Where does the universe come from?

Thank you Flames and Lysis for Twisting my words to suit your position on the argument. I'm done speaking on the topic, because I DESPISE people who twist words. You would both make very good politicians, you have a knack for twisting the truth. You haven't won I still believe God is good, that He knows everything, and that He will ALWAYS, be the embodiment of everything that is good in the world. You can both burn in Hell for eternity because the Bible , God's written word, says that's what happens to people like you.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Thank you Flames and Lysis for Twisting my words to suit your position on the argument. I'm done speaking on the topic, because I DESPISE people who twist words. You would both make very good politicians, you have a knack for twisting the truth. You haven't won I still believe God is good, that He knows everything, and that He will ALWAYS, be the embodiment of everything that is good in the world. You can both burn in Hell for eternity because the Bible , God's written word, says that's what happens to people like you.

You know, I figured it'd be easy to show you what you said instead of claiming what you said, only to have to quote it in the post after you denied it. So that was for conveniences sake. I didn't twist your words, I just showed where you contradicted yourself, I didn't manipulate the sentences or posts in any way. Please clarify for me if you think I did a bad job. But all of those quotes are from your posts.

I'm not trying to WIN. I'm trying to show you why what you are saying is illogical and contradictory. Is that so hard to accept or to appreciate?

Hey Lysis, see you in hell?

Warrior of the Nine, did you read that long post Lysis made? I really can't tell.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Tell me where did Katrina do the most damage? New Orleans. Where they held Mardi Gras. It was a celebration that goes againts Biblical priciples.

what about Mardi Gras is against Biblical principals?

He is a Good and Loving God, but he will punish those who wrong him.

he is a good and loving God, but he won't hesitate to cause brutal devastation to those who celebrate harmless festivals he happens to disapprove of.

I think you misunderstand the definitions of "good" and "loving." They don't involve any destruction or murder.

I will NEVER blame God for anything that is wrong in my life, everything has a purpose, Katrina brought the country together in a outpouring of help for those that were affected.

too bad about all those people who died then.

and all the people who lost everything they owned.

and all the people who lost their families.

yeah too bad about them. Apparently God doesn't love them as much as he loves everyone else. Even an omnipotent God can't avoid a little collateral damage.

God punished New Orleans, as He punished Soddom and Gomorra the corrupt cities from the Old Testament.

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely appalling.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Thank you Flames and Lysis for Twisting my words to suit your position on the argument.

wait, what?

I'm done speaking on the topic, because I DESPISE people who twist words.

you're the only one twisting anything!

You would both make very good politicians, you have a knack for twisting the truth.

seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I did no such thing!

You haven't won I still believe God is good, that He knows everything, and that He will ALWAYS, be the embodiment of everything that is good in the world.

"DONT THINK IM GIVING UP BECAUSE I LOST! BECAUSE I CAN NEVER LOSE! I HAVE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH ON MY SIDE AND NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE CAN CHANGE THAT! JUST BECAUSE I CANT THINK OF ANY COUNTER ARGUMENTS TO YOUR LIES DOESNT MEAN YOUR RIGHT! AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR WRONG SINCE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME!"

*spout insult after insult and then storm out of the thread*

You can both burn in Hell for eternity because the Bible, God's written word, says that's what happens to people like you.

it's nice to see that the followers of a Good and Loving god are just as Good and Loving as the god they follow.

which is apparently not at all. What did I do to deserve such hate? You wound me deeply.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Hey Lysis, see you in hell?

I guess so!

we can throw a party when we get there. You should totally join us, Sabbo.

Originally Posted by Sabbo

Warrior of the Nine, did you read that long post Lysis made? I really can't tell.

sometimes I wonder why I even write such long posts. No one ever reads them. :'(

It's like when you have a bag with a pocket of air in it so you push down on the pocket and it just moves to another part of the bag, and you do that over and over, in a circle, when you finally realize that the bag doesn't even have enough critical reasoning skills to realize that it's moving in a circle.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

You haven't won I still believe God is good, that He knows everything, and that He will ALWAYS, be the embodiment of everything that is good in the world.

You don't know FoV very well if you think he tries to win arguments.

Originally Posted by Lysis

what about Mardi Gras is against Biblical principals?

Lots of black people and college students.

have you ever been playing a video game with someone who wasn't as good at the game as you? You play for a half hour or so and just when it's getting fun the other player gets angry at you, throws the controller on the ground, curses a couple of times, and then storms out of the room. This thread is basically that only the video game is called "Serious Business."

it's really no fun. I don't know why I waste my time and effort on these people who don't understand the first thing about debating.

Did no one look at or get my joke on page two? (post 40 I think, I get the first and last posts a lot.)

You don't know FoV very well if you think he tries to win arguments.

8bit: One of the few people who understands.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Did no one look at or get my joke on page two? (post 40 I think, I get the first and last posts a lot.)



8bit: One of the few people who understands.

post 39, but no, I didn't get it.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Did no one look at or get my joke on page two? (post 40 I think, I get the first and last posts a lot.)

Falwell?

Originally Posted by 8bit

Falwell?

Yes. A cookie just for you 8bit.



So does anyone find any legitimacy in the idea that advanced Aliens created or put the first life on our planet? I have heard this idea tossed around before, I don't really know what to think of it. But, wouldn't it be 'intelligent design' too?

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Yes. A cookie just for you 8bit.

*swipes*

So does anyone find any legitimacy in the idea that advanced Aliens created or put the first life on our planet? I have heard this idea tossed around before, I don't really know what to think of it. But, wouldn't it be 'intelligent design' too?

no I do not.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

You can both burn in Hell for eternity because the Bible , God's written word, says that's what happens to people like you.

