Homosexual marriges: Why not?

I've been seeing alot of this recently. Now I'm not saying that I am, because I'm not. But why make desiscions for them? Just because men like men/women like women, doesn't mean that they are stupid. Me, for example: I know a homosexual person, and he is one of the smartest people I know. Why ban then from doing what they want to? I just don't see why people do this to them. It might be odd, even sickening to some people. But they lead a life, so why restrain them?

Well I am from Massachusetts, the first state to allow gay marriage. I think it has mostly to do with religion as it goes against the Bible.

Whoops sorry, I wasn't answering your question. Why restrain them? Well, because it goes against what a lot of people believe in. I am sure if it was something you didn't agree with you wouldn't want to allow it to happen or to go on. (By the way in no mean am I trying to single you out) I am not agreeing with restraining gay marriages but, you have to look at it from someone else's perspective. Be it a very religious Catholic to an average Joe who was just brought up to hate gays and that is how he is and will ever be. Why restrain them? Because that is what some people believe in. And as most of us know, it is hard to change your outlook on something. The only reason to restrain them is because you want to. Now, that may not be a good enough answer but, it is the only one I have.

I don't know there is no reason to. I'm with god and every thing but I think it sholdn't be a sin. No one can tell you who to fall in love with. Some people just don't like people like that.

Should gay marriage be legal? I saw yes, but to a certain degree. Only in state should it be legal. What is marrige in the state but a union of two people? There is nothing sacred about that

Now in religion that is something different. Keep it out of religions that ban it. I mean if it's in the faiths holy book, it is what the faith believes.

I don't think so. Homosexuals may be smart, but it isn't natural. In the bible it says your aren't supposed to be gay. In Genisis this is what happened to a city of gay people.

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [a] his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"

18 But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, [b] please! 19 Your [c] servant has found favor in your [d] eyes, and you [e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."

21 He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar. [f] )

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land.

That's in the bible. Belive it. The next chapter is even worse. But thats another contraversialy subject. But yeah, if that was now, bye bye san-fransico. You can be smart and gay, but you can also be smart, and not gay.

~ganon not gannon

Originally Posted by XxMaJoRahxX

I think Gay marriage should be legal not only cause were all humans but because we need something new in this universe we got!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Something new, eh? How about peace and less explamation points?

I agree with Mirror, religion and state should be seperated. I would never expect gay marriage to be allowed in religions. Getting married by a Justice of the Peace is one thing but, getting married by a priest is something totally different. You can't expect people to give up their religion, what they base their whole lives and they way they live them, just because homosexuals want equal rights. I mean it would be great if they did but, it isn't going to happen.

OSGanon: And who are you to say what is natural? You might think it isn't natural and it might even say it isn't natural in the Bible, but that doesn't make you right. That is what I don't understand, if there is an all loving God why would he obliderate(sp?) his people just because they are gay. After all he created them in HIS likeness. Sorry if I am getting off topic.

Originally Posted by OldschoolGanon

I don't think so. Homosexuals may be smart, but it isn't natural. In the bible it says your aren't supposed to be gay. In Genisis this is what happened to a city of gay people.



That's in the bible. Belive it. The next chapter is even worse. But thats another contraversialy subject. But yeah, if that was now, bye bye san-fransico. You can be smart and gay, but you can also be smart, and not gay.

~ganon not gannon

then lot goes and ****s his daughters and nocks them up. Dandy right? What do you mean by it not being allowed? Do you mean in General, or just in the Christian Church? I mean you can't say that it should be banned everywhere because your god says so.

A marriage is defined as a union between a MAN and a WOMAN. It's that simple. That's why it's wrong.

Mirror it is YOUR not YOU'RE, sorry but, you used it as a main part of your post and I wanted it to be right. EDIT: Okay, you fixed it already....good eye

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage
^^ Go here Thunderware. It says that gay marriage is recognized also, in certain places. So why don't you go to Plan B of the intense argument, with big time details, that you are Trying to make. [/sarcasm]

Why not call it a civil union and make us all happy? I understand why people would be offended by homosexual marriages, mostly because of marriages association with churches and christianity in America. It would personally offend me to see a pastor unite two men in marriage under God. So why not give them plain old civil unions instead?

