Marijuana - Good or bad?

Originally Posted by Erasmus

social engineering is bad, first of all.

@first bolded: do you know how much art and culture is derived from the creative influences of THC? probably not, and if you do it seems you disregard it as being useless

@second bolded: tobacco is a nootropic: allow the thinkers to aid themselves as needed, and the workers in the meat grinder to relieve stress as they see fit.

@3rd bolded: alcohol is the safest and least "crazy" of the social lubricants. We'd probably end up killing each other before seeing any quantifiable good from the banning of the substance.

@first: do you know how much productivity is LOST because of canabis? Probably not as it seems you don't have any stoner friends.

@do you know how much brain power is wasted on curing the health effects of tobacco and how much stress is generated from those ills?

@I'd say that pot is the safest and least crazy. And alcohol and killing do have a bit of a correlation, pot has a correlation with sleep, bliss and relaxation. Note how I never said to ban it either...

Originally Posted by nighthawkx

@first: do you know how much productivity is LOST because of canabis? Probably not as it seems you don't have any stoner friends.

@do you know how much brain power is wasted on curing the health effects of tobacco and how much stress is generated from those ills?

@I'd say that pot is the safest and least crazy. And alcohol and killing do have a bit of a correlation, pot has a correlation with sleep, bliss and relaxation. Note how I never said to ban it either...

I grew up in a conservatory. nice try though.

yes and yes. One of my peers is a Cancer specialist. Pharmaceuticals, to be specific. He finds his job quite fulfilling, not a waste i would think. In fact I could wax eloquent about the beautiful contradictory nature of his job for maybe 2.5 paragraphs, but I won't.

alcohol is merely an enabler for bottled up emotions. stop blaming the chemicals for what is invariably human error. and yes you never said to ban it, but that's only because you thought it would be more trouble to ban it because as FOV said it is "culturally embedded" which to me implied that you thought it would be better had it never been invented.

Originally Posted by Erasmus

I grew up in a conservatory. nice try though.

yes and yes. One of my peers is a Cancer specialist. Pharmaceuticals, to be specific. He finds his job quite fulfilling, not a waste i would think. In fact I could wax eloquent about the beautiful contradictory nature of his job for maybe 2.5 paragraphs, but I won't.

alcohol is merely an enabler for bottled up emotions. stop blaming the chemicals for what is invariably human error. and yes you never said to ban it, but that's only because you thought it would be more trouble to ban it because as FOV said it is "culturally embedded" which to me implied that you thought it would be better had it never been invented.

@3 pretty much. I don't drink, I rarely blaze, don't really pop pills or do much of anything. The thing I get high from the most is weight lifting. only reason I don't support banning mch of anything is because we need to allow evolution to work it's course for the sake of humanity(that and the simple fact that it costs too much relative to the benefits)

Originally Posted by nighthawkx

@3 pretty much. I don't drink, I rarely blaze, don't really pop pills or do much of anything. The thing I get high from the most is weight lifting. only reason I don't support banning mch of anything is because we need to allow evolution to work it's course for the sake of humanity(that and the simple fact that it costs too much relative to the benefits)

heh. I chuckled. good 'ol darwin.

I need to get back into weightlifting.

lifting has done me wonders
age 16, 5'9" 100lbs accused of being anorexic
age 20, 5'9.5 155lbs accused of doing steroids(down to 145 right now due to laziness with dieting, but I'm absolutely shredded, Im actually getting MORE looks than normal which is interesting since I was healthier 10lbs heavier)

I'm still being "made fun" of for my appearance(apparently my waist is way too small on me and my chest is disproportionately large as are my arms) but the ladies like it.

I really feel that people should use physical activity as their high. It increases health and productivity, reduces violent tendencies and has a variety of othr benefits.

age 16, 5'6" 100lbs accused of being anorexic
age 17, 5'6 113lbs lifted weights for roughly 4 months
age 20, 5'6" 107lbs not sure what happened
age 22, 5'6 103lbs accused of being severely depressed
age 23, 5'6 100.3lbs accused of being bi-polar and mildly aggressive


heh, my high is usually from internal thought fed by external stimulus via music.

but exercise would probably prevent me from destroying the cardboard boxes in a pissed-off, customer-induced rage slash, at the very least.

FYI testosterone makes you MORE aggressive. It also makes you happier and hornier.
when you lift your body tends to produce more test(among other androgens)

related to this subject, when you blaze test and DHT production are reduced. If you blaze enough you can become temporarily impotent.

