Women: equal, or more than equal?

Good god, people. It's called etiquette. A man acts like a jerk, the woman gives him the harmless smack he deserves. If a woman is being a jerk, the man can always just stay away from her. Why the "sexism"? Once again, etiquette.

Now, femi-Nazis, those are a different story. Sometimes, in warfare, etc., a man's just gotta do his job.

um hello! You guys must be bad with women. Women deserve respect and that's how you get them. When they slap you how bad could it really hurt they're girls! MAN UP!

You have to treat them right and you should NEVER harm a girl no matter what! By the way don't waste time checking my profile to see if I'm a girl standing up for other girls I am a guy but I know these things.

...A warning people, clean up the thread or it gets locked.

First off:
Make your posts longer
Stop repeating youselves
Make unique points
Justify your views

Do this and I'll keep it open, but all of these posts saying "zOMG! Hitting women is bad!!!!!" (or "I'm allod to hits people!!!!1111", for that matter) have to stop.

Originally Posted by cupac82

um hello! You guys must be bad with women. Women deserve respect and that's how you get them. When they slap you how bad could it really hurt they're girls! MAN UP!

You have to treat them right and you should NEVER harm a girl no matter what! By the way don't waste time checking my profile to see if I'm a girl standing up for other girls I am a guy but I know these things.

'N this is sexism. Just because someone happens to be a girl, lets act like King Tut came to town and treat her like royalty.

You are sexist, from what I bolded. Ya know, girls aren't immune to muscles. Some girls can easily kick anyone's ass if they wanted to. Some girls can slap, and punch a guy pretty damn hard. Not all girls are stupid and beautiful or geeky and ugly, or useless. You're really good at defending girls, when you show sexism. Give me a good reason why a girl should hit me and I should just stand there.

Well, lets see...

This comes from chivalry, a code of conduct instuted by the Church which Knights of the Medieval age had to follow.

Since people hate change, it's been like that for 8 or 9+ centuries now.
I've said for years, "They demand equal rights, but we can't even hit the?"

Granted though, I don't need to hit girls to defend myself against them, they hurt themselves hitting me.

(PS I'll treat girls how they want, equally)

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" Animal Farm

Well, if a man gets hit around by a girl, it's embarrassing. If a guy decides to defend himself and strike back, he's being dishonourable. In the end, the best option may be just to sit there and...well..."take it like a man". The world can be unfair that way, but that's how it is. I suppose being embarrassed is the lesser of the two evils...

In a way, traditional gender roles still have a great influence over who we become as men and women, even if the call for equality between the sexes has come a long way. Expectations for either gender affects everyone to varying extents. Women are allowed to be more emotional and can express how they feel more openly, while men are not allowed to be emotional and tend to keep their feelings to themselves. Also, men are physically built to be stronger than women; perhaps it is because we are taught to have a certain wariness to hit someone generally perceived to be "weaker" than we are.

I suspect some of this is rooted in chivalric ideals as well, but that's not something I've really studied, so I can't really elaborate on it. (It's just an inkling after all.)

Originally Posted by DarKnite92

I agree. Only the blind don't see it. The group that has it the hardest, is, now the white males. Everyone elses rights are protected, never the white males. Women are always given the advantage, and much more lee-way.

Thats becuase the white males as a group don't need their rights protected. There are the majority, they have all the advantages in our culture.

Women have been opressed for ages, they desreve better treatment.

Originally Posted by ChrisHoulihan

Thats becuase the white males as a group don't need their rights protected. There are the majority, they have all the advantages in our culture.

Women have been opressed for ages, they desreve better treatment.

But that still does not make it right. Before the pendulum was swung toward the masculine side, now its swung far into the feminine side. I agree women were oppressed for ages, but its also not right for men to be oppressed. A balance must be aquired. But I believe this is only a plausible idea in a utopian culture that will never exist. The racial and sexist pendulum will keep swinging in our lifetime.

I agree that psychologiclly, women should be dominant in terms of brain, as men are naturally more dominant in brawn. But this doesnt make it right to call a man stupid, or a woman weak. Many women are tough, and abuse this balance, as many men are smart, and also abuse the balance. So its not right to sterotype in terms of sexism, on any grounds.

Originally Posted by ChrisHoulihan

Thats becuase the white males as a group don't need their rights protected. There are the majority, they have all the advantages in our culture.

Women have been opressed for ages, they desreve better treatment.

I see what you mean. In a lot of the discriminatory conflicts over the years, white males have played a big part. Sure, men have had to fight for their rights but women had to do it much later, after half the population had already been given them. I mean, so have many other races or minorities, but they aren't what this thread is about

So we have a little bit of a right to be bitter, but we really shouldn't hold it against them too much... then we'd be doing the same thing!

Originally Posted by Holic

So we have a little bit of a right to be bitter, but we really shouldn't hold it against them too much... then we'd be doing the same thing!

Thats my point, but it seems as though the pendulum has already swung. So this idea is no longer hypothetical. It seems as though equal sexes is something that can never be achieved in our modern age...

To all of you that are saying that the men should sit there and take it like a man are being sexist. By the way there are women out there that have much more mucsle then I ever wish to acheive. Just because the majority of that gender is that way does not mean that they all are. Just like the different races just because almost all professional basketball players are african american, does not mean that all african americans are good at basketball. The same goes with women just because most women are weaker then men does not mean that this applies to all women, for one point I know my aunt could kick my butt anyday.

Originally Posted by benhelmuth

To all of you that are saying that the men should sit there and take it like a man are being sexist. By the way there are women out there that have much more mucsle then I ever wish to acheive. Just because the majority of that gender is that way does not mean that they all are. Just like the different races just because almost all professional basketball players are african american, does not mean that all african americans are good at basketball. The same goes with women just because most women are weaker then men does not mean that this applies to all women, for one point I know my aunt could kick my butt anyday.