Here's my whole little stance on homsexual marriages.

It is up to the indvidual house of faith to decide on homosexual marriage as it is their faith after all. The state and the federal goverment shouldn't interfere with it, only the individual houses of faith should decided to hold homosexual marriages.

Originally Posted by OldschoolGanon

I don't think so. Homosexuals may be smart, but it isn't natural. In the bible it says your aren't supposed to be gay. In Genisis this is what happened to a city of gay people.



That's in the bible. Belive it. The next chapter is even worse. But thats another contraversialy subject. But yeah, if that was now, bye bye san-fransico. You can be smart and gay, but you can also be smart, and not gay.

~ganon not gannon

If you ask me, it seems that Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because of the evil that was running rampant through the land, not necessarily the homosexuality. Those men were going to rape the other two men, it's not like they were going to have consensual sex. Rape is obviously an evil thing. It's because of things like this that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Also, homosexuality - to some degree - occurs in other species of animals other than humans. It's not a conscious choice to be homosexual. More often than not, homosexuals are born that way. The only other reason I can think of homosexuality occurring is as a result of significant trauma, such as a woman who is a lesbian because she was raped or molested by a man when she was much younger, or a man who hates women because of an abusive mother, or something like that. Otherwise, it's likely a hormone imbalance or something that occurred during the development of the fetus. Maybe it's even in the genes, since in the past, those who were homosexual would most likely have had to have heterosexual relations and procreate or face execution.

With it being said that homosexuality isn't a conscious choice and is simply how some people are, I think that homosexuals should have the right to marry. If a religion wants to ban it, that's one thing; but the state should recognize the unions of these people.

I'm pro choice, I don't care who people chose to love and marry, it's none of my business. If it is what they want, then let them enjoy happiness. Keep religion out of it, because we all know that religion says it's wrong, but if so, does that not mean that God created beings for the purpose of sin? No, sins are about choices and that's something that gays and lesbians don't have.

I'm sick of people like Bush trying to ban things like this, what does he know about it anyway?

Here are some personal reasons why I believe homosexual marriage is just friggin' WRONG!

1: It's just plain NASTY
2: It is very IMORAL
3: It's UNHEALTHY in every catigory known to God
4: It's a desturbance of Nature's balance between Male and Female
5: It's a SIN! (My PERSONAL beliefs, remember?)

Now, for my more logical reasons why I believe homosexual marriage is just plain wrong:

1: It is not natural. As beings of higher ranking, we we where designed to be attracted to our opposite gender.
2: It is not healthy. Many people get HIV/AIDS from homosexual marriage.
3: It is not right, no matter what your beliefs may be (excluding Satanism)
4: It is devistation to the continuation of our species. You all know that it takes a man and a woman to produce life, right? Well, a man and a man/woman and a woman can't possibly produce life, and if more and more and more people become homosexual, than the population will drop at alarming rates, and what if something happened that cut the population in half (say, a meteor, or the Coldera eruption, or another Ice Age) in the future? If there are more gays in the future, there is a lesser chance of our survival. How I came up with all of this, I have know idea.


But if someone wants to be considered a weird sicko all their life by being gay, that's fine with me, for that is there problem and not mine; I'm perfectly straight, like a ruler.

Originally Posted by Konpaku

4: It is devistation to the continuation of our species. You all know that it takes a man and a woman to produce life, right? Well, a man and a man/woman and a woman can't possibly produce life, and if more and more and more people become homosexual, than the population will drop at alarming rates, and what if something happened that cut the population in half (say, a meteor, or the Coldera eruption, or another Ice Age) in the future? If there are more gays in the future, there is a lesser chance of our survival. How I came up with all of this, I have know idea.


But if someone wants to be considered a weird sicko all their life by being gay, that's fine with me, for that is there problem and not mine; I'm perfectly straight, like a ruler.

Well I found just about the entire post idiotic but, the last part was the most idiotic. The population decreases, great. We are already increasing population to fast we could use some decreasing. A meteor, I mean come on what the heck are you talking about. I wish I had an idea of how you came up with this.

1: It is not natural. As beings of higher ranking, we we where designed to be attracted to our opposite gender.

