Sin and Forgiveness

There is something that his been bothering me sometime. Many christians believe if you live in the path of Christ and have faith the result of your fate will be in heaven. We all know all humans are sinners and there is no escaping it even if you are devoted christian and have faith in christ, as long as you live on earth and a human you are a sinner until death and judgement.

The thing that has been bothering me is the work of sin, there is no escaping it, try to be as good as you want you will never escape the fact that you will sin. You may even sin without even knowing. Even thinking impure thoughts are sin. My point is what if you were a christian, had faith, and tried to keep a righteous life always. But one day you curse because you get angry at someone. It just slips out. And the next minute you get hit by car and die. Will that person be damned in hell or have eternal grace in heaven?

When a person sins his only way of being cleared of it by praying for forgiveness. Christian parents try to make their kids pray everynight because who knows what you did that day? You have to pray to clean your slate, to have God's grace and pray to help others.

So what if you make a slip and sin, and you don't ask for forgiveness and somehow die before you get the chance, does that mean you are destined to burn in hell for all eternity even though you were a devoted christian you whole life and recognized Christ as your lord and savior. All you prayers and good deeds would have been for nothing because of that one little slip. In that case many are destined to got hell. I remember a sermon once how very little human beings will make it to heaven, I also heard an estimated number of one thousand going to make it in heaven, and there is like what 5 billion humans on this Earth?

That sucks...

Uh, dude, I'm a human being and I don't sin.

I think it would be more fair to say... that most spiritual believers may have sinned because they are devoted to their own religions and have or may have done something that might go against what they believed in. Generalizing "all" humans under the category of one religion - Christianity - is not fair to others at all.

Rather than saying that it's a sin, I call it a mistake. Most mistakes can be forgiven if you make up for them.

Generalizing "all" humans under the category of one religion - Christianity - is not fair to others at all.

If sin as a spiritual threat truly does exist, it threatens all people equally. To exclude people from this rule would be unfair, not the other way around.

Theologically, we would go to Hell even if we never sinned personally, because we are by nature sinful. Adam's transgression was passed down through his descendants and we are still under that curse.

So what if you make a slip and sin, and you don't ask for forgiveness and somehow die before you get the chance, does that mean you are destined to burn in hell for all eternity even though you were a devoted christian you whole life and recognized Christ as your lord and savior.

I dare anyone to say that they have never done anything contrary to the laws of the Christian Bible. It just doesn't happen. Everyone has at least, at one time, disobeyed their parents. I don't buy that argument - because nobody is perfect anyway.

Originally Posted by LionHarted

If sin as a spiritual threat truly does exist, it threatens all people equally. To exclude people from this rule would be unfair, not the other way around.

By indirectly invading other people's cultural beliefs and religious beliefs in the benefits of your own religious ideals? I'll pass, thankyouverymuch.

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf

By indirectly invading other people's cultural beliefs and religious beliefs in the benefits of your own religious ideals? I'll pass, thankyouverymuch.

Or, you could directly invade my religious beliefs with secular ones. Which is what tends to happen nowadays, whether you admit it or not.

Besides, people aren't exempt from the consequences of murder laws just if they think that their committing murder is justifiable. Why should it be any different for any other law? And why can't this apply to religious views?

No one is perfect. No one. Everyone sins at least one time in their life. If someone sinned, and never asked for forgiveness from God. It isn't our judgment to decide whether or not they should go to Hell or Heaven. You will be judged by God. He decides.

God is all forgiving, and merciful. If you follow by God's laws, and His commands, and if you follow the Word of God, and if believe in God. Then you destination after life is defiantly going to be Heaven. You should always ask God for forgiveness, and repent whenever you sin, but you must try not to make that same mistake again. If a person sometimes sins, without asking for forgiveness. It's only up to God to see whether or not you should enter Heaven.

And no. I do not believe only a thousand people are going to enter Heaven...

I have a question.

To you think Jesus, being fully human and fully God, was able to sin while he was on earth, and did he?

Originally Posted by ChrisHoulihan

I have a question.

To you think Jesus, being fully human and fully God, was able to sin while he was on earth, and did he?