So you're saying God is love, but He burns people alive for questioning the origin of the universe?

I'm agnostic. I think the world may have been created by God, but I also realize that, since no living person has ever seen Him, His existence can't be proven one way or another.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Man fell due to the influences of Satan. The universe is flawed because we either do not understand it, or Satan's influence had corrupted it. I do give science it's credit, but I believe that credit also belongs to God.

An all loving, omnipotent being could create a paradise for an infinite amount of life forms to live happily forever. It is far beyond our own comprehension.

Stop wasting your life by worrying about your death.

You won't give a crap about dying when you are dead.

Originally Posted by Lysis

an infinite amount of time since an infinite amount of time ago. :/

Even if that's grammatically sensible (which I'd dispute: how do you fine "an infinite amount of time ago" without either limiting infinity or hopelessly needing to define "a moment prior to an infinite amount of time ago"), its a tautology: farthest thing in the world from a contradiction.

Originally Posted by mmmmm_PIE

Even if that's grammatically sensible (which I'd dispute: how do you fine "an infinite amount of time ago" without either limiting infinity or hopelessly needing to define "a moment prior to an infinite amount of time ago"), its a tautology: farthest thing in the world from a contradiction.

THATS_THE_JOKE.jpg

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

The Big Bang Theroy is just that a theory.

Exactly, it's just a theory. However, the definition of theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world".

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

My belief is that God created the universe. I am not the one to say as to how this was done, but God is all Powerful, all Knowing, and Omipresent. He created the universe in his infinite wisdom. Many people believe that coming up with a "scientific" explanation, explains away God. Whose to say God didn't use the method they found for how something was done, or for how the uiverse operates. I like to believe that God created the universe. I would love to know the "Scientific" explanations as well, but I will always believe that things work the way they do because God made them that way.

Jesus Shades.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Man fell due to the influences of Satan. The universe is flawed because we either do not understand it, or Satan's influence had corrupted it. I do give science it's credit, but I believe that credit also belongs to God.

Where in the bible is this supported or explained?

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

God cursed the land because of it

How loving and compassionate of him

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Satan tempts man to sin every day. He wants us to suffer.

Prove it

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

You're not listening.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

*sigh* You still aren't listening.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Again you fail to listen.

Don't take offense from the fact that I'm amusing myself on your expense.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

As I said we as humans are incapable of doing so. God gave Satan the chance to do what was right. It's not as though Satan rebelled immediately after being created.

You said God is omnipotent. Therefore, time should not matter. Therefore, God knew Satan would not use his second chance. Or are you saying God wouldn't be able to know? Cool.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

And God didn't stop it because He knew Satan had the possibility for good. God is Omnicient that's why he knew Satan had the possibility for good.

Then he would also know he would go against him, unless you wish to call your God mentally insane (repeating something expecting different results is the first step to insanity)

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

Tell me where did Katrina do the most damage? New Orleans. Where they held Mardi Gras. It was a celebration that goes againts Biblical priciples.

How loving of God to kill his creations.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

as He punished Soddom and Gomorra the corrupt cities from the Old Testament.

Hold on here, you're treading hot ground. Trust me, you don't want to go there...

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

You can both burn in Hell for eternity because the Bible , God's written word, says that's what happens to people like you.

I can say with over 9000% honesty that a God would rather put you in hell for condemning other people, than someone keeping a friendly tone while debating.
Oh well, one fundie down. Honestly, debating with people like this girl right here is like pushing stranded whales back in the ocean. I can't believe people like this are over 18.

Originally Posted by Warrior of the Nine

*sigh* You still aren't listening. God gave Satan a second chance, like he has give us all a second chance. I say black holes have their purose and let faith pickup there science leaves off because science isn't there yet. I do not believe evil is God's fault because like him I believe in second chances. Satan tried to put himself above God and has been punished for it. Satan was trapped in hell, the fallen angels that followed Sata were not. Satan uses them to pollute the earth, and influece man to do wrong. God is inherently good, to say he is root of evil is just wrong. Yes he created Satan, he was giving him the chance to do the right thing even though he knew there was a chance for him to do the wrong thing. He gave one of his worst enemies a second chance, something we as humans seem incapable of doing.

This shows your general lack of knowledge about judeo-christian lore. There is a reason Satan is called the accuser. It is his job to tempt man and test his faith in God and then argue why that man should be damned when he gives in to that temptation. We see this occur in the book of Job, where Satan even appears in the court of God. Now tell me, why would God allow his worst enemy to appear in his court? Perhaps this is because is not actually evil, but a neutral figure who is only doing as God commands. The problem with modern Christianity is that we have to have something to blame for our own shortcomings and it just so happens that Satan fits the bill. It's a bit funny how we atheists and agnostics know more about your own religion than you do.

oh, and I hate to break it to you, but Mardi Gras is a Christian festivity sanctioned by the Catholic Church and meant to celebrate the beginning of Lent. it's known as carnival over in Europe and has been taking place for centuries.

I think that the big bang theory *might* be possible. I am Christian, but not against the idea of evolution. As my old pastor used to say "If there was a Big Bang, then who lit the fuse?" God could have decided to let the world evolve, or to make it gradually. However, it does speak in the Bible of how the world was made in seven days. I like to think, in the far convoluted reaches of my logic, that maybe it did happen gradually.

Originally Posted by Kel-bel Heroine

I think that the big bang theory *might* be possible. I am Christian, but not against the idea of evolution. As my old pastor used to say "If there was a Big Bang, then who lit the fuse?" God could have decided to let the world evolve, or to make it gradually. However, it does speak in the Bible of how the world was made in seven days. I like to think, in the far convoluted reaches of my logic, that maybe it did happen gradually.

You sound like a deist to me.