Once again, how do you decide what is natural. You are saying that it is wrong to be gay. Gays are God's creations so therefore you are insulting God, oh loop hole. Once again, God created us in his IMAGE, supposedly. So what if he was gay? Would you look down upon straight people?

2: It is not healthy. Many people get HIV/AIDS from homosexual marriage.

Many people get diseases from having straight sex too. It isn't marriage that does it, it is the sex that does. And it isn't like you automatically have AIDs just because you are gay, you have to get them from somewhere else. Don't blame the gays for AIDS blame people either not having protective sex or maybe by some stroke of misfortune the condom broke.

3: It is not right, no matter what your beliefs may be (excluding Satanism)

Well my beliefs are that God doesn't exist so it doesn't go against me. Oh wait your Christian. You should love everyone the same, yet here you are basically saying you hate homosexuals. You think they will lead to the desruction of civilization as we know it.

1: It's just plain NASTY
2: It is very IMORAL
3: It's UNHEALTHY in every catigory known to God
4: It's a desturbance of Nature's balance between Male and Female
5: It's a SIN! (My PERSONAL beliefs, remember?)

You know what I find NASTY, your views. Why is gay sex Nasty, just because it isn't the way you have been grown to think about sex?

IMMORAL? Why would it be immoral? Just because it goes against your views and the views of the people in your religion. You know that there are pleny of people that aren't Christian, I doubt they all find it immoral.

UNHEALTHY. What categories? That you should be married and not gay? Well you can be married and gay now you know. So I guess if all the gays get married but, aren't gay anymore it's ok. Great, now that I know that I will just get all the homosexuals to become straight.

NATURE'S BALANCE. It isn't disturbing anything. It would be disturbing the balance if all the homosexuals went out and killed the straight people. THen there wouldn't be any way to produce, that would be an imbalance. A couple thousand or millions of homosexuals aren't going to disrupt well over several billion straight people.

IT'S A SIN. You know what else is a sin. Treating people like they aren't as good as you. You are putting people down. I am pretty sure that even though it isn't written down that you souldn't be mean to people, I think that if there is a God he wouldn't want you to frown upon his creations.

Originally Posted by OldschoolGanon

I don't think so. Homosexuals may be smart, but it isn't natural. In the bible it says your aren't supposed to be gay. In Genisis this is what happened to a city of gay people.



That's in the bible. Belive it. The next chapter is even worse. But thats another contraversialy subject. But yeah, if that was now, bye bye san-fransico. You can be smart and gay, but you can also be smart, and not gay.

~ganon not gannon

The Bible cannot be used as a source when arguing on topics that don't involve it. The laws of our state should not be swayed by a religious document.

Originally Posted by Konpaku

Here are some personal reasons why I believe homosexual marriage is just friggin' WRONG!

1: It's just plain NASTY
2: It is very IMORAL
3: It's UNHEALTHY in every catigory known to God
4: It's a desturbance of Nature's balance between Male and Female
5: It's a SIN! (My PERSONAL beliefs, remember?)

Now, for my more logical reasons why I believe homosexual marriage is just plain wrong:

1: It is not natural. As beings of higher ranking, we we where designed to be attracted to our opposite gender.
2: It is not healthy. Many people get HIV/AIDS from homosexual marriage.
3: It is not right, no matter what your beliefs may be (excluding Satanism)
4: It is devistation to the continuation of our species. You all know that it takes a man and a woman to produce life, right? Well, a man and a man/woman and a woman can't possibly produce life, and if more and more and more people become homosexual, than the population will drop at alarming rates, and what if something happened that cut the population in half (say, a meteor, or the Coldera eruption, or another Ice Age) in the future? If there are more gays in the future, there is a lesser chance of our survival. How I came up with all of this, I have know idea.


But if someone wants to be considered a weird sicko all their life by being gay, that's fine with me, for that is there problem and not mine; I'm perfectly straight, like a ruler.

I'll just confront your logical points, since your personal ones are too skewed to even start in on. Also, as they are based on religion, I'm not going to argue with you on Christian symantics.

1. Natural is defined as something that is occurrent in nature. Surely you can agree that creatures are things of nature? Since homosexuality is occurre