A Religion Theory (help)

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Danger: I'm confused if there's a heaven and you go there you want to share the same air as Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, etc?

I thought your God loved everyone. This is not what I think.
Give me one good reason why they wouldn't go to heaven according to a loving good who would find the smallest amount of good in someone, as their sin is limited.

Originally Posted by __Link__

So, do you think we all can get to Heaven? Explain why you think as you do, please. I don't know what to think, and I need your opinions for help.

Everyone does, or no one does. :/

Originally Posted by Danger

Everyone does, or no one does. :/

Then what is hell for?

Originally Posted by DEKU3

Then what is hell for?

I wonder so too. No loving and just god would send anyone there, unless one believed in some sort of purging.

True. Most people don't love god. They just fear him and his lake of fire.

Or for that matter, if God is all knowing or omnipotent, why would he punish his creations? I mean, he knows just what we are going to do right? Then why create something that's doomed to fail? It seems like a very sadistic thing.

Thats it. You are bound to ♥♥♥♥ up, so you get scared and go running to church (or whatever) and pay of your sins. In the past literally, nowadays in some other way.

Oh dear. Where to begin.

Deku: Hell is the devil's domain where the people that were bad in life go. Also you don't need to go to a church to cleanse yourself of sins. That is why i dislike catholic confessions because it basically gives the idea that you need a priest to tell god you're sorry when you can just tell him yourself.

Danger: Define what you mean by "purging"

Wyrm: How do you know we're doomed to fail? Perhaps we're going to succeed.

Oni: how long do these "bad people" have to stay in Hell? What is Hell like? What happens there?

There is hardly anything in the bible about hell. It's for all eternity though, and there is supposed to be suffering. Heh, if you take the bible literally, everyone is going to hell. That's why most christians tend to pick and choose what parts they fully believe in. Which I think is silly.

Deku: That is true. The only real concrete evidence we have that supports the existence hell is a reference to something called "The Abyss." In revelation. There are a lot of parts in the Bible that I don't take literally simply because I believe the majority of the Bible(specifically the history parts) is more metaphorical than anything.

Lysis: Deku pretty much answered this question.

Oni: so you believe that bad people go to Hell and suffer for eternity?

Lysis:I don't know about suffering for eternity. Some religions believe that eventually the sins of people in life will be removed and they shall be admitted to heaven. This makes me think of the Nine Circles of Hell where each of them gets progressively worse until you arrive at the final ring where the devil lives.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Lysis:I don't know about suffering for eternity. Some religions believe that eventually the sins of people in life will be removed and they shall be admitted to heaven. This makes me think of the Nine Circles of Hell where each of them gets progressively worse until you arrive at the final ring where the devil lives.

Yeeeeah... That "nine circles of hell" thing has no biblical backing. It's part of Dante's Inferno, I believe, and thus is a much more recent idea than any biblical tale.

Sabbo: I'm aware there is nothing in the Bible about it I was merely stating something that it reminded me of. This is that certain people depending on how bad they were are subjected to differing levels/lengths of punishment.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Danger: Define what you mean by "purging"

Being tormented until your sins are "burned away".
Also, you avoided my question

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

DThere are a lot of parts in the Bible that I don't take literally simply because I believe the majority of the Bible(specifically the history parts) is more metaphorical than anything.

This suggestion incites rancor (understandably so, as it entirely undermines everything Christians hold near and dear), but I still believe a good case can be made that Christianity (and many other religions) is essentially sun worship. Yes, I originally got this idea from the Zeitgeist movie, which does not mean I endorse that product's overall quality, veracity, or message.

However, the Jesus as sun metaphor seems to work pretty well, but that is an entirely different can of worms, and I fear to delve into it for fear of a massive backlash.

Originally Posted by __Link__

, Buddhism,

There's no "Heaven" in Budhism.

I couldn't really choose any of the poll options. Has anybody else ever head the saying, "The way to heaven is not paved with virtues"? In my own beliefs, you could be a very, very good person who always does the right thing, but if you don't believe in God, you don't get to go to heaven. It makes sense to me, really. Why let somebody into your kingdom if they shunned you?

But for the most part, I think that many religions who worship different gods are worshipping the same god- they just don't know it. People make mistakes, history gets twisted, etc. So, I think as long as they are believers and do the right thing (for lack of a lengthy explanation I'm sure nobody wants to hear), they'll get into Heaven or whatever their religion calls it.

Originally Posted by Zeruda

In my own beliefs, you could be a very, very good person who always does the right thing, but if you don't believe in God, you don't get to go to heaven. It makes sense to me, really. Why let somebody into your kingdom if they shunned you?

You're the stereotype of a person I cannot ever, ever respect, not even if you saved my life or the lives of everyone I loved. Not only are you metaphorically telling me to ♥♥♥♥ off by telling me that I will suffer eternally (which, by the way, is much worse of an insult than me telling you that you should "♥♥♥♥ing die"), you are also disrespecting your supreme being by claiming he's a malevolent ass who throws people into hell for anything from being born in the wrong country to being an infant (people are born atheists, technically) to being a vegetable.

Originally Posted by Zeruda

But for the most part, I think that many religions who worship different gods are worshipping the same god- they just don't know it. People make mistakes, history gets twisted, etc. So, I think as long as they are believers and do the right thing (for lack of a lengthy explanation I'm sure nobody wants to hear), they'll get into Heaven or whatever their religion calls it.

Your religion isn't even the oldest, get off the soapbox.

Originally Posted by Danger

You're the stereotype of a person I cannot ever, ever respect, not even if you saved my life or the lives of everyone I loved. Not only are you metaphorically telling me to ♥♥♥♥ off by telling me that I will suffer eternally (which, by the way, is much worse of an insult than me telling you that you should "♥♥♥♥ing die"), you are also disrespecting your supreme being by claiming he's a malevolent ass who throws people into hell for anything from being born in the wrong country to being an infant (people are born atheists, technically) to being a vegetable.

Pretty much this. You're including people who have never even had the idea occur to them, or people who have never been around that particular religion. And you can't say most of them are "worshipping the same god but don't know it", because everyone has a different definition of "God", and if you ask me, it's impossible that anyone is worshipping the same god.
That is, if they're worshipping one at all.

So basically, I agree that your God is a complete ass if he does throw all who don't worship him into Hell.