The Blasphemy Challenge

Originally Posted by Danger

So you're saying I'm going to hell, unless your god decides to show himself. Thank you very much, Margar! I'll see you down there, seems like a rad place to be.

No, I was not saying that.
I am not even a christian.

I was raised christian, but I am now agnostic.

I was just using the christian logic (or less an oxymoron: the christian viewpoint) to make a point.

all the Christians I know would say there's no such thing as an unforgivable sin.

Originally Posted by Margar

No, I was not saying that.
I am not even a christian.

I was raised christian, but I am now agnostic.

I was just using the christian logic (or less an oxymoron: the christian viewpoint) to make a point.

*hits self*
sorry, Margar! D:

Originally Posted by Lysis

all the Christians I know would say there's no such thing as an unforgivable sin.

Being raised Christian (I'm not one though) I've heard different things. Mostly contradictions. "God will forgive you of any sin!", "Unforgivable!", "Any sin, EXCEPT...", "Our God is a God of second chances", etc.

yeah, I was raised Christian too. The particular sect I was raised in believes that there are no unforgivable sins. God will forgive anyone for anything.

they also believe in a lot of silly things, particularly young earth creationism.

If you don't believe in the Christian God, fine. But posting this ritualized "challenge" is unnecessary and is simply an attempt to deliberately antagonize Christians, which I don't approve of.

Originally Posted by Avalanchemike

I've met Buddhists who believe Buddha was a god, and in all the various multi-religious courses I've taken, I've been told that some do and some don't, but it's not something that really matters to them.

A buddha is technically superior to the gods. Those Buddhists are probably people who just say they are Buddhists to sound cool, I mean, ye, there are some ramifications of Buddhism (the one I follow is one of them) that believe buddhas to be very much like the Christian God, omnipresent and omniscient, however we don't say they are gods.
And btw, Shakyamuni (non-buddhists just call him Buddah) said he wasn't a god or anything like that.
And ye, it doesn't really matter what people believe, everybody has their own way of becoming enlightened, be it believe Shakyamuni to be a god or not.

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

If you don't believe in the Christian God, fine. But posting this ritualized "challenge" is unnecessary and is simply an attempt to deliberately antagonize Christians, which I don't approve of.

This.

I probably should put in another post because of the negative backlash I got.
I am not a Christian, but I simply think that others should be respectful of the other religions in the world. I mean, I'm not posting videos online blaspheming Krishna or any other God-like figures. I might not be associated with Buddhism, or agree with Christianity, but I'm not out to antagonize its followers.

Originally Posted by 8bit

I could ask you the same question about The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other god which you deny.

You failed in answering the question or do you not even have a reason for doing so?

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

If you don't believe in the Christian God, fine. But posting this ritualized "challenge" is unnecessary and is simply an attempt to deliberately antagonize Christians, which I don't approve of.

He posted this topic to point it out, not to antagonize anybody. It is precisely for that behavior I find Christians so unattractive.

And if you damn me to hell for not believing in God (I know you are), how does that make you any better?

Point of the matter is.

Originally Posted by Lysis

all the Christians I know would say there's no such thing as an unforgivable sin.

If you acknowledge God's existence this is very much true. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong. But this sin in this challenge is to deny the existence of God or his power or something. Now as long as you continue with this, its can't be forgiven. However if you later acknowledge his existence and power, then it's another sin that can be forgiven...


But I may have misunderstood something *shrugs*

Though I was under the impression that through Jesus's death, all of our sins are forgiven if you accept him.

Just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Unit7

But I may have misunderstood something *shrugs*

Though I was under the impression that through Jesus's death, all of our sins are forgiven if you accept him.

Just my thoughts.

Your thoughts are not misunderstood.

sure, but the video is suggesting that if you deny the existence of the Holy Spirit then you can never be redeemed, even if for some reason you later changed your mind.

of course, it cites the Bible on this matter, so it's just another way in which Christian doctrine is inconsistent and doesn't always line up with its own text.

Originally Posted by LightHawk

You failed in answering the question or do you not even have a reason for doing so?

You failed too in answering the question. He has the same reason in not believing in your god as you have not believing in Shiva, Thor, or Zeus.

Originally Posted by Homosexual

He posted this topic to point it out, not to antagonize anybody.

I'm not criticizing the poster, I'm criticizing the people posting the challenge videos.

It is precisely for that behavior I find Christians so unattractive.

What behavior?

And if you damn me to hell for not believing in God (I know you are), how does that make you any better?

I'm agnostic, I don't damn people to hell. While I don't believe in a religion, I still think those who do should be respected like any other person.

I heard something pretty cool one of these days, it was something +/- like this:

Christians deny 1000 gods
Atheists deny 1001 gods

and that's pretty much the truth, you are basically almost the same. lol

Originally Posted by Aishimisu

I heard something pretty cool one of these days, it was something +/- like this:

Christians deny 1000 gods
Atheists deny 1001 gods

and that's pretty much the truth, you are basically almost the same. lol

That's a good point, heheh. Never heard that before!

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

I'm not criticizing the poster, I'm criticizing the people posting the challenge videos.

Ah, I see.

What behavior?

None now, I had assumed you were Christian, sorry.

I'm agnostic, I don't damn people to hell. While I don't believe in a religion, I still think those who do should be respected like any other person.

I get what you're saying, but I still think that they should post these videos if they want. It's not like they went and sent the videos to churches. Anyone who doesn't want to look at it doesn't have to.

And most Christians don't respect people of other religions, agnostics (like you and I), or atheists. Sure, they're not blatantly denying anything, but they push. They've pushed me, several times, even when I still identified as Christian. I think that's much worse than posting videos of denying "God," especially when Christians have a choice of looking at the video or not.

Originally Posted by Aishimisu

Christians deny 1000 gods
Atheists deny 1001 gods

This.

There is no such thing as an "unforgivable sin".

This reminds me a bit of Pascal's Wager. I'm pretty sure it's about how you've got nothing to lose, and everything to gain by being religious.

(As in, if you're wrong, and there is no god, you die, and that's that, but if you're right, you get to heaven)

If there is a god, do you think he/she/it would.. "accept" people who were theists purely for personal gain? D:

"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." - Richard Dawkins

I agree with that. I don't believe in any god, supreme being/diety or mysical force, for many reasons.

This video/challenge is just a form of how people think about it. I don't think I'd do that, it's just not my sort of thing. If there is a god, I certainly hope he wouldn't be so vain to truly judge someone on what they were thinking based on the information given.

Originally Posted by -Link-182-

Even if you don't believe in a particular religion, I think that one should at least respect it, even if its followers gets a bad rap for being maniacal. I don't practice Buddhism, Hinduism, etc, etc, but I at least respect the religions and its followers.

Why should I respect any religion? When THEY say they are sure that a god does it's equally disrespectful to me as it would be disrespectful to them for myself to declare that there I am sure that there is no god.

I'll deny this "holy spirit" because I don't think it's real, just as I imagine YOU aren't praying to Zeus every morning. :3

To the original point of this topic, I don't HAVE to disprove the existence of any god. If you're trying to convince me I'm really a dragon, it should be your job to convince me.

The distinction of Atheist and Agnostic is silly, imo. If you want to be really particular, no atheist really can say they're 100% sure god exists, but then again, they can't really say that THEY actually exist either. The real question is, do you THINK there is a god, not IS there a god. :3

{I realize that some of my points have been posted before on this topic, but I hadn't read them at the time of writing this}