Homosexuality and Religion

I've been meaning to post a thread like this for weeks. I'm pretty confused and, well here goes.

I've been attending church since like forever. I've liked girls since i was a little kid (trust me, i was a big flirt). I even liked my step cousin when i was like 4 years old. I've had so many relationships with girls and i've always enjoyed going out with them on dates and stuff, being in serious relationships and all. Then, 2 years ago (summer), i meet this girl in my 8th grade graduation dance. She's a bit thick but my friends just tell me go dance with her. So i do. We get to know each other and we hit it off. I give her my phone number and she gives me her number.

I didn't think she'd call, but she did. Pretty quick too. I'd just arrived from the dance and she was calling me. Well Fast forward.

We start goin out and stuff and she messed me up inside. She wanted to have sex and i was scared. I'm telling you, i've been going to church like forever! She kept on saying i'm on the pill and i can use a patch and you can use a condom. I said no. I tried breaking up with her but she'd cry. Until one day i just,... stop seeing her. She'd stirred up a lot of feelings i'd never felt before. When I'd go over her house, I used to do stuff, but not sexual intercourse. It felt wrong.

After that experience, I promised myself I wouldn't date anyone for a while. I started feeling, weird. I started to notice more people. I noticed guys.


If you skipped the story, here's the point:

I was raised to believe that if you call yourself Bisexual, you're lying to yourself and your either lesbian or gay. I like boys and girls. I grew up liking girls.

Can people be made Gay?

Made gay...well I suppose it is possible, but that is usually not the case. If you are gay, or bi for that matter, that is who you are. As much as you may try to bury it inside yourself you can't help but think about what you really are. I don't really understand why this topic is titled "Homosexuality and Religion" when it is more focussed on being bisexual and having a realtionship where you did not want to have sex.

I assume that you are bringing religion into this because your religion looks down on homosexuality, correct? Sad really. If this is the case, do not sacrifice your religion that you strongly believe in just because you are finding out that you are bisexual. Also do not sacrifice your feelings inside for your religion. You can have both, no matter what anyone says. To be honest, I doubt God cares one bit if someone is gay or bi or whatever. If you believe in your religion, and you stick to it there should be no questioning on either spectrum. Homosexuality or Religion.

I dont think you can be "made gay" i think its hormonal. I do beleive you can like boys and girls though. And though i beleive you fully, do you think maybe your attracted or beleive your attracted to men because you had a bad women expirience that just kinda shook you up and needed something different? Do you think it could be an expirement? or our your sure? im just wondering.

Originally Posted by Oracleofages

I dont think you can be "made gay" i think its hormonal. I do beleive you can like boys and girls though. And though i beleive you fully, do you think maybe your attracted or beleive your attracted to men because you had a bad women expirience that just kinda shook you up and needed something different? Do you think it could be an expirement? or our your sure? im just wondering.

Yeah, I am going with the Oracle. Maybe it is just because you had a bad experience with that girl. But, if it isn't do what Sizzlin said, don't sacrifice your religion nor your feelings you can have both. I don't believe in God or any higher power but, like Sizzlin said, I doubt he cares. I am sure he loves everyone the same.

No oracle, i wish it was an experiment. It's been very hard and difficult. My father is super religious (Christian) and he's mentioned quite a few times how much he'd hated if i turned out to be gay. I... i'm so confused. People in school say i'm metrosexual. People notice things, A lot of things. In school, it's so hard. I'm the guy every girl wants to be with, and yeah, i want to be with them too, but then i see guys, and they see me as one of them! Then there's this one gay guy in school. I think he knows i'm gay. I don't know how, but he's been following me recently. I am totally confused. All I know is, i can't embrace homosexuality at all, my father would reject me. I know my mother far too well for her to ever throw me out, but my father is the man of the house. We're hispanic. I don't know if that means anything to anyone who isn't hispanic, but it means a whole lot! If we shave our arms or legs, we're considered gay! I can't even join the swim team because of that! There's so much stuff i just can't handle...

I'd like to say also that im really proud of you for making this post. And like goron i dont really beleive in much of a God but if there is one i doubt his views on sexuality are extreme like the church wants you to beleive.

it's hard to say, since we're not exactly sure what homosexuality comes from. most scientistis believe it's from a genetic predisposition, which means it's partly genetic and partly environmental. of course, we don't know which environmental effects cause homosexuality, so I don't know how we'd "convert" them. either way, I see no reason to convert them. but I do know that homosexuality is NOT a choice. if it were, I would have been bi a long time ago.

I highly doubt a person is made gay. Many homosexuals are harassed by the general public. Why would anyone personally want to endure that? I don't think anyone would or even COULD choose to be gay. Ask yourself: did you ever wake up one morning and decide you wanted to like guys? It's hormones, not a choice. However, some bisexuals can be so pissed off with the opposite sex that they do choose to turn gay, but that rarely happens, or so I'm told.

I'm a firm believer in God. But, we need to remember that the Bible was written by man. Not God, man. And man states that the Bible is what God tells us we should do. Who is to say that God really didn't accept homosexuality or that you can't be bisexual? The Bible has been re-written for over 2000 years.

If you believe you are bisexual, then you are. There is such a thing as one. And, for your convenience, you are perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

it's hard to say, since we're not exactly sure what homosexuality comes from. most scientistis believe it's from a genetic predisposition, which means it's partly genetic and partly environmental. of course, we don't know which environmental effects cause homosexuality, so I don't know how we'd "convert" them. either way, I see no reason to convert them. but I do know that homosexuality is NOT a choice. if it were, I would have been bi a long time ago.

