Marijuana - Good or bad?

Originally Posted by Ty

I'm not saying it's bad, but unnecessary in most cases.

So is playing video games. So best just not bother with it eh?

I'm only really talking about substances that your body takes in. For example, I only eat when my body is hungry, drink when i'm thirsty. People alot of times eat just for something to do, which is evident in the obecity problem. Me on the other hand, only eat/drink when I need to. Same with weed and alcohal. It isn't neccisary for my body to have it, it doesn't need it, therfore I don't use it.

I guess if you have to think that way about everything, I really would have no buisness playing games, but, I only think this way when it comes to food, drinks, weed, etc.

Originally Posted by Ty

I'm only really talking about substances that your body takes in. For example, I only eat when my body is hungry, drink when i'm thirsty. People alot of times eat just for something to do, which is evident in the obesity problem. Me on the other hand, only eat/drink when I need to. Same with weed and alcohol. It isn't neccisary for my body to have it, it doesn't need it, therfore I don't use it.

To be honest, I am finding this difficult to believe. I suppose that you, like essentially everyone, eats certain foods for taste? Regardless of wether you are hungry, thirsty or not, you do eat and drink foods and liquids that aren't needed, and have a host of ingredients that harbor no health benefits - and many of which may be detrimental to your health. Fast foods, energy drinks and sweets are excellent examples. You may eat and drink only when you desire it, but unless you are retaining an absolute optimum diet, you consume substances that have less than desireable affects on your health, but happen to taste delicious.

I eat when I get hungry. Not when I just want to eat, becuase I never really get that. Food is needed, so it get eaten when needed.
Well, here's my diet, you can judge for yourself.
Mon- wed: 9 am -> Cerial or scrambled eggs depending on my mood.
5:30 pm -> rice/chicken or a sub.
8 pm -> Either an orange, apple or english muffin.
Thursday I skip supper because of hockey, but other than that, pretty much the same thing.
Friday, same breakfast. Usually pizza for supper. My one food I eat for the enjoyment of it, but by 6- ish, i'm still pretty hungry anyway.
Sat/Sun is the same as monday, only breakfast is at a later time because I wake up later.
And, of course, 4-5 glasses of orange juice a day.

Even if that doesn't meet the criteria of "only in nessesity" it doesn't really matter. It's sort of off topic anyway.
I still don't drink alcohal or do weed because I find it unessisary. Pretty much the bottom line, i guess.

Originally Posted by Ty

Even if that doesn't meet the criteria of "only in nessesity" it doesn't really matter. It's sort of off topic anyway. I still don't drink alcohal or do weed because I find it unessisary. Pretty much the bottom line, i guess.

Your diet seems reasonable, albiet casual and certainly not perfect. I also think that you may have embellished it for the better. Nonetheless my point is not to judge your diet, but to put forth this; Plenty of our consumption is done largely for the sake of pleasure. I don't know a single person who doesnt consume something, at some point, because of enjoyment of the sensation it provides. I think that this includes you.

Therefore the fact that it isnt needed is not a valid reason for condemning Marijuana, and the issue at hand is really in regard to direct benefits and concequences of consuming it, if we are talking about how we should judge the drug universally. Furthermore, the 'neccesity' argument you pitch is flawed or hypocritical when applied to other areas. If I followed this train of thought, I would be a vegetarian, because the phenomenal resource expenditure and enviromental cost in producing meat is very uneeded. (For the record, I am considering a vegetarian diet for this very reason anyway).

Good luck with the vegetarian thing. Seriously, I couldnt do it, and it makes me feel like I'm a bad person for it.

Originally Posted by Qwelk

I don't know a single person who doesnt consume something, at some point, because of enjoyment of the sensation it provides. I think that this includes you.

Pizza!

Therefore the fact that it isnt needed is not a valid reason for condemning Marijuana, and the issue at hand is really in regard to direct benefits and concequences of consuming it, if we are talking about how we should judge the drug universally. Furthermore, the 'neccesity' argument you pitch is flawed or hypocritical when applied to other areas. If I followed this train of thought, I would be a vegetarian, because the phenomenal resource expenditure and enviromental cost in producing meat is very uneeded. (For the record, I am considering a vegetarian diet for this very reason anyway).

