Abortion

There's no abortion topic? Wow. I am surprised. I must have missed something, or came back to these forums just as the Serious discussion section was re-instated. Anyways, one of the most heated debate topics of all time: Abortion, Yay or nay? My argument:

Fetuses are alive. They may not be mentally stable yet, but they are alive. Then again, no one is mentally stable for a few months. Fetuses eat in the womb, they produce waste. They are living inside the womb. They can die inside the womb, so they have to be living before they die, am I not correct?

I do agree with the rape concept. If a girl is raped, there is no reason that she should have to keep the child. This is the only situation that I would support abortion. But if they just decide to have unprotected sex, then they should have the baby and deal with the consequences of their actions, not run away from their problems. They don't have to keep it, there are adoption clinics, and family to help out.

Adoption clinics do thourough background checks, with references from many different people. They don't just hand out babies like its portrayed on TV. I know four adopted kids. One family each. House hopping is not something that goes on on a regular basis. They find a good family for the child.

In a worst case scenario, if you had the choice, would you rather die, or stay at an adoption agency waiting to get adopted? If you say you'd rather die, you wouldn't be reading this right now.

In my opinion the only time abortion should even be considered, is if the unborn baby has a severe illness which will make the childs life a hell. Otherwise, no. If you can't support the child, put it up for adoption.

You mean mental illness, right? Because if a kid had aids, they could still live a decent life. But with a mental illness I believe that they aren't allowed to kill the fetus, if it will live.

No. I mean any illness which will cause the person to suffer. You see people on the news who ask to be killed as they can't bear living any more, if a fetus is diagnosed with an illness of that sort I believe they should be 'allowed' to be aborted.

I'm against abortion, but for killing babies.

Originally Posted by Gecko

I'm against abortion, but for killing babies.

What do you mean by that?

Originally Posted by KaeporaTheGreat

I do agree with the rape concept. If a girl is raped, there is no reason that she should have to keep the child. This is the only situation that I would support abortion..

why, is a rape-child less "alive" in your eyes?
is it worth less?

Originally Posted by KaeporaTheGreat

But if they just decide to have unprotected sex, then they should have the baby and deal with the consequences of their actions, not run away from their problems. They don't have to keep it, there are adoption clinics, and family to help out..

so they should be forced to go through unwanted pregnancys as a punishment?

How about those of us who used protection, but still got pregnant, should we be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy too?

I'm pro-choice. If I were pregnant right now, I'd get an abortion. Why? Because I simply don't have the money to support a child. I quit school to work two jobs so I could pay off bills; I not only pay my own bills, but my mom is sick and isn't working so I have to take care of her, too. What makes anyone think I could support another person? My boyfriend doesn't even have a job right now. It's like I either have the baby and give it a crappy and difficult life off the bat or I get an abortion and wait until a better time when I can actually do it, so my child doesn't have to suffer.

Would you want to be born into a bad situation? No. And to say that it's cruel, yeah it is... but do you think whoever is contemplating abortion isn't guilty about wanting to do it? If they aren't, they don't deserve a child anyway. They probably leave it on the street to get eaten alive by coyotes.

Adoption isn't always pretty... it's a very, very looong process and you'd be lucky if you were adopted ASAP. If you don't get adopted right away, they'll send you all over to foster homes and those aren't always great. I guess that is just as bad as being born into a ****ty family... so there wouldn't be a difference.

I'm still pro-choice though.

My thoughts:

Reasons to get an abortion:

-you were raped, and you have it done RIGHT AWAY
-you find out that your child has a sever desease, or mental illness that would have them lead a very hard and painful life... ((also done RIGHT AWAY))

Reasons not to:

-your too young ((oh well you blew it... don't kill because of your mistake))
-you don't feel like having a kid ((again... you made a choice... don't kill because of it))


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-Hells_Angel

Originally Posted by Hells_Angel

My thoughts:

Reasons to get an abortion:

-you were raped, and you have it done RIGHT AWAY
-you find out that your child has a sever desease, or mental illness that would have them lead a very hard and painful life... ((also done RIGHT AWAY))

Reasons not to:

-your too young ((oh well you blew it... don't kill because of your mistake))
-you don't feel like having a kid ((again... you made a choice... don't kill because of it))


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-Hells_Angel

well, this is really a question on how you define life.
I don't consider early-developed embryos to be alive, hence i don't consider abortion in the early stages of pregnancy to be killing anything.


