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Old 11-24-2005, 03:35 PM
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All sins equally bad?

I said this in another forum without any references and it kind of embarrassed me:

To God, no sin is greater than the other.

Is this true ??
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Well, hard to explain. It depends on your religion. If you believe in an old form of Christianity there are sins called: The seven Deadly sins.
I think they were: Greed, Gluttony, Lust, and all the names of the other FullMA evil people.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Well, there are many sins, but some must be geater than others, since there are the "Seven Deadly Sins" even though there are more than seven. They are just not as bad. I guess you could call that greater. So, I guess that saying might not be true, in general. But like SheikahOps said, it all depends.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

I'm sorry, I forgot to say that I meant in Christianity. The seven deadly sins are not mentioned under that term in the Bible. From what I know Dante was the one who came up with this idea and he was a dramatic writer, not a prophet or anything similar.
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Hmmm... Thats a very good question. But I mean... Lets get a little more real here. Murdering someone has to have some degree higher than just stealing an Orange from the local Super Market? I mean you've taken some eles life appose to 10c lost from the Super Market...

But when it comes to God and the way he see's things, They are most likely all the same to him. As it plains him to see his children doing such things.... Its pretty hard to say.
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Old 11-24-2005, 05:53 PM
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Hmmm... Thats a very good question. But I mean... Lets get a little more real here. Murdering someone has to have some degree higher than just stealing an Orange from the local Super Market? I mean you've taken some eles life appose to 10c lost from the Super Market...
To us maybe. But we as humans have a minimal understanding of God's intentions. If someone is killed, maybe that was His purpose. Not for the victim's dependents to mourn, but for that person to 'come home'.

God wills for things to happen or He allows for things to happen.

To humans one sin might seem worse than the other, but to God one sin is as much a violation of His will as another. Trying to figure out God's will is however something an mission impossible.

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But when it comes to God and the way he see's things, They are most likely all the same to him. As it plains him to see his children doing such things.... Its pretty hard to say.
Exactly. If someone is for instance killed, God will, I pray, take care of that person who was unrightfully deprived of his life.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Well I don't believe in the Christian god, nor any god/deity unless it has been proven. But like V99 said:
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Hmmm... Thats a very good question. But I mean... Lets get a little more real here. Murdering someone has to have some degree higher than just stealing an Orange from the local Super Market? I mean you've taken some eles life appose to 10c lost from the Super Market..
You can't equal murder to stealing, or murder to lieing, or murder to hatred, even if it says in the Bible that God puts all sins as equal, it doesn't mean it's right. But I think what it meant, in the Bible, is that all sins will be judged the same way, though I'm not sure.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

What you're looking for, C, is a definition of Mortal Sin.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

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I said this in another forum without any references and it kind of embarrassed me:

To God, no sin is greater than the other.

Is this true ??
It is not true. If you read Dante's Inferno you get a great perspective of how the sins work. I am not sure if The Inferno is a great source but I would say it is pretty Darn Close. What Dante does is he has the 9 layers of hell, each one smaller, lower, and more severe. The first Circle is Limbo. People get put in Limbo when they are not baptized. The next four circles are called in continence circles. The first one (second Circle) is Lust, then Gluttony (third), Then Avarice and Prodigality (fourth), and lastly, Wrath (fifth). The next part of hell is the river Styx and then The City of Dis. The sixth circle is Heresy. Then there is Phlegethon. Next is the Seventh Circle which is Violence. It has three sections: Violence against others, self, and god. Then there is the Abyss (Geryon). The next two circles are the circles of Fraud. The Eighth Circle is Malebolge which has ten sections: Seducers and Panderers, Flatterers, Simonists, Diveners, Barrantors, Hypocrites, Thieves, False Counselers, Schismatics, and counterfeiters. The next part is the Giants Well. Then the final layer of hell, the ninth, Treachery. There are four parts to the ninth. Caina or Kin, Antenora or Country and Party, Ptolomea or Guest, and Jedecca or Benefacor. The final part of Hell is Lucifer which includes the betrayers. Cassius and Brutus (the betrayors of Caesar) and Judus Iscariot (The Betrayor of Jesus Christ). So... technically I just named all of those just to say, no... some are worse then others.

By the by... just incase none of that made any sense... just look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inferno#Inferno
It's rather interesting to read about.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Well, I'm agnostic just like Lord Ganon but I would have to say some sins are worse than others in Christianity. For insance, why would commiting Homicide be equal to running a stop sign?
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Technically, they are all the same, but one sin can lead to the next. So basicly, if you don't repent and turn from sin, you will continue sinning(not good). But there is one great sin, to reject Christ.

P.S. I'm just saying what I think, but I can look into this more.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

The way this works is that all sins are equal in God's eyes, but some have more earthly consquenses than others. For instance, stealing has some consequenses (like jail time). Depending on the value of the item, it's harsher or less harsh. But killing someone can get you either in jail for life or dead, and people would lose all respect for you. Not a good life. In Gods eyes it's the same, but it causes more long term earthly problems.

I don't think the Divine Comedy is the best reference, because Dante wrote it in exile after the church kicked him out for beliving non-catholic things. In fact, I think he metions the pope in hell. I'll check later.

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Old 11-24-2005, 10:33 PM
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Re: All sins equally bad?

Well many Christians do say all sins are equal in God's eyes, that's not entirely true. The point is, if you commit one sin, you are sinful and in danger of God's judgement.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: All sins equally bad?

A sin is a sin in God's eye. Dosen't matter how big or small./ It's the outcome that is different. There's no real scale as to which sins are worse. What really matters is that God forgives!
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Re: All sins equally bad?

I agree with that too.

And Dante is not the right place to look for definitions of sins and how grave they are, neither is Catholic interpretations. Sorry, pip. It was an interesting read nontheless.

I want to know what the Bible says.
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Re: All sins equally bad?

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I agree with that too.

And Dante is not the right place to look for definitions of sins and how grave they are, neither is Catholic interpretations. Sorry, pip. It was an interesting read nontheless.

I want to know what the Bible says.
I do agree that Dante isn't the right place to look, but I think you should reconsider the basis of what pip gave you. I do believe that if you read the link that it provides ample Scriptural support for the specific position advanced. I will post some of the various quotes, and you call tell me if you think they are ample.

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"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (1 John 5:16-17).
For instance, note Paul listing grave sins to his audience:
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