JFK

There's been a lot about the Kennedy's on TV lately (obviously) and it got me thinking about the JFK assassination...or did it?!?! MHWUAHAHA...Ok, I'm done. Point is, I'm interested in knowing peoples opinions on it. Where there more than one assassin? What did the dude with the umbrella actually do? Nothing? Probably? Who knows? You do?........?. Cereally though, what do you guys think happened.

Oswald was perfectly capable of making the shot. The way Kennedy moves corresponds to how he was shot. It's no conspiracy.

Kennedy was killed the same way every other president has been assassinated; by a lone crazy person. There was no mafia involvement, and certainly no involvement from another country.

So far, I've narrowed down the possible additional assassins/conspirators to:

• LBJ
• Nixon
• JFK

...In all seriousness though, I've seen several shows about these conspiracies and I'm really unconvinced. Until someone convinces me otherwise, I'm just going to go with the official story and be more concerned about things I know are actual issues.

Military records show that Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrible shot; there is no way Oswald could have fired three shots in the time the the Zapruder film showed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1smg...eature=related

I can guarantee that this speech triggered his soon-after death. JFK ticked off some powerful people in our government. Any skeptics should ignore the term conspiracy and really listen to what he has to say.

RIP JFK, the last real president we had.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

Military records show that Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrible shot; there is no way Oswald could have fired three shots in the time the the Zapruder film showed.

Military record show in fact the exact opposite of what you are claiming. He was a sharpshooter in the US military, as well as a marksman. He is perfectly capable of handling a rifle and making those shots with that kind of training.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Military record show in fact the exact opposite of what you are claiming. He was a sharpshooter in the US military, as well as a marksman. He is perfectly capable of handling a rifle and making those shots with that kind of training.

I've gotta go with FoV on this one. Even though I believe something deeper went down, Oswald was most likely involved. And he was quite a marksman.

It's very possible that his death was allowed if not arranged. You just gotta nudge the right people in the right place. It's pretty much a given that a President will become the target of an assassination plot. That's what you get with political power.

Clandestine meetings with professionals isn't really necessary. If you want the President dead, all you need to do is make some guy's lucky day by conveniently "forgetting" to place security on a certain vantage point. In fact those subtle nudges were probably done to put Malcolm X and MLK Jr. in their graves.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Military record show in fact the exact opposite of what you are claiming. He was a sharpshooter in the US military, as well as a marksman. He is perfectly capable of handling a rifle and making those shots with that kind of training.

Terrible shot I only slightly retract, as "poor shot" was how he was described for marksmen; he still only passed the test by 2 and 1:

"In accordance with standard Marine procedures, Oswald received extensive training in marksmanship.773 During the first week of an intensive 8-week training period he received instruction in sighting, aiming, and manipulation of the trigger.774 He went through a series of exercises called dry firing where he assumed all positions which would later be used in the qualification course.775 After familiarization with live ammunition in the .22 rifle and .22 pistol, Oswald, like all Marine recruits, received training on the rifle range at distances up to 500 yards, firing 50 rounds each day for five days.776

Following that training, Oswald was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a "sharpshooter" in a scale of marksman--sharpshooter--expert.777 In May of 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a "marksman." 778 The Marine Corps records maintained on Oswald further show that he had fired and was familiar with the Browning Automatic rifle, .45 caliber pistol, and 12-gage riot gun.779

Based on the general Marine Corps ratings, Lt. Col. A. G. Folsom, Jr., head, Records Branch, Personnel Department, Headquarters U.S. Marine Corps, evaluated the sharpshooter qualification as a "fairly good shot." and a low marksman rating as a "rather poor shot."

Major Anderson concluded:

I would say that as compared to other Marines receiving the same type of training, that Oswald was a good shot, somewhat better than or equal to--better than the average let us say. As compared to a civilian who had not received this intensive training, he would be considered as a good to excellent shot."