...haha, so to you, it's okay to kill what you consider living beings, as long as they suffer from mental ilness?
hello mengele.

@UneBelleLilas
I'm not contradicting you, you're entitled to your opinion as anyone else, but I just want to ask anyway. Don't you feel it's wrong to take someones life just for your benefit? You could always just put the child up for adoption, sure it might not have the best childhood but one day it will grow up and will be happy.

...haha, so to you, it's okay to kill what you consider living beings, as long as they suffer from mental ilness?
hello mengele.

Many people suffer from illnesses and wish that they could be killed to end their pain. If an unborn child is diagnosed with an illness like this I think it's only right to put them out of their pain before they suffer.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

well, this is really a question on how you define life.
I don't consider early-developed embryos to be alive, hence i don't consider abortion in the early stages of pregnancy to be killing anything.


...haha, so to you, it's okay to kill what you consider living beings, as long as they suffer from mental ilness?
hello mengele.

No.... I don't .... In some diseases you can tell if your child is going to have a mental illness before it's "alive" I think that everyone should do background checks on the history of certain diseases, in their family's history, before they even consider having a child.... Please don't think that I think it's ok for a person to kill a living being... I don't....

Originally Posted by T-Nemesis

@UneBelleLilas
I'm not contradicting you, you're entitled to your opinion as anyone else, but I just want to ask anyway. Don't you feel it's wrong to take someones life just for your benefit? You could always just put the child up for adoption, sure it might not have the best childhood but one day it will grow up and will be happy.

No, because I don't think I'm the only one who benefits. I think my life is unfit for a child right now, so I'm not going to let it suffer because of my "selfless-ness". I hated growing up being poor and having a troubled family, so why would I put my own child in that situation?

I would never put it up for adoption because I'd abort. Simple as that. Like Snap, I don't consider early-embryos to be alive and that would be the only time I'd do it. But if push comes to shove and I did happen to have the child, I'd put it up for adoption.

Well, in the case of a dumb 15 year old that has un-protected sex, and gets pregnant. I'd say that having an abortion would save that child from being raised by an immature parent. The child will suffer in the long run, as will the teenage mother.

Hmmm... Be raised poorly, be dead. Be raised poorly, be dead. Such a hard choice.

Originally posted by UneBelleLilas
Like Snap, I don't consider early-embryos to be alive and that would be the only time I'd do it.

Well, you have to get that abortion pretty damn early, and find out you're pregnant also, which most of the time, isn't the case. A baby is said to get a heart beat at 5-8 days. Heart beat= living. Before hand, it's a free-for-all in my eyes. Technically it isn't alive, but in a sense, it kinda is.

I for one am against abortion. I don't like the idea of killing a fetus, considering that it's alive. In my eyes, it's not fair to steal something's chance at life because you got pregnant from having sex. Because you went into a situation knowing the risk, and got the short-straw. Rape's another story, one I have yet to draw a conclusion on.

I always feel like you should put yourself in both positions. Yes, as the pregnant woman, you probably won't want to be hindered by pregnancy, and I think it's safe to say that you don't wanna go through labor unless you truly love the child. But, put yourself in the baby's position, as well. The ways that they kill the fetus aren't the nicest of things to endure...

Ok. When the sperm cell fertilizes the egg cell in a women, life has been created. Abortionist say that when the baby is still inside the womb its not alive. Thats wrong. A thing must be living to grow. Spontaneous generation doesn't happen. Never have never will (Its been proven).

Guys, before you go around calling people who get/perform abortion murderers, think about it.

Do you think an expectant mother can decide to have abortion so easily? It's an extremely difficult decision and painful to the mother more so than you could imagine. Think about what the woman going through in making this decision. It's a personal issue that should be handled by a doctor and patient, and never should be put in the hands of the law. If a woman is willing to go through abortion, she has a dam* good reason, because it's not easy. So leave those who go through abortion alone and let them make their own choices with their life. It's no one's place to decide if its right or wrong.