Flawed as it may be, it keeps me happy, and within the law. So i'm fine if you feel my ways are flawed.
And i'm not condemning marijuana. I don't care who uses it or why. I am not saying it is good, or bad. I'm just saying I don't use it.

Originally Posted by Ty

Flawed as it may be, it keeps me happy, and within the law. So i'm fine if you feel my ways are flawed. And i'm not condemning marijuana. I don't care who uses it or why. I am not saying it is good, or bad. I'm just saying I don't use it.

I apologise; my previous post was slightly heavy and a touch inappropriate. Naturally I have no problem with decisions of preference, and even less so with anyone wishing to remain within the law. My suggestion to you, though? Try it if you haven't already done so.

Just while I am on the subject of law, prohibition of Marijuana itself only increases the strongest risk factors that are commonly attributed to the drug, such as the 'gateway' theory. It's association with crime and inability to be distributed easily and openly makes it a source of income for the less desireable of groups; such as gangs, who in turn have their other, more harmful criminal activities funded as a concequence. Furthermore, perfectly law abiding citizens otherwise, who consume or possess Marijuana have needless criminal records because of such laws, not to mention the wasted police time and taxpayer dollars spent enforcing them. Yes, prohibition fails to prevent anyone from using this drug; especially as the statistics would convey in my home country (New Zealand), where at least 1/4 of the population has tried it.

Really, it should be legalized, and along with the above problems fading, time and money could instead be spent educating people about the realities.

Originally Posted by Qwelk

I apologise; my previous post was slightly heavy and a touch inappropriate. Naturally I have no problem with decisions of preference, and even less so with anyone wishing to remain within the law. My suggestion to you, though? Try it if you haven't already done so.

Just while I am on the subject of law, prohibition of Marijuana itself only increases the strongest risk factors that are commonly attributed to the drug, such as the 'gateway' theory. It's association with crime and inability to be distributed easily and openly makes it a source of income for the less desireable of groups; such as gangs, who in turn have their other, more harmful criminal activities funded as a concequence. Furthermore, perfectly law abiding citizens otherwise, who consume or possess Marijuana have needless criminal records because of such laws, not to mention the wasted police time and taxpayer dollars spent enforcing them. Yes, prohibition fails to prevent anyone from using this drug; especially as the statistics would convey in my home country (New Zealand), where at least 1/4 of the population has tried it.

Really, it should be legalized, and along with the above problems fading, time and money could instead be spent educating people about the realities.

That's funny, because statistics here say 1 in 10 people tried it. And that while it's totally legal to buy it and use it (not so much grow and sell it, but that's another story).

I guess forbidden fruits taste best eh?

Originally Posted by Bravo

Nice try, kid, but try not to base all of your cultural knowledge on oblique references on South Park.

And DEFINITELY check your facts before you correct ME.

Though I can probably guess why you weren't smart enough to do so...


Now get off of my Internet, ya damn hippie.

Go jerk off a cat. I KNOW people who do smack. The local bums in my city and a few in San Fran know my name (maybe not anymore as I, now, stay away from them). When it's being smoked off of tin foil it's called the dragon, because of how it tastes or looks or something like that. I've also heard that it's a reference to opium smokers in San Fransisco back in the day who were almost all Chinese.

I knew about the reference way before I ever saw Heroin Hero on SouthPark.

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Originally Posted by DEKU3

That's funny, because statistics here say 1 in 10 people tried it. And that while it's totally legal to buy it and use it (not so much grow and sell it, but that's another story).

I guess forbidden fruits taste best eh?

In the USA almost half the population has tried marijuana, 7% of teens have tried to get high from cough medicine, and probably half of my upper middle class county (average household makes around 70-80 grand) does meth. There were no respectable methods utilized while obtaining that last statistic, though.

Originally Posted by 8bit

I don't understand that, considering caffeine is a stimulant.

It's also far more dangerous than marijuana use.

...and methylphenidate (ritalin/Concerta), amphetamine, dextroamphetamine and methamphetamine aren't? Those are all prescribed for ADHD.

