Sexism against men

Many people believe that sexism can only be inflicted against women, just as some believe racism is only against blacks. This is of course not true, but I'm not here to debate that. I'm here to debate why there is sexism against men, and how long will it take before there is true sexual equality?

For example, today, my mum asked me to do the gardening and clear out the shed. I have no problem with doing chores, but most of the stuff in the shed is twice my own bodyweight, so I suggested that she should do it, since she is twice my height and probably has a much greater strength, to which my mother told me that I should do it "because I'm a man/boy."

In my opinion, this is almost as bad as saying women belong in the kitchen. Men belonging in the garden? WTF?

Further examples: my mother expects gifts off her boyfriend, such as flowers, as well as rides home, etc. In return, she does nothing, even though she can drive herself. She tells me this is because "men are expected to do these gestures for women". This is such an ancient view and it should have been changed at the same time woman decided they should be allowed in pubs too.

Any other examples are welcome, but let's not make this a discussion over who did the gardening. (Because none of us did it)

Don't forget that men are normally expected to pay EVERYTHING in the house even if they do not use somethings.

Sexism most certainly goes both ways, such as what you seem to be getting at which is that society expects men to be masculine - big, strong, not showing weakness, etc., however the sexism that happens against women are in my opinion much more severe. Victim-blaming in cases of rape, rampant misogyny around every corner, being paid less at the same job, and so on and so forth.

Mostly anyone who believes in equal rights does acknowledge sexism against men, but as men are much more privileged in society, there aren't as many issues they face compared to women.

I believe sexism against men is one of the most ignored problems today. In my opinion, many refuse to acknowledge sexism against men because of a few reasons:

1) Men are by nature physically stronger then women and can defend themselves with greater ease. This does not account for date rape drugs and man-on-man rape. I have literally seen more than a half-dozen Yahoo! Answer pages where a 14 to 24 year old male will talk about being raped and people (mostly women from my own experience) will tell him to "man up" and that he should have "enjoyed it" because he was a man.

2) Men are the cause of sexism against women, therefore should be given no quarter. This refuses the newer generations of men, who are more accepting of these social issues, the proper treatment they should get if ever on the receiving end of sexism.

I believe that deep down, some members here are sexist when it concerns men. In the "gaming endorses sexism against women" thread, I saw that a few members are unfairly biased towards women and will deny anything remotely similar to sexism if it involves men, instead choosing to rebrand it as "male empowerment fantasies". Indeed, sexism against men seems to be a well-hidden attribute that some people have but rarely show.

Originally Posted by Gamzee

however the sexism that happens against women are in my opinion much more severe. Victim-blaming in cases of rape, rampant misogyny around every corner, being paid less at the same job, and so on and so forth.

But these issued are addressed by society, even in government, so they are quickly resolved. Men's issues are laughed at by women.

Women are still paid less than men and there is still misogyny in many areas of the United States. That's 200 years and counting. Wouldn't really call it quickly resolved. Would you?

I don't think women try to be sexist against men, we see guys as another human being.


Now I am a wee bit guiltey of men sexism even though I don't entirley belive in it when I'm with my girlfriends,

A guy looks over at me and my bros i mean lady bros and atleast one of us will say, "He was looking at my boobs."

or

"You know how easy it would me to get him in to bed with you? Look at that, he's just imagining you naked right now! giggle giggle"

But we are anything, but literal.


Now on to what Ningan the Lone Ninja said...

my mother expects gifts off her boyfriend, such as flowers, as well as rides home, etc. In return, she does nothing, even though she can drive herself. She tells me this is because "men are expected to do these gestures for women". This is such an ancient view and it should have been changed at the same time woman decided they should be allowed in pubs too.

This is what you call courting, my Dear Sir. If you don't shower a girl with gifts she'll try to find someone else. We figure our presence is a gift within it's self.
And really what do you get a guy?
Me: "Look, I bought you some Victoria Secret's lotion!"
BF: "Can I rub it all over you?"
Me: "No, rub it all over yourself."

Originally Posted by Princess Deity

Now on to what Ningan the Lone Ninja said...

This is what you call courting, my Dear Sir. If you don't shower a girl with gifts she'll try to find someone else. We figure our presence is a gift within it's self.
And really what do you get a guy?
Me: "Look, I bought you some Victoria Secret's lotion!"
BF: "Can I rub it all over you?"
Me: "No, rub it all over yourself."

I do understand what courting is, but why should it apply when you're already in a relationship? And why does it only apply to men?

(As for what to buy men, we love food and alcohol. Take us to a restaurant with an all-you-can-eat buffet and a bottle of something, and you're done)

Even if you're in a relationship courting is still a must,
Have you ever wondered why women cheat?
There are two reasons, and it's probably a combo-
1- she wants better sex
2- she wants to be showered with lotions, rings, money, clothes, perfumes, ect.

So women cheat not because they aren't emotionally satisfied, but because they are not physically satisfied or their boyfriend isn't materialistic enough. Maybe I should stick to my hand.

The way I see it, people will assume stereotypes of men and women regardless. Sometimes they don't need a reason.

We're all just a bunch of ♥♥♥♥holes, really.

And I prefer to garden more than lifting things.

Emotion is also a big part of it, but most ladies will see men don't satisify anything emotional and will be turned to the thought of men are only physical creatures.