Source: http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk...-4.html#marine

He could not make three shots in that timing. While Oswald may have had a role in the assassination, he could not have been the sole shooter. Dictabelt and witness accounts point to a gunshot from the knoll. Of course, every scrap of evidence in regards to this event is highly disputed, but I'm going with the latest finding by D.B. Thomas.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

Terrible shot I only slightly retract, as "poor shot" was how he was described for marksmen; he still only passed the test by 2 and 1:

"In accordance with standard Marine procedures, Oswald received extensive training in marksmanship.773 During the first week of an intensive 8-week training period he received instruction in sighting, aiming, and manipulation of the trigger.774 He went through a series of exercises called dry firing where he assumed all positions which would later be used in the qualification course.775 After familiarization with live ammunition in the .22 rifle and .22 pistol, Oswald, like all Marine recruits, received training on the rifle range at distances up to 500 yards, firing 50 rounds each day for five days.776

Following that training, Oswald was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a "sharpshooter" in a scale of marksman--sharpshooter--expert.777 In May of 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a "marksman." 778 The Marine Corps records maintained on Oswald further show that he had fired and was familiar with the Browning Automatic rifle, .45 caliber pistol, and 12-gage riot gun.779

Based on the general Marine Corps ratings, Lt. Col. A. G. Folsom, Jr., head, Records Branch, Personnel Department, Headquarters U.S. Marine Corps, evaluated the sharpshooter qualification as a "fairly good shot." and a low marksman rating as a "rather poor shot."

Major Anderson concluded:

I would say that as compared to other Marines receiving the same type of training, that Oswald was a good shot, somewhat better than or equal to--better than the average let us say. As compared to a civilian who had not received this intensive training, he would be considered as a good to excellent shot."

Source: http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk...-4.html#marine

He could not make three shots in that timing. While Oswald may have had a role in the assassination, he could not have been the sole shooter. Dictabelt and witness accounts point to a gunshot from the knoll. Of course, every scrap of evidence in regards to this event is highly disputed, but I'm going with the latest finding by D.B. Thomas.

What gives you reason to believe he couldn't make that shot or handle his weapon? You don't think a military sniper could make that shot? I think the source actually supports Oswald. Again, he is a military sniper, trained in accuracy and weaponry, there is no reason to doubt his capabilities to make those shots.

People also claimed they heard missiles on 9/11, the mind is capable of fanciful things in crazy situations.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

What gives you reason to believe he couldn't make that shot or handle his weapon? You don't think a military sniper could make that shot? I think the source actually supports Oswald. Again, he is a military sniper, trained in accuracy and weaponry, there is no reason to doubt his capabilities to make those shots.

Three shots that caused nine wounds to three men in a 5.6 second time frame?

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

Three shots that caused nine wounds to three men in a 5.6 second time frame?

Kennedy suffered a wound to the back, the throat and the neck. Governer Connelly was wounded in the back, chest, wrist, and thigh. This was cause by the second bullet.

The discovery Channel re-enacted the situation here, The bullet.

The re-enactment resulted in exactly what happened in the Kennedy assassination.

The Third bullet, impacted Kennedy's skull.

The last wound was a wound to the face by a bullet fragment of a bystander.

9 wounds, 3 bullets.

As for the firing speed, I watched an old man on the history channel do it in the allotted time. If he can do it, a more youthful Oswald can as well.

Modern analyses have shown that the time for all three shots was somewhere between 8-9 seconds.

And what of the first bullet missing? There's too much conflicting information here.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

And what of the first bullet missing? There's too much conflicting information here.

The first Bullet may have been the one to strike the pedestrian, that would be my guess. He missed? So what?

I don't buy it. The Discovery Channel claims are in direct opposition to the FBI's claims. As I said before, there's too much conflicting information.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

I don't buy it. The Discovery Channel claims are in direct opposition to the FBI's claims. As I said before, there's too much conflicting information.

Which claims did the FBI make?