Originally Posted by Zzanitari

I would never turn to Caffeine for adhd, since it has been known to kill people. Pot is a natural and safe alternative to ADHD. Using a vaporizer or ingesting it makes it work better than smoking it imo. Caffeine has some pretty bad withdrawal symptoms and is actually addictive. I don't why you would wanna turn to using Caffeine when it has been known to cause heart disease, dependency, and even death. You CAN overdose and kill yourself with that stuff. I have had some bad withdrawals from drinking a 2 Liter of Dr. Pepper. Marijuana can replace a lot of harmful painkillers. I would much rather use marijuana for my headaches instead of the other pain killers.

The only time Marijuana kills brain cells is from the lack of oxygen and holding the smoke in too long. Marijuana does not cause any permanent brain damage, small or big. There has never been any convincing evidence for it.

There's a video on Youtube from some guy who does brain scans. It shows the brains of multiple people, most had long term drug abuse issues. The weed guy was missing significant parts of the brain that store short and/or long term memories. Albeit he probably smoked an eigth a day or something.
I would link to it, but it'd be hard for me to find it as I have no sound on my computer making it hard to conform that it's the right video.

Plus, you get comedowns from one two liter of caffeine, not withdrawls. Withdrawals are from long term, heavy use. Like when I was doing 1.6 grams of caffeine a day (no idea how I managed to get my doses up that high), which is around 30 mountain Dews, then I got withdrawals from discontinuation. Most people would require half of that for similar results.

Originally Posted by Qwelk

I apologise; my previous post was slightly heavy and a touch inappropriate. Naturally I have no problem with decisions of preference, and even less so with anyone wishing to remain within the law. My suggestion to you, though? Try it if you haven't already done so.



Really, it should be legalized, and along with the above problems fading, time and money could instead be spent educating people about the realities.

Don't worry about it.
And the only reason I would want to see it legalized is so that the government can make more money,and therefore lower taxes. It is highly unlikely that it would happen like that though.

LOL! It was almost officially legalized in California recently, and basically is already. I'm being honest you can smoke weed walking down Main Street in San Francisco. Anyone who has 200$ to get a clubcard first and is over 18, can legally buy and smoke weed. My state grows 14,000,000,000 dollars worth every year.

I think your reasons for not smoking are in almost no way logical. I'm not saying that there aren't logical reasons not to smoke, but that you just don't like the idea of smoking weed so you make up a reason. Thus, why your reason is so unsound. Your reason isn't logical, but emotional. That's not necessarily a bad thing, you just should admit your true reasons to yourself.

Personally I'd be willing to take a dose of pharmaceutical methamphetamine, but would never touch crystal methamphetamine. There are plenty of logical reasons like being able to know and control your dose, garunteee it's safety/ it's pure, that it's not easily available enough to habituate it, and also the advantage of oral use instead of snorting (sensitive tissue that's not meant to be abused). But it's also half emotional and that the idea of it (crystal) is just gross to me.

Did it actually make it to the ballot this time?

I think it's good. It free's the mind, gets rid of the ego, and makes ya hungry. Er...
Maybe the hungry thing ain't so great, but oh well.

I need help.

I would have to say it's bad for a couple reasons:

1. There are negative side-effects from using it and

2. Why introduce it as a legal drug to the people when there's enough abuse of alcohol, other drugs and people can't control themselves even with legal drugs such as cigarettes.

Well, because it's a healthier alternative, and it's an insult that there are people imprisoned for using and/or selling marijuana when more dangerous drugs are perfectly legal.

I have seen what drugs can do to people, so I say ALL of them are bad.

My brother says that crack cures cancer, but thats sort of irrelevent to the topic.

Originally Posted by Tobari

My brother says that crack cures cancer, but thats sort of irrelevent to the topic.

Your brother is a dumbass.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

Well, because it's a healthier alternative, and it's an insult that there are people imprisoned for using and/or selling marijuana when more dangerous drugs are perfectly legal.

So then you say that it should be legalized?

Originally Posted by Tobari

I have seen what drugs can do to people, so I say ALL of them are bad.

I agree. Toothpaste should be illegal.