Taking Christ out of Christmas

What's your stance on this? Personally I don't care, since from what I heard the holidays like Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays that were hijacked by Christians/Catholics in order to help convert followers. So by taking Jesus out of the holiday, they're just bringing the Winter Solstice holiday back to its roots. I got a little bit of flak when I jokingly said Happy Winter Solstice Day to my sister, but that's mainly because she's trying to indoctrinate the kids into the Christian religion before they start hearing contradictory things from me.

So do you care? Do you demand that everyone keeps saying Christmas instead of Happy Holidays? Do you like the idea of taking Jesus out of a holiday that wasn't originally about him in the first place? Are you indifferent?

The American government has enough to worry about without this on top. Plus it will add huge amounts of drama which is simply unnecessary. Eighty percent of Americans consider themselves Christian so I don't think its gonna win much support nationally. As for worldwide...well I'm not sure.

Yeah this country has a huge Christian following, so the idea will surely be hard to sell.

Christmas didn't really hijack a pagan holiday, but it was created and had its time set to subvert and replace one.

I also find it kind of funny how angry some Christians get about this sort of thing when Christmas is almost, if not already, more about consumerism and Santa in popular culture than it is about Jesus.

Why remove it? People have already been saying "Happy Holidays", which seems fine.

No, there's no need to remove Christ from Christmas, because that would discriminate against Christians.

That said, there is no need to force people to celebrate Christmas, as that's discriminatory against anyone else. If you have a problem with celebrating Christmas, just wish everyone a happy holiday and don't celebrate it. Simple as that.

Unfortunately people seem to make it not as simple as that.

The "War on Christmas" is indeed bull♥♥♥♥.

No one I have ever met has gone ape♥♥♥♥ over me saying Merry Christmas.

coming from one of the most atheist countries in the world, let me tell you that celebrating christmas without christ doesn't mean it's lost its values of giving, spending time with loved ones etc.

Pssshhh. I don't even see how this is an issue. And if it is, it shouldn't be. Personal freedom is what matters.

I have a problem with things like government bodies using taxpayer money to pay chaplains to conduct opening prayers or to purchase/maintain religious symbols/decorations, even for holiday purposes. People shouldn't have to pay for the propagation of any religion. If I were a Muslim taxpayer or somesuch, I wouldn't be happy that my money was being used to buy a big glowing cross for Town Hall.

pretty sure nobody is trying to "take Christ out of Christmas."

I don't reall think it's about Jesus anymore. It's really about giving to the people you love, and spending time with them. Which, isn't a bad thing at all. It's awesome.

I'm not a Christian, but I'd say that as long as it's still about love and "goodwill towards men", it doesn't require the use of a name or special rite to be about God.

I've come to the conclusion that Santa is really just Satan changing the letters around!

Satan is often viewed as being red and Santa is dressed in red! Satan likes to fool people so why wouldn't he disguise himself as a big fat jolly old man bringing presents all around the world! It's his master plan to take all the attention away from it being Jesus' birthday. That bastard!

Originally Posted by TheWhiteMaiden

I don't even see how this is an issue

It's only the christians being upset that other people do what they want on christmas instead of going to church and whatnot. Christmas as a secular holiday frightens them because it furthers the downfall of their religion.

Originally Posted by Lysis

pretty sure nobody is trying to "take Christ out of Christmas."

I don't care about what people say to me when they ask me to enjoy late December, but it's ludicrous when some Christians claim that they are somehow "entitled" to Dec 24/25.

I think that no religious holiday ("holy day") should be recognized by the government. Strike Christmas from the list of national special days. I'd be fine with it being replaced with "Winter Solstice Day", or something like that. Of course, this might be just a nominal change, which I would be perfectly satisfied with, as long as there would be no retaliatory breaches of the Establishment Clause at any level of government thereafter (and as long as the Establishment Clause continues to be enforced, which the track record for is only so-so).

Originally Posted by Lysis

pretty sure nobody is trying to "take Christ out of Christmas."

You need to watch more Fox News then.

*wink, wink*

Taking Christ out of Christmas would be like removing religion from this world.

And you know what that would result in?

Chaos.

Originally Posted by Thareous

Taking Christ out of Christmas would be like removing religion from this world.

And you know what that would result in?

Order.

Fix'd.

I wasn't aware that religion was synonymous with order.