Originally Posted by nighthawkx

FYI testosterone makes you MORE aggressive. It also makes you happier and hornier.
when you lift your body tends to produce more test(among other androgens)

related to this subject, when you blaze test and DHT production are reduced. If you blaze enough you can become temporarily impotent.

^damn, so that's what happened.

huh.

hey, I have no problem getting it up. heck I get more random boners now than when I was going through puberty. Testosterone is a great thing.

Hahahaha "random boners".

Originally Posted by nighthawkx

I really feel that people should use physical activity as their high. It increases health and productivity, reduces violent tendencies and has a variety of othr benefits.

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FYI testosterone makes you MORE aggressive.

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If you blaze enough you can become temporarily impotent.

No.

Originally Posted by Scoria

Cannabis is a natural muscle relaxant and eases most types of pain, very small regular doses are proven to keep a person much calmer than they may usually be. I don't personally know how but it does increase your blood flow, you can feel this by testing your pulse after usage of the plant.

Smoking ANYTHING is bad for you as smoke of any type will harm your lungs, statistically though cannabis smoke is much "healthier" for your lungs than cigarette smoke because it's a natural plant where as cigarettes have some tobacco and then countless chemicals that only hurt you more and more with the addition of each one to the mix. Orally cannabis does no immediately obvious damage to your body, if any.

Source.

Originally Posted by Scoria

Cannabis is a natural muscle relaxant and eases most types of pain, very small regular doses are proven to keep a person much calmer than they may usually be. I don't personally know how but it does increase your blood flow, you can feel this by testing your pulse after usage of the plant.

Smoking ANYTHING is bad for you as smoke of any type will harm your lungs, statistically though cannabis smoke is much "healthier" for your lungs than cigarette smoke because it's a natural plant where as cigarettes have some tobacco and then countless chemicals that only hurt you more and more with the addition of each one to the mix. Orally cannabis does no immediately obvious damage to your body, if any.

Bolded- This is common knowledge and the only reason medical marijuana is allowed.

Italic- My best friend has bad ADHD, he is far calmer than ever when regularly using cannabis.

Underlined- Obvious.

Originally Posted by Scoria

Bolded- This is common knowledge and the only reason medical marijuana is allowed.

Italic- My best friend has bad ADHD, he is far calmer than ever when regularly using cannabis.

Underlined- Obvious.

I still want a source. Besides, this isn't about medical marijuana.

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/marij3.html

I obviously can't prove the story about my friend, but it's true whether you choose to believe it or not. You need the side from someone who uses the plant anyway otherwise an argument is defunct.

Smoke is harmful to your lungs, if you don't know this then you need to get your money back from your school.

Read the ingredients label on any cigarette carton. Lights don't count.

And the biggest health risk from marijuana is smoking it. This can be eased by using any peripheral that lowers the temperature after the smoke is made from combustion, such as a "volcano". So orally, as in digesting it, is better for you and gives you the same effects as smoking it.

Marijuana, when used by the right type of person, can produce some pretty severe freak outs. I've had them. Other than that, there doesn't seem to be much wrong with it, when done in moderation, and kept separate from your professional goals. Obviously any drug that you allow to cut into your professional life can be an issue.

Originally Posted by Scoria

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/marij3.html

I obviously can't prove the story about my friend, but it's true whether you choose to believe it or not. You need the side from someone who uses the plant anyway otherwise an argument is defunct.

Smoke is harmful to your lungs, if you don't know this then you need to get your money back from your school.

Read the ingredients label on any cigarette carton. Lights don't count.

And the biggest health risk from marijuana is smoking it. This can be eased by using any peripheral that lowers the temperature after the smoke is made from combustion, such as a "volcano". So orally, as in digesting it, is better for you and gives you the same effects as smoking it.

Don't you have something with more recent references? At least 80% of that articles sources were from the 70's. The rest were from the early 80's and late 60's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

At this point I don't even know what you are doing in this conversation other than asking me for sources on everything I say. Is there anything you can add to this?

Originally Posted by Scoria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

At this point I don't even know what you are doing in this conversation other than asking me for sources on everything I say. Is there anything you can add to this?

I'm asking people to provide sources for their claims. That includes you. Other than that, I have already stated my opinion.

Originally Posted by nighthawkx

hey, I have no problem getting it up. heck I get more random boners now than when I was going through puberty. Testosterone is a great thing.

I don't have a problem when it's necessary, aside from the accursed whiskey dick.

However, random boners are a rarity, even in the presence of pron.

Does anybody else find it mildly humerus that this convo is actually relevant?