes so much sense for the government to destroy their own government. And, even if that did make sense, what would the ultimate motive be? Some hidden conspiracy to turn the whole country over to complete government rule? Well, once again, that makes alot of sense ... esspecially if the center for all military defense was planning on being destroyed in the process - the Pentagon.

People deny the causes of these things that happen and make up their own because they are afraid, or as a joke. Then they get people who know no better to follow them. A cult forms when people look for evidence and information that they only want to see, and thus, what they want to see is all they believe.

I'm not trying to disprove the theory, but the theory does a good job in disproving itself already.

In no way do I mean this personally, but your sister needs to screw her head on straight. You can have all the evidence you want in the world, digging in history files and what not, and it doesn't prove anything. It just means you have more evidence, not that it's any more true.

Plus, lets look at this through simple logic. Even if the Loose Change folks were correct, wouldn't the government have them 'disposed of' to prevent other people from discovering the 'truth.' I mean, if you're already killing thousands of your own people, whats a few more going to hurt?

Exactly what I said, but with fewer words.

Althougfh, why hasn't the government said anything against them, if they are wrong? This would be a pretty big accusation of the governmnet. Wouldn't somebody say something about?

Nope. It's a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

If the government said anything, then the Loose Change people would be able to say: "Aha! They're trying to cover us up!", since they haven't they claim that they have no reply.

The reality is that there are so many insane theories thrown around about everything that the US government couldn't possibly respond to all of them. Besides, why would it throw more money into the investigation after the FEMA report?

firstly, none of you watched the video. its 1hour and 30 minutes long and all of your posts were within the hour. just watch the video and im sure some of your thoughts will change. "I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it." buddy, this was taken directly from your sig, doesnt that say something at all? and for all of you that are like "the government should stop it!" your rite GDdwarf. people would get even more suspicious if they did that. Aaaaand, its on the internet, since peeps have the right of speech, people can say whatever they want. If they got this on TV it would be groundbreaking. only problem, is most stations are government funded (again, the government controls us) so it will probly never be made into a movie or television special. "people shouldnt be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people"
-quoted from V for vandetta

I have heard of certain conspiracy theories against 9/11, but believe none of them. Besides, if the govt. found you thinking these thoughts, you'd have the secret service outside your window before you could blink. I'm not saying the govt. is not corrupt, just that Bush didn't kill people. That's all.

Perhaps some of us have already seen it before? You are not the first person to discover this video.

I really don't know what to think. I'm still deciding on what I believe on this issue. I'm sure the government could have done more, but I really do think that it was not under their control.

Stop quoting movies, those arnt valid sources.

Also, you didn't watch the video that Woflen posted as I only got half an hour through it and I started watching it right when he posted it. Please don't be a hypocrite.

Thank you.

Also, this is the Internet Serious Business forum, please atleast try to have good grammar. People are not "peeps". Peeps are delicious marshmallow type things that are for easter. People are not.

Originally Posted by Necco

Perhaps some of us have already seen it before? You are not the first person to discover this video.

I really don't know what to think. I'm still deciding on what I believe on this issue. I'm sure the government could have done more, but I really do think that it was not under their control.

Stop quoting movies, those arnt valid sources.

Also, you didn't watch the video that Woflen posted as I only got half an hour through it and I started watching it right when he posted it. Please don't be a hypocrite.

Thank you.

Also, this is the Internet Serious Business forum, please atleast try to have good grammar. People are not "peeps". Peeps are delicious marshmallow type things that are for easter. People are not.

the reason i didnt watch the video is because its the same thing as loose change but with comentary, and i just watched the video so its not really interesting at all to watch again, it would be boring. ill watch it some other time, maybe tommarow. anyway, i think its very possible that this happened. the most convincing aspect of the trade towers is that the person that owned them took out insurance claims that protected it from terrorist attacks 6 weeks before the crash. And that at the pentigon there was no wreckage from the plane to be heard of. Like they explained, there would have been wing sections and the engines somewhat intact. I beleive the pentagon thing was a missle. I'm still uncertain about the trade towers though.

It has been 6 years since 9-11 happened. It has been 3 years since Bush last won the reelection. Democracy wins, get over it.

Now for the obligitory links debunking the worst conspiracy since Roswell:

The Ever So Popualr Maddox Link!

Loose Change Viewers Guide

Originally Posted by zeldask8r0990

firstly, none of you watched the video. its 1hour and 30 minutes long and all of your posts were within the hour.

To be perfectly honest? I haven't seen the full thing. However, it's been out for a fair amount of time now, and I am (or rather, was) very familiar with all the claims it makes.

just watch the video and im sure some of your thoughts will change. "I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it." buddy, this was taken directly from your sig, doesnt that say something at all?

All the points I made, and the link I provided, have nothing to do with not knowing what the movie says. I know what it says, and my points still stand. The creators have admitted that it started as a hoax. I mean, it's hard to get more evidence then that, isn't it?

and for all of you that are like "the government should stop it!" your rite GDdwarf. people would get even more suspicious if they did that.

Not even more, about equal.

If they got this on TV it would be groundbreaking.

I doubt it. Fox showed that whole "Man never landed on the moon" 'documentary', didn't convince anyone. This, if anything, has less evidence, and more lies, so I suspect that it'll have no real impact on anyone who actually looks at the evidence.

only problem, is most stations are government funded (again, the government controls us)

Oh? First I've heard of this. PBS stations, sure, but that's really about it.

"people shouldnt be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people"
-quoted from V for vandetta

Mayhaps. However, no-one should have to fear retribution for an act they did not commit.

Nox helpfully linked to this, as did the Screw Loose Change site that was linked to earlier, but I suspect you haven't read it, so I'll throw the link out again:
Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer Guide

I'm sorry, but I can't imagine my government going so low as to bombing our own citizens. There was the Manhattan Project, but that was to stop a war not start one (and obviously it wasn't used against us either).

I simply cannot imagine such a thing being a hoax.

only problem, is most stations are government funded (again, the government controls us)

Dude, we are the government.

Dude, we are the government.

no were not. we just get to help decide who the government is through voting. past that, we have little to no control.

Nox helpfully linked to this, as did the Screw Loose Change site that was linked to earlier, but I suspect you haven't read it, so I'll throw the link out again:
Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer Guide

actually i did read some of it, but I still beleive the pentagon thing was a missile....

we just get to help decide who the government is through voting.

Therefore, we are the government. That's all you bothered to reply to?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Why would the government destroy their own buildings and kill thousands of their own innocent civillians?

Exactly. The U.S.A. is so great being the land of the free that we love to kill thousands of our owns people, blow up the most important buildings in the country, and also make ourselves go into debt. Yup, that's true Americana there.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, people who believe 9/11 was fake needs to be whacked with a baseball bat and learn that in fact that THEY DID DIE!! God. This ain't Hollywood.

9/11 is real. Terrorists are real. There is no director for this "movie". Everyone dies.

Face it, 9/11 is real!