You are quite right, Mad Hatter. I had a class last semaster, Adolescent development, and my professor was explaining the homosexuall situation. Hormones can play a role, and for enviromental factors, he put it like this:

When a young male hangs out with females a lot, as they grow up, they will like males more because they spent all their childhood with females. I suppose the opposite works for females too, but he didn't talk about it.

Anyways, if you think you are bi, then perhaps you are. I am not religious, but I don't think God would care if you are homosexual or not.

books say that there is no such thing as a "straight" person. all men and women somewhere in there life found a strange atraction to the same sex. there is a gay animal in every species on earth land and water me ive been bi since i was litlle most of my friends are gay and lesbian. my dad though not really religious does not like gay things so im really afraid of telling him. but u should do it when ever you are ready. god whants us all to be happy so the bible says. if u dont whant ur dad to suspect a thing just dont talk to him a much as you. do u find this guy that has been fallowing you . if u enbrace ur sexuality and go for it

my guess is that ju just haven't noticed your bisexuality until now, I don't think it's something you become, I think it's something you just are.

People are way - way - too hung up on identity politics. 'Gay' - 'str8' - 'bi' - are just labels. Labels are used as a convenient tool of dismissal, so people (in general) don't have to think too hard about people (specific), and can align themselves with one group in opposition to all the others.

In your teens, you are trying to figure out 'who' you are. But even if you kinda dig dudes, and kinda dig chicks - is that all you dig? Is that all you do? I'm sure you are many things - Hispanic, for one. A Teen, a Guy, a Gamer, a Jock, an Artist, a Fan - how many hyphens do we need until we get to the real you?

North America has a psychosis when it comes to sex. We're obessessed with - and terrified of - sexual pleasure. Not individually, but as a society. Janet Jackson's Boob almost brought down Western Civilization - at least, that's what CNN, politicians, hysterical critics and sports fans would have me believe. 50% of people have boobs, and the other fifty is well aware of them, so why the freak out? Because we're ****ed up about anything to do with sex, especially if it falls outside of the norm. Take, for instance, the seminal film "American Pie." Dirty, dirty film, all about boys trying to get laid - so many boobs. And the film was rated PG 13. Young boys are allowed to oogle and objectify women when they're paying for it - but if they see it for half a second free on TV - pull out the holy-****-handles and hang on, 'cause the end of the world is ****ing nigh.

I believe there are two 'versions' of God - the one in your heart (the one that IS your heart), and the one that any given religion will put on an alter and point at and say, "If you don't do what I tell you, you'll make Him mad." I know which one I want to be square with at the end of my life.

Human sexuality is too complicated to pin down in terms. Bisexuality is more honest that 'gay' or 'straight' - and this is coming from a queer.

Originally Posted by Fianna

You are quite right, Mad Hatter. I had a class last semaster, Adolescent development, and my professor was explaining the homosexuall situation. Hormones can play a role, and for enviromental factors, he put it like this:

When a young male hangs out with females a lot, as they grow up, they will like males more because they spent all their childhood with females. I suppose the opposite works for females too, but he didn't talk about it.

Anyways, if you think you are bi, then perhaps you are. I am not religious, but I don't think God would care if you are homosexual or not.

Exactly. I totally agree. Some people at my high school think that it really truly matters if you are homosexual or not. They think that, and I'm quoting, "God doesn't approve of, or love homosexuals. Now, this shouldn't even be an argument term in the first place. For one thing, it goes against the entire religion. God can't disapprove of his own creations, he loves everybody. And if somebody is going to come at me with a loophole like "what about Satan?" I'm not even going to answer it. Also, everybody I argue at with this always, at some point, brings up the fact that it's in the Bible. True. But the Bible was written in God's image by God's followers, not by God himself. The people who wrote the Bible may have been the most devoted people to God, but the strike on homosexuality in there was written by them... not the Holy Lord. As I've said before, it goes against the religion. It isn't possible, it shouldn't be an argument term. *Waggles finger disapprovingly at people at school who argued it*

And Pipking, I agree with your signature. Just had to add that.

Luigi, I feel for you. Although I am not a boy, I am a girl and at that, a tomboy. So I've always liked to hang around boys. And then when I reached 13, I relized I needed some 'girl time.' Girls are rather emotional, and I am particularly moody because I'm an artist. (basic rule for artists. )
So I needed some people to talk to and such. So I started to hang around girls and stated to notice things. But ever since 13, it passed. We all feel a need to be with our own sex once in a while. Don't worry. I am a beliver in the Lord, so I curse myself for every liking girls. Don't worry. Just Live your life.

Originally Posted by TeleIce

I am a beliver in the Lord, so I curse myself for every liking girls.

I don't get what you mean, would you mind explaining?

Your young and confused. In another year or sooner youll find your sexual identity whether its gay or straight. If you do turn out gay, and are trully religious, then just abstain from sex. The bible only condems sexual intercourse with men, not being gay. Eventually you will have to talk to your father. Telling him you are gay will make him angry and sad for around a week or so...then he will begin talking to you about it and coping with it. As long as you promis to abstain from homosexual intercourse and dont go around acting super effeminate, he will still remain proud of you. I might be telling you everything you shouldnt hear, so dont take my suggestions as the ultimate truth.

plenty of people are bi for their entire post-pubescent life. (well, it's impossible to say if they'll be bi up until death, cause the ones I know are still alive). sexual orientation is not black and white.

also, whether homosexuality is wrong according to the bible depends on your interpretation of it. but if you believe the bible does condemn any sort of sex that's not meant for reproduction, then of course gay sex is a sin. but of course, not all denominations see it this way, so it depends how you see it.