Originally Posted by Princess Deity

Even if you're in a relationship courting is still a must,
Have you ever wondered why women cheat?
There are two reasons, and it's probably a combo-
1- she wants better sex
2- she wants to be showered with lotions, rings, money, clothes, perfumes, ect.

Originally Posted by King

So women cheat not because they aren't emotionally satisfied, but because they are not physically satisfied or their boyfriend isn't materialistic enough. Maybe I should stick to my hand.

Yeah, King is right. Why do women need material goods to be satisfied in a relationship?

Originally Posted by Princess Deity

Even if you're in a relationship courting is still a must,
Have you ever wondered why women cheat?
There are two reasons, and it's probably a combo-
1- she wants better sex
2- she wants to be showered with lotions, rings, money, clothes, perfumes, ect.

Aaaaaand in both instances you should just walk.

Originally Posted by Princess Deity

Even if you're in a relationship courting is still a must,
Have you ever wondered why women cheat?
There are two reasons, and it's probably a combo-
1- she wants better sex
2- she wants to be showered with lotions, rings, money, clothes, perfumes, ect.

Let's say the tables were turned here. That a man cheated because he wanted better sex, or because he wanted to be showered with pricey gifts. Would that be as acceptable to you as a woman cheating for those reasons? Because if its okay for women to do that, it'd be downright sexist not to give men that same (albeit disgusting) freedom!



I think most people don't realize that sexism, like racism, is a two way street. I've seen people be discriminated against for being white, and I've most certainly seen people be discriminated against for being male. It may not be as common, but it still happens

I often see the "males are dumb" or "dumb husband/father" stereotype in a lot of commercials that air on television these days. On the surface, you'd think that it's just marketing and it's just a commercial for some product. But actually, in enforces all kinds of sexist stereotypes - such as men not being able properly handle their children when left alone, or men are completely inadequate when it comes cooking, cleaning, or what have you (any sort of established feminine activity). Hell, more often than not, it seems like the "father is a complete imbecile without mom around" is one of the most enforced sexist stereotypes in children's television today.

Sexism against men is happening all the time, but quite a number people fail to acknowledge it.

"Well, women have it worse."

So we should ignore the pleas of everyone except for those who cry the loudest?

@ Xeno- Well, it could be that most men don't admit it because well...chalk it to the "macho men of manliness". Men probably don't want to come across as weak to their drinking buddies if they reveal that they're being pushed around by a woman.

But yes, it is odd. It's expected that a woman would say she's being pushed around, and that we'd react accordingly to help her. But when a man does it? WEAK! PUNY! LAME!

It's just easier to demonize the men because, historically, the men have been putting the women down and treating her like some low level servant trash.

But yes, hate goes both ways. That's why its so hard to let go of it.

Originally Posted by Xeno

I often see the "males are dumb" or "dumb husband/father" stereotype in a lot of commercials that air on television these days. On the surface, you'd think that it's just marketing and it's just a commercial for some product. But actually, in enforces all kinds of sexist stereotypes - such as men not being able properly handle their children when left alone, or men are completely inadequate when it comes cooking, cleaning, or what have you (any sort of established feminine activity). Hell, more often than not it seems like the "father is a complete imbecile without mom around" is one of the most enforced sexist stereotypes in children's television today.

YES!!! Advertising is pretty disgusting towards men. Here's some examples:



Then there's this turd stereotype:

And have you seen the ads about balding? Implying that you're not a man if your scalp is showing? That your woman won't want you?

I've seen both that and the dumb/useless husband ads. In way, that second ad should be just as offensive to women, because that's telling them they should just accept that their man will never be able to act competent around the house, that they should just sign on to the rest of that man's life of being his second, surrogant mommy always cleaning up after him because he can't do it himself.

It'd be nice if this whole thread isn't people rallying against strawmen.

Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

Many people believe that sexism can only be inflicted against women,

Who says this? Who has ever said this?

just as some believe racism is only against blacks. This is of course not true, but I'm not here to debate that. I'm here to debate why there is sexism against men, and how long will it take before there is true sexual equality?

For example, today, my mum asked me to do the gardening and clear out the shed. I have no problem with doing chores, but most of the stuff in the shed is twice my own bodyweight, so I suggested that she should do it, since she is twice my height and probably has a much greater strength, to which my mother told me that I should do it "because I'm a man/boy."

Debatable example, since men do have more upper-body strength than women. 'Course, I don't know how strong your mom is or you are, so can't really say.

Originally Posted by King

I believe sexism against men is one of the most ignored problems today.

Nonsense. Is it a problem? Sure. But it gets talked about all the time.

I believe that deep down, some members here are sexist when it concerns men. In the "gaming endorses sexism against women" thread, I saw that a few members are unfairly biased towards women and will deny anything remotely similar to sexism if it involves men, instead choosing to rebrand it as "male empowerment fantasies". Indeed, sexism against men seems to be a well-hidden attribute that some people have but rarely show.

If you can't see the difference between a power fantasy and a derogatory stereotype you really need to do some more looking.

Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

Well that's because Americans are stupid backwards. Here in the UK, we have resolved these issues.

The UK still has wage inequality and far more men in positions of power than women.




Now: Of course sexism against men exists. It's a problem and should no more be tolerated than sexism against women. However, in general, it's significantly less harmful than sexism against women but receives far more attention, which is somewhat troublesome.

It's not helped that, as some posts in this thread show, arguing for gender equality is seen as sexist against men.