The Blasphemy Challenge

Originally Posted by LightHawk

You failed in answering the question or do you not even have a reason for doing so?

Why do I have a reason to do so when I have no reason to believe in a god or gods?

It's like asking, "Why don't you wear your pants on your head before you go to sleep?"

The real question is, why would I do that?

That said, the term 'deny' is only used to fit the scripture. This doesn't quite reflect my position accurately, as, rather than actively denying a god or gods, myself, like most atheists, see no reason to seriously consider the existence of a god or gods. (As you see no reason to seriously consider the existence of the easter bunny.)

We don't claim to 'know' whether or not there is a god or gods, but we also don't claim to know whether or not we live in the Matrix, the world will end in 2012, no one else is conscious except for themselves, or if the universe was created by a giant ball of spaghetti.

This reminds me a bit of Pascal's Wager. I'm pretty sure it's about how you've got nothing to lose, and everything to gain by being religious.

(As in, if you're wrong, and there is no god, you die, and that's that, but if you're right, you get to heaven)

What if there is a God, and it only accepts atheists? All similar positions (only accepting atheists, only accepting theists, only accepting a specific group of theists) are all cruel positions, as it's punishment based around something one couldn't have known.

So you're an Atheist and you don't believe in God. Good for you and I believe in God. Good for freakin' me.

Seriously, what's the ****in' point of eihter sides forcing their views down?

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

So you're an Atheist and you don't believe in God. Good for you and I believe in God. Good for freakin' me.

Seriously, what's the ****in' point of eihter sides forcing their views down?

These videos aren't aimed at theists. :/

I think that by "blaspheming the Holy Spirit," the Bible means destroying your conscience. Just saying "**** the Holy Spirit" doesn't sound like an unforgivable sin. Destroying your conscience so you don't feel bad for anything you do wrong sounds unforgivable to me.

Originally Posted by Aishimisu

I heard something pretty cool one of these days, it was something +/- like this:

Christians deny 1000 gods
Atheists deny 1001 gods

and that's pretty much the truth, you are basically almost the same. lol

Originally Posted by Margar

That's a good point, heheh. Never heard that before!

Lysis: You missed a few.

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

Seriously, what's the ****in' point of eihter sides forcing their views down?

Nobody is forcing their view down
All I can see is non-christians trying to understand why it's disrespectful to post something like that in youtube. Cause if that's disrespectful I think we should shut down christians churches cause they preach that polytheism and atheism is bad.

Originally Posted by Aishimisu

Nobody is forcing their view down
All I can see is non-christians trying to understand why it's disrespectful to post something like that in youtube. Cause if that's disrespectful I think we should shut down christians churches cause they preach that polytheism and atheism is bad.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Don't atheists claim to be the mature ones?

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Lysis: You missed a few.

I didn't make the poster.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Two wrongs don't make a right. Don't atheists claim to be the mature ones?

your point?

hell, I love this kind of discussions lol

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Two wrongs don't make a right. Don't atheists claim to be the mature ones?

no.

at least, not atheists as a whole. They don't make any claims.

I'm sure some atheists claim to be mature, just like some theists claim to be mature, but to say that atheists as a whole or as a group make any specific claims is fallacious.

Originally Posted by Aishimisu

your point?

hell, I love this kind of discussions lol

My point is that antagonising theists unnecessarily doesn't help your cause. It might be fun, but the goal of "reaching out to people who are atheist but feel isolated" can be accomplished WITHOUT alienating the "other side", and surely this should be considered preferable.

nobody is antagonising theists here.
I'm just saying that christians can't say anything against people that post those videos cause they do the same thing everyday in their lives.
it's like, christians aren't wrong when they say other religions are bad in their churches
the same way when atheists deny god they aren't doing anything wrong, I think christians should just respect the atheists and what they belief and what they deny. Youtube is not a Catholic e-church, people can post whatever they want.

*facepalm*
Look, I'm not saying that atheists are doing ANYTHING wrong. They're allowed to say whatever they want, and so they should be. My point is that even though something may be true, it's not necessary to bring it up, and in some cases, bringing it up is just fueling a fire. An atheist going out of his/her way to deny the Holy Spirit is being counter-productive to what they're ultimately trying to accomplish (less friction between atheists and theists, in a world where no-one judges anyone else based on their faith/lack thereof).

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

*facepalm*
Look, I'm not saying that atheists are doing ANYTHING wrong. They're allowed to say whatever they want, and so they should be. My point is that even though something may be true, it's not necessary to bring it up, and in some cases, bringing it up is just fueling a fire. An atheist going out of his/her way to deny the Holy Spirit is being counter-productive to what they're ultimately trying to accomplish (less friction between atheists and theists, in a world where no-one judges anyone else based on their faith/lack thereof).

atheists don't all share a common goal, however. Perhaps the atheists who do post these videos are not trying to accomplish what you think they are. Maybe they do it for fun, or because they enjoy antagonizing Christians.

Originally Posted by Lysis

atheists don't all share a common goal, however. Perhaps the atheists who do post these videos are not trying to accomplish what you think they are. Maybe they do it for fun, or because they enjoy antagonizing Christians.

If that's the case, then they're jerks. You probably don't disagree, but I just thought I'd say it.

I agree. Atheists who go out of their way to antagonize people are being jerks.

now whether or not that is what these specific atheists are doing is another matter. I can't really be sure. I'm sure some of them are doing it for that purpose, while others probably have less sinister motives.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

If that's the case, then they're jerks. You probably don't disagree, but I just thought I'd say it.

I agree. But aren't we all jerks in the internet? lol

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

If that's the case, then they're jerks. You probably don't disagree, but I just thought I'd say it.

I don't really see how this would be antagonizing to Christians. This is a challenge to atheists. An atheist should take roughly this position by default, so if they can't commit to this because they're afraid this might damn them for ever, they can't really be considered atheists, can they? (Though again, the term 'deny' is arguable, since atheism itself is a neutral stance.)

At worst, it's a response to the "no atheists in foxholes" claim.

As an atheist who grew up a devout Christian, I knew both sides, haha. If you are Christian, you think you are doing what Jesus wants by leading others to the "truth" so you try and make people see your side, not because people should believe like you do, but becuase your God wants everyone to follow him.

But, atheists, especially atheists who grew up in Christian communities, are typically looked down on by Christians, and thought to be rebellious, ungrateful punks, and they talk to you like you are an idiot who just doesn't understand what God has to say (even though I grew up a Christian who still knows more about the Bible and their God than even THEY do!!). My dad told me he'd rather hear that I had died in a car wreck than hear that I became an atheist when I told him... And when your Christian friends are forcing themselves on everyone, and acting like they know the only truth, telling you you are going to hell, acting like they are smarter than you (even if you know the person thinking this way is one of the dumbest people you've ever met) you develop some sort of... harsh feelings towards Christians, and feel they need to be proven wrong so they will stop making people feel this way.

But then there are atheists who do it just because they think they are the smartest people on earth and thrive on proving their vast knowledge to others, these are the people I hate...