Which is why stereotyping sexes should not happen. Im not trying to be a baby in this case, I am worried for both sides, man and women. The balance is destroyed over and over by people that abuse it...perhaps abuse is not a good word. The balance is disrupted by men that are smart, and women that are tough. I am not saying in any way that this is bad thing, other than the fact that it disrupts this balance that people associate with. The balance does not exist, so calling a man stupid, or a woman weak, is wrong in my eyes.

Some people might not like what I'm about to say here, but the thing is, men and women ARE different, and should be treated accordingly so, but still respectfully and without discrimination or prejudice. In an ideal world, if a man and a woman have the same job, the same qualifications and do equal hours, then neither the man nor the woman should have bigger pay packets just for being a 'certain' gender. As such, this is not such an ideal world, and it looks like it'll stay that way for the time being also.

Anyways, as Bingo675 has said, stereotyping people based on their gender really shouldn't be all that desirable of a thing to do, as there will always be a great exceptions to these 'rules'. Women can be strong in many aspects, and men can be weak via physically/mentally/emotionally aspects. I wouldn't expect a man to 'just take it' if an aggravated woman is slapping him around any more than I would tolerate a man slapping his girlfriend around, but I understand that women 'generally' have the more fragile physique and believe that minimal force should be used in most cases (if possible/life threatening situations)

In many domestic situations, while men are more likely to keep quiet about abuse, women are more likely to report it due to receiving far more refuge facilities, more helplines, favour in courts and even more. It's pretty unjust that men are overlooked, but unfortunately, it's known that men are majorly amongst the number of abusers. The (UK) statistics are that 1 in 4 women experience domestic violence in their lifetime, and between 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 women, they experience it annually. Less than half of all incidents are reported to the Police, but they still receive one domestic violence call every minute in the UK. Key statistics also mention that domestic violence kills over two women per week. While there are men that do suffer and need help, women and children appear to be victimised more often and perhaps do need more help, but that doesn't mean that the victimised men should be left out in favour of the women/children. ALL abused people need help, period.

All in all, it is often an unfair system going on between the two sexes, and tilting the scales in favor of one (while depriving the other) isn't going to work. It never has done (except in extreme patriarchal societies) and it never will either in a civil society. As far as I'm concerned, the only job a woman shouldn't have is being a sperm donor, and the only job a man shouldn't have is being a wet nurse.

Seriously though, the difference between men and women should be respected as they are, and not favoured one above the other.

EDIT: There are some things that men are still in favour for, and still things that women are in favour for.

Originally Posted by Pelagias

Seriously though, the difference between men and women should be respected as they are, and not favoured one above the other.

Wishful thinking. I agree with what you said, however. I was not aware of those statistics.

Women take a huge advantage of men 'beating them.' It has gotten hugely ridiculous, it seems as though half the court cases are based off of them. Any decent man knows to keep his natural strength, brawn, from hurting a woman, however most women do not know how to keep their natural strength, brain, from hurting a man. Although this may come off as stereotyping, it i simply the general case. All women may not be more intelligent, for example, but they all have that wish to be, which is why they seem so arrogant to men quite oftenly. And it is the same in the reverse.

Woman are frequently considered "lower" as men, woman are in law not equal to men, that is decided. I, however, don't think that is a specific reason for not "slapping"--or how should I call it--a women

Whats with this whole women have brains men have brawn?

I know plenty of guys smarter than girls, and plenty of girls stronger than guys. Show me numbers.

Originally Posted by Shrukan_Caelestis

NOW I AM OFFENDED!

I don't even slap someone for hitting me. I can't. I just make myself do that.

BTW, this topic is now, SEXIST!

No, a few of the posts are. Also, you are also being sexist.

Originally Posted by Shrukan_Caelestis

You just said you hate women. You're being sexist because they are women.

And yes you did indeed offend me because you think women have special rights.

He never said that he hated women, he said he hated a certain kind of women.

Also, getting offended from the truth isn't the best way of acting.

Originally Posted by ChrisHoulihan

Thats becuase the white males as a group don't need their rights protected. There are the majority, they have all the advantages in our culture.

White men are under 25% of the population in California.

Originally Posted by Taledin

Whats with this whole women have brains men have brawn?

I know plenty of guys smarter than girls, and plenty of girls stronger than guys. Show me numbers.

Well, it is proven that women can use both sides of their brains at the same time, while men can't.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

But that still does not make it right. Before the pendulum was swung toward the masculine side, now its swung far into the feminine side. I agree women were oppressed for ages, but its also not right for men to be oppressed. A balance must be aquired. But I believe this is only a plausible idea in a utopian culture that will never exist. The racial and sexist pendulum will keep swinging in our lifetime.

I agree that psychologiclly, women should be dominant in terms of brain, as men are naturally more dominant in brawn. But this doesnt make it right to call a man stupid, or a woman weak. Many women are tough, and abuse this balance, as many men are smart, and also abuse the balance. So its not right to sterotype in terms of sexism, on any grounds.

But men are not opressed, the peddulum has not swung toward the feminine side. Look at the people in power in our society almost all men. Men are defintaly NOT the opressed ones today buddy.

Originally Posted by DarKnite92

White men are under 25% of the population in California.

And yet look at the percentage of white men in californian politics. *cough* Arnold *cough*

Originally Posted by Daphnes

Well, it is proven that women can use both sides of their brains at the same time, while men can't.

...Um, no. People use both sides of their brain all the time.

Regardless, I think it's time to lock this thread. Any good discussion is buried under a bunch of posts that do nothing but recite stereotypes and insult the other side.