I know that one! *Waves hand in the air*

He wasn't born with sin like others because he was a son of the virgin mary so the sin of adam wasn't passed on to him.

Did he sin? I dunno, probably it is nearly impossible not to.

He wasn't born with sin like others because he was a son of the virgin mary so the sin of adam wasn't passed on to him.

Correct. His father was...well... the Father, sinless and perfect.

Did he sin? I dunno, probably it is nearly impossible not to.

Not for God. And since Jesus is God, he couldn't have sinned.

Some feel that a deity is sinless, even after performing actions that would be considered horrendous and despicable if done by a human being. They believe that God cannot perform a sinful act. Thus, by definition, Jesus led a sinless life.

Well god is forgiving, he will forgive everyone who asks. Also, i am not a big religous person, i do my best to try and follow the commandments and any other laws of his.

Also the thing is, if any sin would place you in hell then the majority of people will never be in Heaven. Think about it, unless you are constantly praying for forgivness, like every second, you will go to hell.

We do not know when we are going to die and god knows this because well... he knows all. But because of this and that he forgives all sins whether they are small ones or huge ones, all you got to do is ask.

but i believe if you do your best at following the laws of god and believe in him you will go to heaven.

also LionHarted, you have a point, if i murder someone why should i have any chance whatso ever to get into heaven. But God is a very forgiving and will forgive the smallest and the largest sin. he knows we are not perfect which means we will slip and go against his laws even if we dont mean to.

Also, CT- thats something i have been wondering, but i have come to the conclusion that if you follow god and do your best to follow his laws and ask for forgivness often he will forgive your future sins.

But i guess we will only find out... when well we die.

Originally Posted by Thorn

Some feel that a deity is sinless, even after performing actions that would be considered horrendous and despicable if done by a human being. They believe that God cannot perform a sinful act. Thus, by definition, Jesus led a sinless life.

Jesus was God, but He was also human and therefore shared our weaknesses. Satan wouldn't have tempted Jesus if it wasn't possible for Jesus to be tempted.

Originally Posted by CT-

My point is what if you were a christian, had faith, and tried to keep a righteous life always. But one day you curse because you get angry at someone. It just slips out. And the next minute you get hit by car and die. Will that person be damned in hell or have eternal grace in heaven?

I believe that Purgatory exists in addition to Heaven and Hell, and under those circumstances I think a person would be sent to Purgatory temporarily to be purified before entering Heaven.

You know, maybe this question is better for your minister(sp) i am sure they would give a much better response to you then any of us...

Uh, dude, I'm a human being and I don't sin.

So you've never coveted, stolen, lied, commited adultery, or killed anyone?

I believe that Purgatory exists in addition to Heaven and Hell, and under those circumstances I think a person would be sent to Purgatory temporarily to be purified before entering Heaven.

Purgatory is complete bull. Where in the bible is it mentioned? I don't mean the word, but the concept.

Originally Posted by Nictel

I know that one! *Waves hand in the air*

He wasn't born with sin like others because he was a son of the virgin mary so the sin of adam wasn't passed on to him.

Did he sin? I dunno, probably it is nearly impossible not to.

Not true, but a common misconception. The Immaculate Conception of Mary was merely something which was, 'fitting,' and not strictly necessary (and indeed, most Protestants deny the concept of the 'Immaculate Conception' and still hold tightly to Jesus not having sin).

(Otherwise, say we say that in order for someone to not have original sin, they can't be born to someone with original sin-- then Mary's parents wouldn't be allowed to have original sin either for Mary to be immaculately conceived, etc... in an endless chain.)

-Rob

Originally Posted by Wolfen

Purgatory is complete bull. Where in the bible is it mentioned? I don't mean the word, but the concept.

Please be more charitable in the future-- i.e., don't call someone else's belief bull. And I'm not just saying that because I'm Catholic. Note that your response assumes that the only valid source of a belief is from Scripture-- not necessarily a position that others hold. As for explanations of purgatory from Scripture, I've seen a few good ones. If you'd like to discuss it, I'd be glad to, assuming it doesn't stray too far from the topic.